Speculation: 2014 Trade Deadline Discussion - Part IX - The Buffalo Syndrome

[mpp9]

Wait, are you saying this as a positive?

The question was do you believe DB would get Kesler in the top 6. I do. He moved Geno to wing to get Staal up there. That's not a positive, just a fact.

Kesler can play wing. And with the minutes he plays, he'll get his shifts there.

 

[TheSniper26]

I'm ok with going after Kesler but not if it means trading our 3C because that pretty much ensures that Kesler will be taking that spot. I'll take an adequate, if underwhelming, 3C(Sutter) and an improved top 6 over a slightly improved 3rd line and garbage on Crosby's wing. The 3 center model only works if the entire 3rd line is solid and that wouldn't be the case by simply getting Kesler. And, given the price, getting Kesler looks like it would be the only real impact move we'd be able to make.

Obviously the ideal situation is to have quality depth through all 4 lines but that's not happening this year. Not even close. So, given the choice, I'd rather load up our guns(Sid/Geno) and hope for the best.

 

[PensPlz]

Orpik isn't going anywhere because no one wants him.

 

[MrBurghundy]

Orpik isn't going anywhere because no one wants him.

Well somebody does...

 

[JTG]

So if we move Jokinen to 3C, who plays 2LW?

And if we trade Sutter, 1st, 3rd, Despres, what's left to get another forward?

We have absolutely no idea what deal is on the table, so I'll reserve hurling myself off a bridge until something actually happens. We also have no idea what NHL pieces Shero may consider moving. That could help the cause tremendously.

Megna and Bennett will be back on the big squad. Are they unproven? Yes, but they have done fine in their short time in the pro's. Bringing in a defensive specialist 3rd line center could be done for cheap. We got Jokinen for nothing and were able to get them to retain salary.

 

[Michael8771*]

In a deep draft class for a rental? Great idea. Pretty easily outbid too.

It is a deep draft therefore a third or fourth next year should be enough. I don't see teams falling all over themselves to get a guy like Goc anyhow. And if he can't be had, there are others who could. Relative to who we would have if Sutter leaves, it shouldn't be that difficult to upgrade our third line. Unfortunately it may cost us a mid round pick, but under the circumstances it could be a lot worse.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I don't think the costs for Stewart would be that much different. Buffalo isn't just going to ship him off for a draft pick. I'd MUCH rather have Kesler on this team that Stewart, even if he cost us an extra pick and prosect. He is so much better and more reliable than Stewart it's not funny.

I'd be OK with trading for Stewart too (in general) as he'd improve our 3rd line's offensive capabilities and probably get a few shifts with Sid too, but if it's one or the other you pay more for Kesler 10 times out of 10 unless the price involves someone like Maatta or Kunitz (which just creates another hole).

Stewart wouldn't be a 3rd liner, he would be a 30 goal scorer every year playing with Sid. And he would cost us much much less than Kesler. Less than half of the cost. I bet a 1st does it. Maybe a 1st and a middle tier prospect.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Dude, Bylsma is our coach for one, and we are trading our 3rd line center away for two. How can you not think he's not going to be exactly what Staal was?

Because trading for Ryan Kesler does not mean we won't be trading for someone else too (maybe a different team -- Gagner for instance).

 

[Jag68Sid87]

This place is crazy and the group think machine is out of control.

"He's a 3rd line center!!!11!!!"

He's actually a top 6 forward who plays wing and center along with an accomplished PP and PK guy. But we'll just call him a 3rd line center for arguments sake. He would play throughout the lineup.

He's ACTUALLY a No. 2 center who only wants to play center in a top-six role. There is speculation that he wants to be No. 1 somewhere, that he doesn't like playing second-fiddle behind Henrik Sedin.

So naturally, our braintrust believes he'll be positively giddy playing behind both Sidney Crosby AND Evgeni Malkin.

This makes NO sense, and has complete disaster written all over it. It seems they learned NOTHING from last spring...when we had too many unhappy players not playing the right roles, too many bodies, too many egos.

Kesler has one of the biggest in the NHL, so sure let's bring him here so he can play third-wheel! Brilliant!

 

[Waffle Fries]

The question was do you believe DB would get Kesler in the top 6. I do. He moved Geno to wing to get Staal up there. That's not a positive, just a fact.

Kesler can play wing. And with the minutes he plays, he'll get his shifts there.

And when he's not getting those shifts there who plays with Crosby? Brian Gibbons? Yeah, this sounds like an awesome idea

Because trading for Ryan Kesler does not mean we won't be trading for someone else too (maybe a different team -- Gagner for instance).

Considering there is a salary cap people like forgetting about, yeah it probably does. Also, Gagner's contract is horrible and shouldn't even be thought about.

 

[MrBurghundy]

We have absolutely no idea what deal is on the table, so I'll reserve hurling myself off a bridge until something actually happens. We also have no idea what NHL pieces Shero may consider moving. That could help the cause tremendously.

Megna and Bennett will be back on the big squad. Are they unproven? Yes, but they have done fine in their short time in the pro's. Bringing in a defensive specialist 3rd line center could be done for cheap. We got Jokinen for nothing and were able to get them to retain salary.

But why isn't Megna back now? If they wanted him back, he'd be here.

 

[ozpensfan]

I be calling Buffalo and asking the price for zenon konopka and marcus foligno. least that would booster a small part of the 4th and 3rd line.

Screw i cant believe whats left of this team. We have more holes then the titanic in our bottom 6. Shero's only answer at the deadline is to dump a 1st round pick and a prospect for whatever rental is available at the deadline.

Are the Shero believers going to praise his glory for the 1 decent trade he made in the Neal and Niskanen trade yet turn a blind eye to every other misjudgement he makes?

the Staal trade is starting to look like a waste because even if Pouliot does get a call up he will be a healthy scratch for his life like Depres because wonder coach DB has his favourites....

meh its time to put the beer down....

 

[Ogrezilla]

Because trading for Ryan Kesler does not mean we won't be trading for someone else too (maybe a different team -- Gagner for instance).

so we are just going to trade all of our assets?

 

[Ogrezilla]

But why isn't Megna back now? If they wanted him back, he'd be here.

Megna will never play as long as Kobasew, Glass, Adams and Pyatt are all healthy.

 

[JTG]

Dude, Bylsma is our coach for one, and we are trading our 3rd line center away for two. How can you not think he's not going to be exactly what Staal was? When he's moved up to the top 6 that just makes our bottom 6 a whole lot worse too. That's not group think, that's what will happen because that's what always happens.

My point is, whether he plays 3rd line center or not, he's not going to be playing there all the time. Kesler is a 20 min a game player...he will see shifts on both special teams and in the top 6. Saying he'll be the 3rd line center and that's that is stupid.

And to be very honest, this team would benefit DRASTICALLY having a guy like Kesler in the bottom 6 because our bottom 6 is the very worst in the league. Billybud had an awesome graphic that showed even with Dupuis in our top 6, our top 6 produced as much as any other Cup contenders. The difference laid in the bottom 6. Ours was drastically less productive.

Is Kesler the right player? Maybe not. Does he make this team better right now? Without a single question. If you have the opportunity to gain a player like him, you do it, and sort things out later. Good thing is, he still has 2 years left on his deal.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The question was do you believe DB would get Kesler in the top 6. I do. He moved Geno to wing to get Staal up there. That's not a positive, just a fact.

Kesler can play wing. And with the minutes he plays, he'll get his shifts there.

He DOES NOT WANT to play wing. I believe those reports. Just like I believed Pierre McGuire when he kept insisting that both Zach Parise and Ryan Suter wanted to play together in Minnesota. The Penguins seem to ignore all the logicial information that's out there.

What next? Plan A this July 1 is Thomas Vanek (who is also Minnesota-bound)?

We're becoming a comedy act.

 

[Crosberry87]

Maybe we are going for Kes to play 2C and planning to trade Geno

 

[MrBurghundy]

Because trading for Ryan Kesler does not mean we won't be trading for someone else too (maybe a different team -- Gagner for instance).

I get that, but making trades isn't a science. Its ****ing hard. What happens if we only get Kesler because we used up most of our valuable assets and all other options are too expensive? Why not just go after what you actually need with one trade which forces players down the lineup allowing you to improve the 3rd line from within? That's infinitely easier and you already know what you're getting with the guys already on your team.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

When Jesse Winchester becomes a THIRD-line upgrade, you know you've sunk to new depths of suckitude. I'm not saying he wouldn't actually upgrade the third line. I'm saying we're not winning jack this season.

He's the kind of guy you win with and it's a lot better than having Glass, Kobasew, Pyatt and whomever else has been there. I honestly can't keep track.

They simply need a guy who is defensively responsible and pushes the play the other way, and that's what Winchester does. He's a bigger version of Vitale that won't break the bank to acquire.

That's exactly the kind of deal Shero needs to be looking at this season.

 

[mpp9]

so we are just going to trade all of our assets?

Apparently trading for Kesler makes all the cheap deals talked about on here go away. Jig mentioned Winchester. Goc is also a possiblility who can shift between wing and center. Hemsky. Stempniak. Any number of decent top 9 guys who can be had for pieces this team wouldnt' miss.

 

[Waffle Fries]

I be calling Buffalo and asking the price for zenon konopka and marcus foligno. least that would booster a small part of the 4th and 3rd line.

Screw i cant believe whats left of this team. We have more holes then the titanic in our bottom 6. Shero's only answer at the deadline is to dump a 1st round pick and a prospect for whatever rental is available at the deadline.

Are the Shero believers going to praise his glory for the 1 decent trade he made in the Neal and Niskanen trade yet turn a blind eye to every other misjudgement he makes?

the Staal trade is starting to look like a waste because even if Pouliot does get a call up he will be a healthy scratch for his life like Depres because wonder coach DB has his favourites....

meh its time to put the beer down....

How would that be any different than those who don't like Shero diminishing the many good trades he has made like you just did?

 

[Michael8771*]

so we are just going to trade all of our assets?

So waiting for some of these picks/prospects to POSSIBLY pan out in subsequent years thus wasting Sid and Geno's prime is a good tactic? We need to have a sense of urgency here, particularly for the next three or four years.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Apparently trading for Kesler makes all the cheap deals talked about on here go away. Jig mentioned Winchester. Goc is also a possiblility who can shift between wing and center. Hemsky. Stempniak. Any number of decent top 9 guys who can be had for pieces this team wouldnt' miss.

Did you read the post I quoted?

 

[Michael8771*]

Apparently trading for Kesler makes all the cheap deals talked about on here go away. Jig mentioned Winchester. Goc is also a possiblility who can shift between wing and center. Hemsky. Stempniak. Any number of decent top 9 guys who can be had for pieces this team wouldnt' miss.

Exactly right!

 

[Penguinzilla*]

Maybe we are going for Kes to play 2C and planning to trade Geno

Sutter/Geno for Sedin's/Kesler