Speculation: 2014 Trade Deadline Discussion - Part IX - The Buffalo Syndrome

[mpp9]

Ah... the ever-reliable patented Rob Rossi "multiple sources."

And if that's truly the kind of offer they are tabling... I hope you guys are right about Kesler's near-superhuman ability. Because that's quite a lot... especially in context of what the Penguins have to offer.

It really isn't. How is that much different than what we got for Staal as a pending UFA.

Kesler is a better player. We can all go nuts about the 3C model, but he's going to allow us to stack the top 6 as well. Neal/Sid/Geno more. Kunitz/Sid/Kesler. And have a dangerous player on the ice when Sid/Geno aren't.

We definitely would need another winger in that deal or a separate one, but we're still a better team after that trade. And for the next 2 seasons after.

 

[ozpensfan]

You could say that, yes.

The whole thing seems like a giant, unsubstantiated load of rumor-mongering, one way or the other. And I hope that's the way it stays.

but they sound so professional on the pens radio app....

i dont want anything to do with broken down Kesler... let alone his asking price..

 

[On Vinyl]

this is just on TSN....

The Pittsburgh Penguins are reportedly ponying up in their efforts to lure Ryan Kesler out of Vancouver.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported a proposed deal between the Pens and Canucks that he credited to multiple sources.

“A proposed deal would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks — likely a first- and third-round — and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin,†Rossi wrote on Saturday.

Rossi continued to say that it is possible the deal could involve another player going in either direction, but that Penguins' GM Ray Shero was only looking to acquire Kesler.

if this trade goes ahead im going to puke........

You have to consider their source.

 

[mpp9]

Sutter and despres? I love how Simon is a ****ing throw in now because of bylsmas hatred of him. He has the ability to be a top 4 d and he completely shot his trade value...

I really don't want to lose him AND sutter for one guy...god I hate bylsma so much

Was the 8th overall a throw in for Staal?

You're going to need a very good piece in addition to Sutter to land an elite player like Kesler.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

If you downgrade Despres/Dumoulin in the rumored trade to something like Ruopp/Samuelsson I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Alternatively keep Despres/Dumoulin in but add Orpik and Hansen/Kassian or even Higgins.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It really isn't. How is that much different than what we got for Staal as a pending UFA.

Kesler is a better player. We can all go nuts about the 3C model, but he's going to allow us to stack the top 6 as well. Neal/Sid/Geno more. Kunitz/Sid/Kesler. And have a dangerous player on the ice when Sid/Geno aren't.

We definitely would need another winger in that deal or a separate one, but we're still a better team after that trade. And for the next 2 seasons after.

This is going to sound cranky of me... but who cares about Staal? Really? Are we ever going to move on from that guy and the concept of how a winning roster can be put together revolving around the third line?

And yes... in the context of the current team's situation that is quite a lot to give up.

 

[LetangInTheSO]

Being from Australia im going to assume Rob Rossi isnt exactly reliable?

He's ignorant, he's stupid, he's arrogant, he's sensationalist, and he's downright unprofessional. The only thing more infuriating than his incompetence is the fact that national (and Canadian) news media lend him credibility.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If you downgrade Despres/Dumoulin in the rumored trade to something like Ruopp/Samuelsson I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Alternatively keep Despres/Dumoulin in but add Orpik and Hansen/Kassian or even Higgins.

Eh... that would be a little better, yeah. At least they get to keep two of their most NHL-ready defensemen which I truly hope they'll be needing, soon. Vancouver wouldn't do it, though. I don't believe much about this whole situation... but I do believe the Nucks asking price will be high if they move him.

Still... my opinion is that this team has some making up to do in the draft. Really don't want to give up that first unless something more long-term makes itself available. Which is doubtful.

 

[mpp9]

This is going to sound cranky of me... but who cares about Staal? Really? Are we ever going to move on from that guy and the concept of how a winning roster can be put together revolving around the third line?

And yes... in the context of the current team's situation that is quite a lot to give up.

I'd rather move DP than Despres. But seeing as how the latter is probably never going to get a fair shake under this coach, and DP is our top overall prospect, I'd be willing to max his value out now in a trade for a longterm forward. Especially if the coaching staff and Shero are on the same page about getting DP into the NHL sooner than later.

In terms of pure value, that deal is very fair. Change the individual D-man we're dealing then if that bothers you.

 

[mpp9]

If you downgrade Despres/Dumoulin in the rumored trade to something like Ruopp/Samuelsson I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Alternatively keep Despres/Dumoulin in but add Orpik and Hansen/Kassian or even Higgins.

That's not going to get you Kesler though. Fair value is the Staal/Richards type trades. NHL roster player. Top prospect/high pick. And build from there.

Samuelsson is not a guy who's a secondary piece in a deal for an elite player.

 

[ozpensfan]

i don't think we need Kesler. I'm starting to to think we need a new GM and coach. our Bottom 6 is so weak right now its beyond belief. We are 2 third liners away from being able to remotely compete.. this might sound negative but we give Letang 7 million a year but we let Brendon Morrow walk and he signs for 1.5 million? and dont get me started on Mason Raymond....

 

[nhindian]

this is just on TSN....

The Pittsburgh Penguins are reportedly ponying up in their efforts to lure Ryan Kesler out of Vancouver.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported a proposed deal between the Pens and Canucks that he credited to multiple sources.

“A proposed deal would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks — likely a first- and third-round — and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin,†Rossi wrote on Saturday.

Rossi continued to say that it is possible the deal could involve another player going in either direction, but that Penguins' GM Ray Shero was only looking to acquire Kesler.

if this trade goes ahead im going to puke........

I'd rather trade Sutter+Despres+1st and possible 3rd than Sutter+DP+1st.

 

[Michael8771*]

If it cost Sutter, Dumoulin, a first and a third then sign me up! Anyone who thinks that potential trade guts the teams future is out to lunch. That being the case I doubt the Canucks do it. If we retain DP, Bennett, Harrington and possibly Despres, we're getting off easy. Besides, we won't be picking till late in the first round anyhow in what is considered to be a very weak draft. This scenario hardly guts our prospect pool. And if it cost Despres instead (though I like him) so be it! Kesler is a proven commodity and the type of guy that could really catapult us forward, particularly when you couple that with Martin's return in about a month. You make this deal EVERY day of the week and twice on Sunday. Kesler would be under my control for three successive playoff runs. But again, I don't know if the Canucks would be willing to do it.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Eh... that would be a little better, yeah. At least they get to keep two of their most NHL-ready defensemen which I truly hope they'll be needing, soon. Vancouver wouldn't do it, though. I don'r believe much about this whole situation... but I do believe the Nucks asking price will be high if they move him.

Still... my opinion is that this team has some making up to do in the draft. Really don't want to give up that first unless something more long-term makes itself available. Which is doubtful.

I can see Orpik appealing to Vancouver. They don't seem to have a strong group of defensive prospects or a particularly strong group to draw from for a bottom pairing. If he re-signs they've got a nice veteran piece to sell their fans on this being part of a retooling rather than the beginning of a rebuilding phase.

I agree regarding drafting, although I'd be comfortable giving up that pick for a player of Kesler's caliber, especially if he can be retained or moved for good value when he's a UFA in 2016.

 

[IcedCapp]

People are knocking a Kesler trade on the basis that he'd be a 3C here. He's playing wing right now, and from what Vancouver fans say, he's doing pretty decent.

I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't take the concerns we all have an put them in concrete, because we don't know how he would be used. I like a deal involving him because we can use him absolutely anywhere, and if/when we get a seasoned coach who knows what they **** they are doing and can line match, Kesler is an x-factor that can rival any x-factor. We play Boston, spread out our lines. Match Kesler v. Bergeron at home. Away they will try to match Sid. Water down Sid's line, load up Kesler's line.

Or just take Kesler and put him on Sid's wing. That line would be an absolute load to handle.

So you believe the Penguins would trade their 3C for Kesler and not use Kesler at 3C?

 

[gordie]

this is just on TSN....

The Pittsburgh Penguins are reportedly ponying up in their efforts to lure Ryan Kesler out of Vancouver.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported a proposed deal between the Pens and Canucks that he credited to multiple sources.

“A proposed deal would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks — likely a first- and third-round — and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin,” Rossi wrote on Saturday.

Rossi continued to say that it is possible the deal could involve another player going in either direction, but that Penguins' GM Ray Shero was only looking to acquire Kesler.

if this trade goes ahead im going to puke........

Too much for Kesler and that looks like Shero is just getting desperate to not have to fire his coach at the end of the season. Kesler won't save Bylsma's job nor will anything else.

 

[Michael8771*]

The Pens are looking at possibly getting Goc as a short term fix for 3c (if we get Kesler).

 

[mpp9]

So you believe the Penguins would trade their 3C for Kesler and not use Kesler at 3C?

He leads the league in TOI for forwards. Do you believe he'd play all those minutes on the third line?

 

[SidDidNothingWrong]

If you downgrade Despres/Dumoulin in the rumored trade to something like Ruopp/Samuelsson I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Alternatively keep Despres/Dumoulin in but add Orpik and Hansen/Kassian or even Higgins.

I woke up this morning and was thinking the same thing. Just centering Kesler between Glass and Adams isn't going to do anything. We need at least one other winger.

 

[Ogrezilla]

The Pens are looking at possibly getting Goc as a short term fix for 3c (if we get Kesler).

are they or is that speculation? I'd be much happier with a Kesler trade if we also got a new 3C.

 

[Waffle Fries]

I woke up this morning and was thinking the same thing. Just centering Kesler between Glass and Adams isn't going to do anything. We need at least one other winger.

Using Kesler at center in general isn't going to do anything.

 

[Cardboard Orpik]

He leads the league in TOI for forwards. Do you believe he'd play all those minutes on the third line?

He leads the league because he's a two-way guy who plays shutdown minutes and is on the PP and PK. He'd be used exactly like Staal was here.

 

[Captain Hook]

I don't have a good feeling about our proposals being leaked. It probably isn't even true since it's coming from Rossi but either way I don't think it's good for the Pens that the proposals are being leaked to the media. I think Jiggy may have been onto something saying that the leakage is probably coming from the Vancouver side and Rossi is just the dumbass in the media that they're using to drive the price up on other teams.

 

[Crosberry87]

He leads the league because he's a two-way guy who plays shutdown minutes and is on the PP and PK. He'd be used exactly like Staal was here.

Except Staal had two decent wingers to play with.

 

[Fire Shero*]

i don't think we need Kesler. I'm starting to to think we need a new GM and coach. our Bottom 6 is so weak right now its beyond belief. We are 2 third liners away from being able to remotely compete.. this might sound negative but we give Letang 7 million a year but we let Brendon Morrow walk and he signs for 1.5 million? and dont get me started on Mason Raymond....

But but but hindsight is 20/20!

I'm glad some of you are coming around to realize that Shero and DB need to go.