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Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

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Lundsanity30 said:
The problem with trading for any winger is we just have so many already.. Nash, MSL, Kreider, Zucc, Hagelin, Pouilot if he comes back.. any assets we have to trade is better off upgrading the center position.
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Absolutely agree.

Where would you rank our center ice in regards to the rest of the league at the moment?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
thought I heard he wanted a NTC on top of that?
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From what I remember, the sticking point was the NTC, not the money/years for Callahan.

Of course, all we've heard are rumors--don't think anyone whispers the truth in these situations to outsiders.

Yep--Sather said it:

This situation, the no-trade was the one thing that really bothered me in the end. If you look at what’s going on today with some of the other players we’ve talked about, you give too much away when you give that no-trade contract up, it really ties your hands.
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http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/...ther_and_vigneault_on_st._louis_for_callahan/

Glad Ryan has found a new home.
 
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The Rangers and Callahan never finalized the money. The Rangers didn't want to go over $6M and Callahan was at $6.5M. Then Callahan went to $6.3M and the Rangers didn't move from their number. Callahan wanted a restriction clause. By that point,the Rangers had grown weary of the whole topic and traded Callahan. The Rangers had already gone up from 5 years to 6 years.

Its a $400,000 annual difference between playing in NY and Florida.

Maybe Callahan got 7 years from TB for $5.5M per plus a no trade/no movement clause.

Bartlett can say the money between what the Rangers offered and what TB gave is basically the same. Callahan got an extra year plus the restriction clause.
 
#TBLightning has initiated the compliance buyout process for veteran Ryan Malone, the Times has learned. Will save a $4.5 million cap hit.
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https://twitter.com/TBTimes_JSmith/status/481759532268679168

Waivers at noon.

Malone was arrested for DUI and cocaine possession in April.

An injured player can't be bought out but Malone is not considered player. Just stupid.

That Malone was evaluated in the wake of the arrest in the league's Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program run jointly by the league and the Players Association might not matter in a buyout decision. The collective bargaining agreement doesn't specifically address the issue, but it's believed a player in the program can be bought out because his absence from the team is not hockey related. The union declined to comment.
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http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/lightning-considers-buyout-of-ryan-malone/2184261

Bettman will probably suspend Malone when his legal issues are cleared up.
 
Raspewtin said:
Kane is like the one winger I wouldn't hate trading Staal for because he fills a LOT of needs we have. Big, fast, strong, trigger happy, goal scorer, two way player, top line LW. We'd be absolutely loaded on the wings.

I'd still rather trade him for a great center, that is if we're trading him.
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E.Kane would be a great addition to this team
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
I don't think we have one of the weakest enter ice cores in the league.

Check those #s again.
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Some people are stuck in the 80's. They think unless you are a point per game player, you are worthless. That is truly elite in this day in age.

If you can field 2 or 3 centers capable of 50-60 points, you are in good shape. The Rangers have some work to do for next season, but if people really think this is one of the weakest center ice cores in the league, they should look more.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Some people are stuck in the 80's. They think unless you are a point per game player, you are worthless. That is truly elite in this day in age.

If you can field 2 or 3 centers capable of 50-60 points, you are in good shape. The Rangers have some work to do for next season, but if people really think this is one of the weakest center ice cores in the league, they should look more.
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People are enamored with "names". They tend to be the ones who come through when you need it the most. It may not always be reality, but they get the headlines and headlines dominate mindshare and it's easier to say Kopitar is great than to say something good about Stepan, especially for someone in the midwest (meaning outside NYC, Kopitar's name is more well-known than Stepan's). Funny thing is, Boston won a few years ago and their top scorer was Lucic, a 30 goal scorer who had something like 60 points in the season. Even Kopitar is below a point-per-game, and he's LA's leading scorer. But his name sure sounds good, and a guy like Stepan could get to 70 points with a little more goal production from him and more production from his wingers, especially Kreider, but he will never be considered elite. Back to your point...I would hope that balance can be just as good as top heavy, provided you have the back-end defense to stop those top-heavy teams and the equalizer is a third and fourth line that can play and top two lines that can remain fresh. The lack of that scorer last season has everyone clamoring for that guy. I think their bed is largely made with the team they have and that guy may not really fit in here right now; he's supposed to be Nash or St. Louis.
 
azaloum90 said:
Someone mentioned Kane and I responded with an agreement on that post. Figured I'd run the numbers and see what we run into:

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($2.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Ryan Haggerty ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) / Anton Stralman ($3.800m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Raphael Diaz ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,490,000; BONUSES: $1,483,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $510,000

Note this is knocking Staal off, retaining Stralman, Recalling Allen, and Recalling Miller...

You could keep Staal and release Stralman for this:
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($2.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.700m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Dominic Moore ($2.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Ryan Haggerty ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.000m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Conor Allen ($0.925m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
Brad Richards ($0.000m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$0
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,840,000; BONUSES: $1,483,333
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $160,000

Again, does not leave much wiggle room other than 13th F and 7th D... Also leaves Diaz or Allen to play on the second pair..
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What are you giving up for Kane?
 
Fletch said:
People are enamored with "names". They tend to be the ones who come through when you need it the most. It may not always be reality, but they get the headlines and headlines dominate mindshare and it's easier to say Kopitar is great than to say something good about Stepan, especially for someone in the midwest (meaning outside NYC, Kopitar's name is more well-known than Stepan's). Funny thing is, Boston won a few years ago and their top scorer was Lucic, a 30 goal scorer who had something like 60 points in the season. Even Kopitar is below a point-per-game, and he's LA's leading scorer. But his name sure sounds good, and a guy like Stepan could get to 70 points with a little more goal production from him and more production from his wingers, especially Kreider, but he will never be considered elite.
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The question I have is how Stepan would have been viewed if he followed up his 44 in 48 last season with 70+ points this season. The primary culprit there is probably ice time more than anything else, which was a function of the Rangers roster.

I want to roll 4 lines next season, but I have no problem with having a broader split between 1 and 3. This year, the center ES time was split 15/14/13/10. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for it to look more like 16/14/12/10. That's still rolling 4 lines. Having a 3rd line capable for 12 minutes and a 4th capable of 10 is still evidence of a deep team.

Can Stepan produce 70 points if we gave him two more minutes per night? The lockout season seems to indicate yes, but is a shorter time frame. Can Brassard hit 50 if we gave him one more minute per night?
 
Tawnos said:
The question I have is how Stepan would have been viewed if he followed up his 44 in 48 last season with 70+ points this season. The primary culprit there is probably ice time more than anything else, which was a function of the Rangers roster.

I want to roll 4 lines next season, but I have no problem with having a broader split between 1 and 3. This year, the center ES time was split 15/14/13/10. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for it to look more like 16/14/12/10. That's still rolling 4 lines. Having a 3rd line capable for 12 minutes and a 4th capable of 10 is still evidence of a deep team.

Can Stepan produce 70 points if we gave him two more minutes per night? Can Brassard hit 50 if we gave him one more minute per night?
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Probably the same.

Stepan is an effective, yet unspectacular player. He'll always be criticized because theres no flash to his game.
 
Vitto79 said:
some are bashing this but for 1 million or less why not give it a shot on the 4th line?
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I think that $1MM could be better spent, especially when you talk about not being able to afford Stralman and others and looking to some youth to have a shot this coming season. Also, you hate to kick a guy when he's down, but there are other issues with him outside his diminished hockey skills that just say stay away for now.
 
Crazy trade idea, slow morning, bouncing ideas around in my head...

to CAR
Marc Staal LHD
Derek Dorsett RW
Danny Kristo RW/Jesper Fast RW

to NYR
2014 1st rd. pick (#7)
Riley Nash C

(honestly not because of his brothers, but because they could use a defenseman like Staal to go with their young guys like Faulk and Murphy. We could use a young forward who is a natural center that has versatility, on a cheap contract. And a good draft pick).

UFA: Mikhail Grabovski C (3yrs/13.5m, 4.5m AVV) thinking about puck possession and speed.

Kreider - Stepan - Rick Nash
Hagelin - Grabovski - St. Louis
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Miller - D.Moore - Riley Nash
Carcillo

McDonagh - Girardi
x - Stralman
J.Moore - Klein
x

Lundqvist
Talbot

Sign Brady Skjei to an ELC

Brady Skjei and Anthony Duclair to AHL Hartford Wolfpack

I'm thinking the corsi and possession folk would like it.

Only question is who wins that spot on defense.
 
Tawnos said:
The question I have is how Stepan would have been viewed if he followed up his 44 in 48 last season with 70+ points this season. The primary culprit there is probably ice time more than anything else, which was a function of the Rangers roster.

I want to roll 4 lines next season, but I have no problem with having a broader split between 1 and 3. This year, the center ES time was split 15/14/13/10. It shouldn't be that big of a deal for it to look more like 16/14/12/10. That's still rolling 4 lines. Having a 3rd line capable for 12 minutes and a 4th capable of 10 is still evidence of a deep team.

Can Stepan produce 70 points if we gave him two more minutes per night? The lockout season seems to indicate yes, but is a shorter time frame. Can Brassard hit 50 if we gave him one more minute per night?
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I happen to like Stepan a lot. I think he has very good puckhandling skills and a very good shot, perhaps close to 'elite', although not a Crosby kind of elite, of course. He also has good hockey sense. The question is can he make the necessary adjustments to take it to the next level, as the skills are there. Can he take the shot on a 2-on-1 instead of that extra pass that leads to no shot. Also, can his linemates bury chances? Will the PP get better, i.e., better point play and will his linemates get in front of the net more and fight for the loose pucks that he can get in front of the net? Also, can Kreider be a 25-30 goal guy? Can Nash get 35 regular season goals? Can Stepan get a couple more goals? And does he need a couple more minutes to accomplish this? I think he can get to 70 points. I think 60 is pretty safe. I'm good with that.
 
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