Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

[offdacrossbar]

If Callahan re-signs, I'd be inquiring with Yzerman to see if he wanted his 2nd rounder back in a deal around Brett Connolly. I think he's ready to make the jump and be a solid goal scoring winger.

I've seen him a lot here in syracuse.

He's struggled to make the bolts outa camp for a few years now. Big guy with a nice shot but the rest of his game has holes.

Consistent effort would be a start.

He's a guy that might need a new start.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Here was the last offer from the Rangers to Callahan.



Rangerboy had a post this morning that the no state tax would be about a 400 grand savings. If he is getting somewhere around 5.5 he basically took what the Rangers last offer was.

Although cost of living will be cheaper in Florida as well.

thought I heard he wanted a NTC on top of that?

 

[Hire Sather]

Nash was far from soft in the playoffs. In the regular season he was without a doubt soft and uninvolved too much, not the case in the playoffs. He just didn't score.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I didn't see that. I thought he was solid and in his role, he was pretty damn good.

But slot him up more? I think a lot more pressure would go on Staal to play better.

So much for Moore's improvement too, you can throw that out of the window. Klein's stay at home ability allowed Moore to roam more freely and play with more confidence.

Staal can play with probably anyone.

 

[17futurecap]

thought I heard he wanted a NTC on top of that?

Yea, will be interesting to see what Tampa gives him in regards to the NTC or NMC. Here was the Sather quote when the trade went down.

“At some point in negotiating, you have to say no,” Sather said. “In this case we had to say no because it got too far down the line to come back. At some point [in negotiating a] contract you get to an end point where you can’t go any farther and we were there. We were getting closer on the money. The no-trade was the one thing that really bothered me in the end.”

http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/...s-wouldnt-budge-ryan-callahans-trade-request/

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

If Callahan re-signs, I'd be inquiring with Yzerman to see if he wanted his 2nd rounder back in a deal around Brett Connolly. I think he's ready to make the jump and be a solid goal scoring winger.

I'd rather package our 2 2nd's and try to get into the 1st round to draft Larkin.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Nash was far from soft in the playoffs. In the regular season he was without a doubt soft and uninvolved too much, not the case in the playoffs. He just didn't score.

Oh, I agree so much with this.. I loved everything about his game in the playoffs other than not freaking scoring, he was hitting much more than he did in the regular season, driving to the net, creating chances, playing a really good defensive game etc.. If he's at his usual career shooting %, he probably gets at least 7-8 goals.

Yes for 7.8M we need goals, but it wasn't for a lack of trying.

 

[Trxjw]

Nash disappears in the playoffs for a reason. He's soft and his compete level is lacking. He looks like he's trying but he sacrifices scoring and becomes a glorified grinder. His so called quickness isn't evident most nights.

His most effective game is downlow and in front. He should dominate in the ozone. I submit that playing with stepan has effectively neutered his scoring because stepan cannot possess the puck and create due to his sloth like skating and general lack of strength. He and Nash together do not work. At all.

Jt miller needs to learn how to play a 2way responsible game if he's to have an nhl career. He's not purely offensive enough to cherry pick and be a sniper. He will need to learn how to play in all zones.

Av would agree with that take I'm sure.

I agree that is a reason why Nash disappears, but I don't think Stastny is going to fix that. He had plenty of opportunities but couldn't finish them. I thought his quickness was very evident, but his finish was lacking.

Playing with Stepan, Nash was on pace for 40 goals last season, and 32 goals this season. Those are very Nash-like totals. It's not Stepan's fault Nash couldn't bury his chances in the playoffs. It's not Stepan's fault Nash looked like a vegetable after his concussion. Pointing blame at Stepan for Nash being Nash just makes no sense.

 

[Trxjw]

I'd rather package our 2 2nd's and try to get into the 1st round to draft Larkin.

Larkin is a good prospect, but he's a long way off from the NHL. I also don't think that two late 2nd rounders are going to get you a sniff at the top-12 where Larkin is likely to go.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Trade staal for a kid and a first. Can't afford him. Let Boyle walk. Offer poo 2/2. Give stralman 5/5. Let miller play. Diaz gone. Car bomb gone.

Use Richards money for Stasny.

Staz is a 1c on this team. He's an upgrade and a gamer. Hed be the best most complete center on our roster by a lot.

The numbers will be close but can work.

No it can't... why don't so many of us face the facts? MZA/Brassard won't sign for 3.25... Boyle, Moore, Pouliot, Carcillo all ?s... Boyle won't sign for 2, neither will Moore for 1, Pouliot for 1.5 or Carcillo (small-potatoes as he may be) for 700K.

Stralman can't be given over 4, he's just not that good.

If you want to so much as re-sign all RFAs, sign Stralman ('cause there's no UFA replacement, all things considered) and one of Boyle, Moore and Pouliot while having 13-14 forwards and seven or eight Dmen, AND bringing in Stastny, O'Reilly, even Grabovski (4.75-5M), you WILL need to move considerably more than Staal.

I used to be on the ROR bandwagon.

I've run the #s 5,000 times, thinking of moves we could pull off to create room. Given our perspective losses, and given a poor UFA market (now the norm), we cannot add a C and improve in all areas, which is the purpose of the offseason, right?

Barring any dramatic shakeups (which I doubt either of AV or Slats wants), Miller WILL almost certainly be our 2 or 3C next season. And no UFAs will brought in beyond Winnik or Gionta, both of whom have been mentioned).

I'll be more than happy to eat crow on Miller. I'm not high on him, but give AV credit, he's good at developing young guys. On the other hand, I may be placing unfair expectations on Lindberg and Fast.

For the record, and FWIW, I don't necessarily think it would be unwise to trade Nash and Staal right now. Not saying I dislike either one, 'cause I don't.

 

[Raspewtin]

I agree that is a reason why Nash disappears, but I don't think Stastny is going to fix that. He had plenty of opportunities but couldn't finish them. I thought his quickness was very evident, but his finish was lacking.

Playing with Stepan, Nash was on pace for 40 goals last season, and 32 goals this season. Those are very Nash-like totals. It's not Stepan's fault Nash couldn't bury his chances in the playoffs. It's not Stepan's fault Nash looked like a vegetable after his concussion. Pointing blame at Stepan for Nash being Nash just makes no sense.

Completely agreed.

Nash is the reason Nash hasn't played well. Not Stepan.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Larkin is a good prospect, but he's a long way off from the NHL. I also don't think that two late 2nd rounders are going to get you a sniff at the top-12 where Larkin is likely to go.

Wow, he has really jumped up.

I was reading that he was being looked at as a potential steal at the end of the 1st. Now he's top 12?

Jeez.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

No it can't... why don't so many of us face the facts? MZA/Brassard won't sign for 3.25... Boyle, Moore, Pouliot, Carcillo all ?s... Boylebwon't sign for 2, neither will Moore for 1, Pouliot for 1.5 or Carcillo (small-potatoes as he may be) for 700K.

Stralman can't be given over 4, he's just not that good.

If you want to so much as re-sign all RFAs, sign Stralman ('cause there's no UFA replacement, all things considered) and one of Boyle, Moore and Pouliot while bringing in Stastny, O'Reilly, even Grabovski (4.75-5M), you WILL need to move considerably more than Staal.

I used to be on the ROR bandwagon.

I've run the #s 5,000 times, thinking of moves we could pull of to create room. Given our perspective losses, and given a poor UFA market (now the norm), we cannot add a C and improve in all areas, which is the purpose of the offseason, right?

Barring any dramatic shakeups (which I doubt either of AV or Slats wants), Miller WILL almost certainly be our 2 or 3C next season. And no UFAs will brought in beyond Winnik or Gionta, both of whom have been mentioned).

I'll be more than happy to eat crow on Miller. I'm not high on him, but give AV credit, he's good at developing young guys. On the other hand, I may be placing unfair expectations on Lindberg and Fast.

For the record, and FWIW, I don't necessarily think it would be unwise to trade Nash and Staal right now. Not saying I dislike either one, 'cause I don't.

The only place this team REALLY needs to improve is down the center... We can use more offense from the blue line, but its not really a necessity.. center absolutely is... They could sign the majority of their guys they want to sign (not all of them) and still bring in a center if it was something they were comfortable doing.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Completely agreed.

Nash is the reason Nash hasn't played well. Not Stepan.

I think its more of the reason Nash hasn't scored.. I believe he played well for the most part, created chances, responsible defensively, hit alot more, etc. but for 7.8M we need points.. no question about it..

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I think its more of the reason Nash hasn't scored.. I believe he played well for the most part, created chances, responsible defensively, hit alot more, etc. but for 7.8M we need points.. no question about it..

Part of his lack of production was the absolute worst of fortunes on several occasions.

I don't think i've ever seen anyone unluckier.

Really.

Any time there was an open net something freakish would happen.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think its more of the reason Nash hasn't scored.. I believe he played well for the most part, created chances, responsible defensively, hit alot more, etc. but for 7.8M we need points.. no question about it..

He did play well. Sure we were all frustrated with him, but he really did everything he could to score. He might have had the unluckiest post season ever.

 

[Trxjw]

I've seen him a lot here in syracuse.

He's struggled to make the bolts outa camp for a few years now. Big guy with a nice shot but the rest of his game has holes.

Consistent effort would be a start.

He's a guy that might need a new start.

I'd be looking for him to replace most of Pouliots scoring at a cheaper hit. Plus there is the obvious upside.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Part of his lack of production was the absolute worst of fortunes on several occasions.

I don't think i've ever seen anyone unluckier.

Really.

Any time there was an open net something freakish would happen.

I knew as soon as Voynov made that stupid deflection on the wide open goal Nash would have had in OT in game 5, that was pretty much how his playoffs was going to end, with more bad luck.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The only place this team REALLY needs to improve is down the center... We can use more offense from the blue line, but its not really a necessity.. center absolutely is... They could sign the majority of their guys they want to sign (not all of them) and still bring in a center if it was something they were comfortable doing.

Fair enough, but if you follow me, who then goes besides Staal? Klein? Hell no, decimate our D? Miller? Negligible cap relief. Hagelin? Rather not... Nash is the only other guy I'd trade, but that would constitute a major shakeup, which seems unlikely.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Fair enough, but if you follow me, who then goes besides Staal? Klein? Hell no, decimate our D? Miller? Negligible cap relief. Hagelin? Rather not... Nash is the only other guy I'd trade, but that would constitute a major shakeup, which seems unlikely.

Staal would really be the only guy who needed to go.. and for instance IF we got someone like ROR to go with Stepan, than the Rangers could easily flip Brassard to a team that needs center help for a Dman who can take Staal's spot.. or something like that.. meanwhile you re sign everyone else (minus maybe boyle)

 

[Raspewtin]

Here's a question for you guys.

Do we sell high on Hagelin after his tremendous playoffs, or stick with him?

When discussing ROR a LOT of Avs fans mentioned they want Hagelin rather Miller or anything else. His amazing post season opened the eyes of a lot of people.

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't be totally opposed to checking the market on him.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Here's a question for you guys.

Do we sell high on Hagelin after his tremendous playoffs, or stick with him?

When discussing ROR a LOT of Avs fans mentioned they want Hagelin rather Miller or anything else. His amazing post season opened the eyes of a lot of people.

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't be totally opposed to checking the market on him.

keep in mind he will also be due for a raise next year most likely.. I LOVE everything about Hagelin's game except that he needs to be a better finisher. If he could finish better, this guy would be a core player, because he does everything else very well

 

[Trxjw]

Here's a question for you guys.

Do we sell high on Hagelin after his tremendous playoffs, or stick with him?

When discussing ROR a LOT of Avs fans mentioned they want Hagelin rather Miller or anything else. His amazing post season opened the eyes of a lot of people.

I wouldn't, but I wouldn't be totally opposed to checking the market on him.

Was that Hagelin in addition to Staal instead of Miller? If so, absolutely not.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Staal would really be the only guy who needed to go.. and for instance IF we got someone like ROR to go with Stepan, than the Rangers could easily flip Brassard to a team that needs center help for a Dman who can take Staal's spot.. or something like that.. meanwhile you re sign everyone else (minus maybe boyle)

No, it simply wouldn't take just Staal, everyone is overlooking that.

Pouliot, Moore, Boyle, Carcillo, Richards and Staal simply do not clear room enough for Brassard AND MZA, And Stralman AND another $6.5-7M center. Even with an increasing cap.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

No, it simply wouldn't take just Staal, everyone is overlooking that.

Pouliot, Moore, Boyle, Carcillo, Richards and Staal simply do not clear room enough for Brassard AND MZA, And Stralman AND another $6.5-7M center. Even with an increasing cap.

I've already done cap geek and stayed under it.. especially moving Staal.. and that was with Miller getting Pouilot's spot and someone like Fast on the 4th line with Moore and Dorsett... that's not even counting trading Brassard for whatever D we pair with Klein.