Speculation: 2014 Offseason - Roster Building / Trade Speculation Thread III

[Raspewtin]

I'm okay with that, as long as Staal returns a top-9 big bodied young forward. ROR. Kane. That type of player.

I am absolutely not okay with a top 4 of McDonagh-Stralman and Allen-Girardi.

Not at all.

 

[haveandare]

I am absolutely not okay with a top 4 of McDonagh-Stralman and Allen-Girardi.

Not at all.

Well, you need to ice a whole team and stay under the cap. Sometimes you do things that you're not "okay" with on paper. Everyone wants 4 awesome lines and 3 awesome pairs. Few teams, if any, actually get that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Rangers could realistically keep Staal, let Stralman go and sign Stastny (not saying I would).. or trade for a top center like a spezza/staal cap hit and still stay under the cap. Though it would probably create a problem next year..

 

[offdacrossbar]

Like I said, that forces us to take a step back elsewhere. Namely on defense given that we'd be icing half of a second pairing. Also, Miller has nowhere to play with Stastny, Stepan and Brassard down the middle. So unless he's sitting on the 4th line or playing the wing, that doesn't help.

Stastny is a good player, but he'd also be another left-handed, pass-first player. We already have a number of those and they can't all play on the same half-wall on the PP. Some consideration has to be given to where these pieces are going to fit on the PP which was a major weakness for us once again.

A r1c would be ideal. He's a lefty. He can play effectively as a lefty. Step is a righty. Agree though, we need a right shot for the pp.

He's scored 20 6 times in 8 seasons. He's got a very good shot when he takes it. His shooting % would lead us by a wide margin.

Miller can play boyles minutes on 4lw. Less defensive responsibility for the kid. More chance to bang and score. Moore is the 4c.

Like I said he's not perfect but I'm trying to find the guy to make Rick Nash go. He's the best guy that's available for just money.

 

[Raspewtin]

Well, you need to ice a whole team and stay under the cap. Sometimes you do things that you're not "okay" with on paper. Everyone wants 4 awesome lines and 3 awesome pairs. Few teams, if any, actually get that.

I particularly have a problem with three things.

1. The notion that Stralman can play top pair minutes.

2. Girardi and Allen as a pairing is a literal meltdown waiting to happen. Girardi has proven he can't thrive without a capable partner. I HIGHLY doubt Allen would be that capable partner.

3. The fact that Allen is penciled in as a top 4 over Moore, who I hate, but would rather have playing those minutes than Allen.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Mcdonagh is going to be paired with Girardi. regardless of who we sign/let go.. that's just the way it is.. AV loves that pair. and why wouldn't he?.. They have shut down almost every top line they play against over their careers.

IF we kept Stralman and traded staal. Moore would probably be bumped to the 2nd LHD to play with Stralman. which creates a problem if Mcdonagh gets hurt we're screwed.

 

[haveandare]

I particularly have a problem with three things.

1. The notion that Stralman can play top pair minutes.

2. Girardi and Allen as a pairing is a literal meltdown waiting to happen. Girardi has proven he can't thrive without a capable partner. I HIGHLY doubt Allen would be that capable partner.

3. The fact that Allen is penciled in as a top 4 over Moore, who I hate, but would rather have playing those minutes than Allen.

Well, nothing thrown around HF in the offseason is terribly official, so mix and match if that makes it more palatable to you.

Going into the season with McD, Girardi, Stralman, Klein, Moore, Rookie (Allen or McIlrath) isn't terribly unrealistic, and wouldn't be particularly awful IMO. If no rookie really seizes a spot, then it's a huge problem, but if someone can assert themselves, that's really the natural progression of this D corp IMO. Maybe Staal stays and Stralman goes. I'd bet one is gone and one sticks long term ultimately.

 

[Raspewtin]

Well, nothing thrown around HF in the offseason is terribly official, so mix and match if that makes it more palatable to you.

Going into the season with McD, Girardi, Stralman, Klein, Moore, Rookie (Allen or McIlrath) isn't terribly unrealistic, and wouldn't be particularly awful IMO. If no rookie really seizes a spot, then it's a huge problem, but if someone can assert themselves, that's really the natural progression of this D corp IMO. Maybe Staal stays and Stralman goes. I'd bet one is gone and one sticks long term ultimately.

My problem is that if we make our defense that considerably worse, I would like to have added someone really strong to center and center only. ROR or at his level type. Center would become a strong point but our defensive depth gets really hurt in the process. I'm echoing previous sentiments but they are true. Unless we make our centers considerably stronger, will the huge downgrade in the defense be worth it? I really don't think so.

God forbid McDonagh gets hurt, we wont' win a game without him.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am absolutely not okay with a top 4 of McDonagh-Stralman and Allen-Girardi.

Not at all.

The goal would be to more evenly distribute the time between Moore and Allen and then play Klein more minutes. Maybe give Allen and Moore PP time over Girardi to help keep his minutes down.

 

[NYR Viper]

I particularly have a problem with three things.

1. The notion that Stralman can play top pair minutes.

2. Girardi and Allen as a pairing is a literal meltdown waiting to happen. Girardi has proven he can't thrive without a capable partner. I HIGHLY doubt Allen would be that capable partner.

3. The fact that Allen is penciled in as a top 4 over Moore, who I hate, but would rather have playing those minutes than Allen.

Girardi has proven he can play well away from McDonagh or Staal...MDZ played his best games with Girardi.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

We could really recoup on our assets this draft.

Cally resigning, an additional 2nd.

I've said it countless times, we need more blue line offense. Dan Boyle is someone that this team has looked at for years. I think he'd take less money for 2 years, especially from a SC contender.

To open up cap space for him, we could trade Klein for an additional 2nd to the two that we will already have.

Two of those 2nd's could be traded for a 1st.

Now would also be a good time to trade Dorsett. Get a 4th or 5th for him, too.

Boyle-Moore-Winnik

Winnik-Moore-Lindberg

Either would be formidable 4th lines.

 

[NYR Viper]

Well, nothing thrown around HF in the offseason is terribly official, so mix and match if that makes it more palatable to you.

Going into the season with McD, Girardi, Stralman, Klein, Moore, Rookie (Allen or McIlrath) isn't terribly unrealistic, and wouldn't be particularly awful IMO. If no rookie really seizes a spot, then it's a huge problem, but if someone can assert themselves, that's really the natural progression of this D corp IMO. Maybe Staal stays and Stralman goes. I'd bet one is gone and one sticks long term ultimately.

See but in this situation, it's easy to lure someone like a Diaz looking for minutes with the lure of a potential top-6 spot up for grabs. Get a solid #7 who can actually play and play well. Bouillon is another example.

 

[haveandare]

My problem is that if we make our defense that considerably worse, I would like to have added someone really strong to center and center only. ROR or at his level type. Center would become a strong point but our defensive depth gets really hurt in the process. I'm echoing previous sentiments but they are true. Unless we make our centers considerably stronger, will the huge downgrade in the defense be worth it? I really don't think so.

God forbid McDonagh gets hurt, we wont' win a game without him.

Well, yeah, I agree with that. Losing one of those D without a C coming back is a huge problem. I can't really imagine why they'd lose one of this D without a big C piece coming back though. There's no reason to let either of them get away unless it's to make room for someone else.

Plus, talking about things on paper looking awful, most people thought this entire team last year was the definition of mediocre. Sometimes teams just don't turn out the way that you expect them to, for good or bad.

 

[NYR Viper]

My problem is that if we make our defense that considerably worse, I would like to have added someone really strong to center and center only. ROR or at his level type. Center would become a strong point but our defensive depth gets really hurt in the process. I'm echoing previous sentiments but they are true. Unless we make our centers considerably stronger, will the huge downgrade in the defense be worth it? I really don't think so.

God forbid McDonagh gets hurt, we wont' win a game without him.

That's kind of the point of the cap though isn't it? If he gets hurt, someone will have to step up. They do have a 8+ million dollar goalie who is pretty good back there too

 

[TheTakedown]

That doesn't really prove that at all actually.

i'm pretty sure Sather offered him SIX year and SIX MILLION dollars...

so yes, it does

 

[haveandare]

See but in this situation, it's easy to lure someone like a Diaz looking for minutes with the lure of a potential top-6 spot up for grabs. Get a solid #7 who can actually play and play well. Bouillon is another example.

I don't disagree with that. But, frankly I don't want Diaz as a 6 for a whole year. I'd rather have a rookie there if they're ready, since they'll likely grow a good bit.

 

[NYR Viper]

We could really recoup on our assets this draft.

Cally resigning, an additional 2nd.

I've said it countless times, we need more blue line offense. Dan Boyle is someone that this team has looked at for years. I think he'd take less money for 2 years, especially from a SC contender.

To open up cap space for him, we could trade Klein for an additional 2nd to the two that we will already have.

Two of those 2nd's could be traded for a 1st.

Now would also be a good time to trade Dorsett. Get a 4th or 5th for him, too.

Boyle-Moore-Winnik

Winnik-Moore-Lindberg

Either would be formidable 4th lines.

Boyle is just sooo slow at this point in his career. Markov slow. And Markov got steamrolled by this Rangers team in the playoffs. Lack of foot speed was evident.

I'm okay moving Dorsett.

The second from Cally is a 2015.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I am absolutely not okay with a top 4 of McDonagh-Stralman and Allen-Girardi.

Not at all.

Conor Allen is nhl ready. I expect him to play quality minutes this year.

If you saw him at all last year, he's proven he has the overall game to handle nhl full time minutes. He's ready to make the jump. He's a very solid kid.

I have no problem moving Allen and Moore up and down the left side. Semantics really.

Girardi is a warrior but he's best suited as a partner for an offensive puck mover or a kid. Ala, Moore or Allen.

Lastly, Mcd and stralman would be a dangerous offensive pair who can shut down opposing lines. Very unique and very unusual for this organization. Stralman and Mcd would be a treat to watch.

We've played a lot of minutes with out Marc staal in the lineup. Anton stralman was the guy who stepped up and took those minutes and played well.

Let's not forget he was our second best dman for the entire playoffs.

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't disagree with that. But, frankly I don't want Diaz as a 6 for a whole year. I'd rather have a rookie there if they're ready, since they'll likely grow a good bit.

I don't think you'd find anyone to disagree with you. All I was saying is it's easy to lure a solid NHL dman who gets passed over in the offseason on a lower contract as there is a spot open. If they lose it or the team wants to play the young player, great, you then have a legit NHL player as your #7

 

[Raspewtin]

Girardi has proven he can play well away from McDonagh or Staal...MDZ played his best games with Girardi.

Can't tell if serious.......

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

What was the contract Boyle turned down from NYI?.. I dont know why he'd even want to sign there at his age to begin with though... so that's probably not even a factor...

I also believe he would like to sign with a contender.

 

[Trxjw]

A r1c would be ideal. He's a lefty. He can play effectively as a lefty. Step is a righty. Agree though, we need a right shot for the pp.

He's scored 20 6 times in 8 seasons. He's got a very good shot when he takes it. His shooting % would lead us by a wide margin.

Miller can play boyles minutes on 4lw. Less defensive responsibility for the kid. More chance to bang and score. Moore is the 4c.

Like I said he's not perfect but I'm trying to find the guy to make Rick Nash go. He's the best guy that's available for just money.

I don't think we need a guy to make Nash go. He goes by himself. He's a consistent 30 goal threat. Giving him better linemates might add another 4 or 5 goals and 15 assists, but he's never needed a top-echelon center to generate offense. In fact, I think a center who needs to see less of the puck would be optimal for him.

Also, putting our top prospect in a 4th line role seeing 10 minutes a night isn't exactly ideal.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Girardi flourished under the torts system. He didn't have to skate and create.

In av's system he is exposed as a flat footed semi doofus who cannot breakout, gets pinned a lot and frequently looks over matched.

He's still defensively responsible and smart and plays his best when he makes simple plays. But when he's asked to play uptempo, he simply cannot and when he starts scrambling around, he can look flat out awful.

 

[TheTakedown]

See but in this situation, it's easy to lure someone like a Diaz looking for minutes with the lure of a potential top-6 spot up for grabs. Get a solid #7 who can actually play and play well. Bouillon is another example.

well if we're going to lure Diaz in, then what the **** is stopping us from this?

McD-G
Staal-Diaz
Moore-Klein

Hell, that works well cap wise too!

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I don't know the advanced stats on Diaz, but he's solid on the power play, and works on this system

Still have a very little but of wiggle room on the cap with a 13th forward and a 7th D

You could even dump Diaz and Staal, then bring up Allen and resign Stralman for those two open spots. Worst case, they get the 3rd pair minutes for the first few months of the season.

Honestly, the D isn't going to turn into a piece of **** because we lose one defenseman... if losing that defenseman brings us a killer centerman, we win either way

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

What was the contract Boyle turned down from NYI?.. I dont know why he'd even want to sign there at his age to begin with though... so that's probably not even a factor...

I also believe he would like to sign with a contender.

I don't think they released an official offer. Just rumblings. Heard 2/10.