2014 Memorial Cup Location

[RayzorIsDull]

Kanuck I haven't seen anything from Broadhead addressing the flameouts in round 1 by Moncton and Rimouski, crickets....

 

[GangGreen]

Kanuck I haven't seen anything from Broadhead addressing the flameouts in round 1 by Moncton and Rimouski, crickets....

Are they this year's Memorial Cup hosts? Did they trade pretty much their drafts for the next 3 years to win it all this year? That's why it's so noteworthy. Upsets happen, but when it's the host its a pretty big deal.
For the record, I do hope Barrie wins. But they're going to have to do some big time buying to compete with the 3 league champs next year. (If they're not 1 of them)

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Are they this year's Memorial Cup hosts? Did they trade pretty much their drafts for the next 3 years to win it all this year? That's why it's so noteworthy. Upsets happen, but when it's the host its a pretty big deal.
For the record, I do hope Barrie wins. But they're going to have to do some big time buying to compete with the 3 league champs next year. (If they're not 1 of them)

The only thing you said and it goes to the point Kanuck and I have said is that upsets happen. Yes one team in Moncton went all in to get Danault and rolled snake eyes. The point is upsets can happen to any team, no team is immune from being upset.

 

[OHLTG]

Mississauga was a joke. They couldn't even fill their building. Melnyk bought the bid and GTFO.

I think they did alright in getting people in the seats. When my buddy and I went to the final, people were willing to spend upwards of $200 for a single ticket. We weren't willing to go over face value, but it got to the point where the guys selling tickets outside of the arena told us they felt bad and were actually hoping they'd have some left over for us. People literally walked up, handed these guys hundreds, and saw the game. While Majors fans were in the minority, you had fans from all over the CHL and the place appeared to be rocking. Since we couldn't get in, we went next door to the restaurant, spent $20 on food/drink, and watched it with a handful of other people. Fantastic time!

 

[glasses91]

Yeah hershey center was poppin'.

I brought a couple hunnies to the kootney game. DSP was the man.

 

[krazy kanuck]

The only thing you said and it goes to the point Kanuck and I have said is that upsets happen. Yes one team in Moncton went all in to get Danault and rolled snake eyes. The point is upsets can happen to any team, no team is immune from being upset.

That's about the long the and short of it. Hell must be freezing over. I'm agreeing with Rayzor.

 

[krazy kanuck]

Colts / Niagara Trade

The Colts traded 2 third rounders this season to Niagara for a total of 4 picks, 3 of which are in 2014 and beyond. This deal was likely made with the point of improving their opportunity to stock up for a 2014 Memorial Cup bid. As 2013 picks cannot be dealt once they're selected (other than the first rounder) this gives the Colts additional chips to deal for players for the upcoming season. They also get an additional 3rd and 5th out of the deal. As it's unlikely that the 3rd round 2013 picks will be big contributors for the cup run next season, it seems to make sense from that perspective.

The Colts shipped Kitcheners third round pick in 2013 and Ottawa’s third round pick in 2013 to Niagara in exchange for North Bay’s fifth round pick in 2013, Niagara’s third round pick in 2014, Windsor’s third round pick in 2015 and Niagara’s third round pick in 2016.

Source:
http://www.barriecolts.com/article/colts-swap-draft-picks-with-the-niagara-icedogs

 

[krazy kanuck]

All the returning Colts should have final 4 experience by the time the vote happens

My guess is that the Colts get knocked out in rd 2

Oops.

Not only are the Colts into the final 4, they've done it missing many of the guys that you noted will not be back: O'Connor (6.5 of 8 games), Camara (3.5 of 8 games), Hall (2.5 of 8 games), Theoret (2.5 of 8 games). Many of the wins they were missing at least 2 if not three or four of those guys. The games away are giving the kids who'll be here next year valuable playoff performance in key situations.

They've also got a "Player of the Week" performance from AA, and another from Theoret. Ekblad's been stellar. Belleville will be a challenge missing Hall, O'Connor and Theoret, but not impossible the way the team is stepping up. Their performance thus far can't be hurting their bid, the week before presentations.

 

[Torts]

Mississauga was a joke. They couldn't even fill their building. Melnyk bought the bid and GTFO.

They had no business hosting. I'm not saying it was a conspiracy, but it was horse **** from the get-go.

I wont argue that Melnyk bought the Mem cup, He did what he wanted to do with the franchise. But Majors went to Eastern conference championship the 2 previous years (I think) and on ice were the best team in the OHL that season from start to almost finish *sigh, shakes fist at Jared Maidens*. Yes we didn't have the best attendence but were you really going to hand it over to a team that has won back 2 back mem cups. The CHL wants to spread the mem cup around.

PS i hope barrie wins bid, will be easier to go to rather than London and Windsor

 

[hockeylegend11]

Oops.

Not only are the Colts into the final 4, they've done it missing many of the guys that you noted will not be back: O'Connor (6.5 of 8 games), Camara (3.5 of 8 games), Hall (2.5 of 8 games), Theoret (2.5 of 8 games). Many of the wins they were missing at least 2 if not three or four of those guys. The games away are giving the kids who'll be here next year valuable playoff performance in key situations.

They've also got a "Player of the Week" performance from AA, and another from Theoret. Ekblad's been stellar. Belleville will be a challenge missing Hall, O'Connor and Theoret, but not impossible the way the team is stepping up. Their performance thus far can't be hurting their bid, the week before presentations.

You forgot to mention that their 3 best players aside from Eckblad,goalie Niederberger
and forwards Scheifele and Beyers wont be back next yr either,I doubt Fontinos would
play as well as Niederberger despite his potential

 

[krazy kanuck]

You forgot to mention that their 3 best players aside from Eckblad,goalie Niederberger
and forwards Scheifele and Beyers wont be back next yr either,I doubt Fontinos would
play as well as Niederberger despite his potential

You forgot to *humbly* mention that you were completely wrong on your prediction. Gobble up your tasty crow. Also, since both AA and Theoret won player of the week honors, and the three players you mentioned did not, it's a pretty week argument that they were the Colts best players. Have they contributed? Of course, but you stretch my friend. Fotinos will be fine - he was better than Niederberger last year, no reason he can't be next season.

PS: How much playoff experience has Ho Sang got? How about Koekkoek? How about (insert your current favorite Spit here)?

 

[krazy kanuck]

I wonder about the implications of the Griffith signing... Does he go to Providence? Is he competing for a spot with Camara? Will one get sent back? It will be interesting...

 

[OHLTG]

You forgot to *humbly* mention that you were completely wrong on your prediction. Gobble up your tasty crow. Also, since both AA and Theoret won player of the week honors, and the three players you mentioned did not, it's a pretty week argument that they were the Colts best players. Have they contributed? Of course, but you stretch my friend. Fotinos will be fine - he was better than Niederberger last year, no reason he can't be next season.

PS: How much playoff experience has Ho Sang got? How about Koekkoek? How about (insert your current favorite Spit here)?

One of my favourite Spitfires is Brady Vail and he went to the Western Finals in his rookie year, including scoring a hat-trick against OS in the final game up in OS. Or were you not asking me?

From a pure logic stand-point...

Next year, Barrie is set to lose (potentially) - Theoret, Beyers, Fawcett, Brown, Camara, Scheifele, Hall, Lepkowski, O'Connor, and Neiderberger.

Windsor is set to lose - Clark, Aleardi, Khokhlachev, and maybe Pavelka.

Standing back and looking, it's pretty clear to me this is Barrie's year. I'd have said that regardless of any Cup potential. Next year, totally different story; Windsor should have the better squad.

 

[4 Bobby ORR]

Are you sure about this? Because Misissauga was announced the host on May 11th, and I remember Branch had the decision pushed back as it was originally supposed to be named in early May, which would have been during the League Championship between Windsor and Barrie.

Windsor was down 3-0 to Kitchener on April 18th, won the series on April 25th. The original date to announce the host was supposed to be May 3rd.

When is the final decision made by the selection committee? Windsor made it's bid on April 14th - so safe to assume all teams were around then. Even assume Spits were the last to make their presentation - if the selection committee took a week to decide the Spits series would have been at 3-2 Kitchener on April 22nd.

I'd assume their decision would be made closer to the unveiling date, so in this case would have been made closer to May3rd, so the likelihood would be that their decision would be made after Windsor came back to beat Kitchener in seven games.

It appears to be a May 10 announcement per this news clips date.
http://www.allvoices.com/news/5791831-mississauga-wins-memorial-cup-bid

 

[krazy kanuck]

One of my favourite Spitfires is Brady Vail and he went to the Western Finals in his rookie year, including scoring a hat-trick against OS in the final game up in OS. Or were you not asking me?

Actually I was asking the man with the bold "the Colts will get knocked out in round 2" prediction. But, since you chimed in, yes there are a handful of Spits who were around for the 2011 run (Ebert, Rychel, Vail) and have ~ 20 playoff games in. Having said that, none will have as many as 17 year old Aaron Ekblad will at the end of this season and many have a golden goose egg.

From a pure logic stand-point...

Next year, Barrie is set to lose (potentially) - Theoret, Beyers, Fawcett, Brown, Camara, Scheifele, Hall, Lepkowski, O'Connor, and Neiderberger.

Windsor is set to lose - Clark, Aleardi, Khokhlachev, and maybe Pavelka.

First, I don't accept that the Colts are going to lose all those players. I think they'll probably have at least two back. If Hall, Lepkowski, and Theoret don't come back, they will be replaced with other very capable (though maybe not quite as good) OAs through trade.

Second, even if that did occur, the Colts have achieved more this year, so they can afford to lose some players before they are on equal footing as the Spits, let alone worse.

Standing back and looking, it's pretty clear to me this is Barrie's year. I'd have said that regardless of any Cup potential. Next year, totally different story; Windsor should have the better squad.

All I can tell you is that the Colts were building for 2013-14. First overall pick in 11, the extra picks after the Rychel trade in 11, trading for quality 94's in Athanasiou and Dotchin, they assumed they would have quality OAs in Hall, Lepkowski and Camara (who was expected to be back, until he really had a monster season this year) etc. Did they peak a year early? I suppose it's possible, but they weren't aiming for this season. They probably thought former first rounder Yuill would develop a little more, but he's so far down the depth chart he's not getting the minutes he should.

Here's the thing, we likely will never find out...if Windsor loses the bid (they have to be the dark horse now) they will likely sell everything (especially if London gets it). If that happens, we won't see what this Spits team could do. In the unlikely event that they do get the cup, then Barrie will likely still load up knowing that they may be able to make the cup just by reaching the final. If that happens, I'll favorite your post so I can remind you of it next spring .

 

[GBFP]

^Great. Now I'm back to hoping London gets the gig over Barrie. :nowinkface

 

[OHLTG]

Actually I was asking the man with the bold "the Colts will get knocked out in round 2" prediction. But, since you chimed in, yes there are a handful of Spits who were around for the 2011 run (Ebert, Rychel, Vail) and have ~ 20 playoff games in. Having said that, none will have as many as 17 year old Aaron Ekblad will at the end of this season and many have a golden goose egg.

That doesn't mean anything, though. When the Spits first went to the Cup in Rimouski, they had one (1) playoff series under their belt, and even that was short-lived to Sarnia.

First, I don't accept that the Colts are going to lose all those players.

You don't have to accept anything. I'm telling you who's eligible to graduate. Barrie has far more leaving than Windsor does. Windsor could also do the same thing via trade, so that point is moot.

Second, even if that did occur, the Colts have achieved more this year, so they can afford to lose some players before they are on equal footing as the Spits, let alone worse.

If they achieve a lot this year, and lose a lot after this year, that doesn't make them better than us next year.

While Barrie was building for next year, this year appears to be THE year. They've got too many potential grads to be looking for next year.

I'm not trying to start a debate, just throwing logic out there. Looking at Barrie's roster, they're as "now" as you can get. Sure, they bring a fair bit back, but their core is likely to be gone. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

[hockeylegend11]

You forgot to *humbly* mention that you were completely wrong on your prediction. Gobble up your tasty crow. Also, since both AA and Theoret won player of the week honors, and the three players you mentioned did not, it's a pretty week argument that they were the Colts best players. Have they contributed? Of course, but you stretch my friend. Fotinos will be fine - he was better than Niederberger last year, no reason he can't be next season.

PS: How much playoff experience has Ho Sang got? How about Koekkoek? How about (insert your current favorite Spit here)?

Scheifele is your leading scorer,Niederberger has been on fire and somehow u somewhat diminish their contribution,my point being outside of maybe Hall all your key players 19 and 2o years old will be gone
18 year old goalies rarely lead their team to championships which is what u are expecting Fontinos to do next yr,and while Barrie"s defence projects to be fine,upfront
is another story and a 18 yr goalie to lead to victory is wishful thinking
As for me eating crow cant get everything right when predicting Barrie is like a
blind squirrel sometimes they will catch the odd nut
Btw I am sure u did not think your colts would get killed in the OHL finals against
Windsor but they did,pretty sure the crow was tasty as well

 

[krazy kanuck]

You don't have to accept anything. I'm telling you who's eligible to graduate. Barrie has far more leaving than Windsor does. Windsor could also do the same thing via trade, so that point is moot.

But you're not, that's the thing. If you were, you'd be including Giftopoulous and who knows who else on Windsor. You're assuming that the Colts will lose some players because they're that good, but not assuming the same on the Spits side.

Moreover, the Colts have assets (picks) to deal. The Spits cupboards (especially after Rychel's draft day deals) are bare for picks over the next couple years.

Finally, even if the Spits return every single last guy, they finished 4th from the bottom. Injuries, whatever. Fourth from the bottom. And they didn't get the pick that would normally come with it. That is all.

 

[krazy kanuck]

Scheifele is your leading scorer,Niederberger has been on fire and somehow u somewhat diminish their contribution,my point being outside of maybe Hall all your key players 19 and 2o years old will be gone

I'm not diminishing their contributions. I'm saying other Colts players have won player of the week honors the last two weeks. Players who, in the opinion of writers, obviously played better than Scheifele and Niederberger. Players who will likely be back next season.

As for me eating crow cant get everything right when predicting Barrie is like a
blind squirrel sometimes they will catch the odd nut

Yeah, they swept both series, only undefeated team left, have the 2nd lowest GAA in the playoffs, the most goals per game, and did it missing ~ 20 man games by some of their better players. A blind squirrel finding a nut? Yeah, they sure lucked into it.

Btw I am sure u did not think your colts would get killed in the OHL finals against
Windsor but they did,pretty sure the crow was tasty as well

Yep, and when I was wrong I offered sincere congratulations to all Spits fans and cheered for them in the memorial cup:

Congratulations to the 2010 Spitfires, well done and good luck in the Memorial Cup.

Thank you all for the discussion this season, especially those Spitfire fans - cfaub, otto (I can't believe how many Spits fans just didn't get your predictions were some sort of superstition for the Spits to win), Spitfire 14 and others - who really offered insightful comments this season. To my good friend Jug, enjoy and are you sure you won't take this hotel room off my hands?

I always cheer for the OHL at the Memorial Cup. Well, for the next three weeks, I guess I'm rooting for the Spitfires. Gulp.

 

[OHLTG]

But you're not, that's the thing. If you were, you'd be including Giftopoulous and who knows who else on Windsor. You're assuming that the Colts will lose some players because they're that good, but not assuming the same on the Spits side.

I forgot about Giftopoulos...nothing more.

I assumed Windsor was losing players because they're good - Pavelka and Koko could both return, but neither will. There aren't many we're going to lose, otherwise, to NHL teams.

Finally, even if the Spits return every single last guy, they finished 4th from the bottom. Injuries, whatever. Fourth from the bottom. And they didn't get the pick that would normally come with it. That is all.

Go out and lose O'Connor and Ekblad, right after you deal Lepkowski, and then tell me "that is all." I'm not making excuses, but nobody can tell me losing three major d-men in the span of a couple weeks, for the season, didn't hurt our situation.

 

[krazy kanuck]

I forgot about Giftopoulos...nothing more.

OK. Don't know their roster well enough to say there are more.

Go out and lose O'Connor and Ekblad, right after you deal Lepkowski, and then tell me "that is all." I'm not making excuses, but nobody can tell me losing three major d-men in the span of a couple weeks, for the season, didn't hurt our situation.

Of course it hurt the situation, but everybody has players that miss games, and at the end of the day, they were fourth from the bottom. Colts missed Camara for a quarter of the season and Scheifele for a little more than a third... Ekblad missed a bunch, Lepkowski more than a handful... It's part of my point, the Colts won games this season with the guys who will be gone next year out of the lineup.

Pick your team, everyone's going to be missing some guys. Did the Spits get hit a little worse than others? Maybe...but I don't think exponentially so when you consider other teams with guys away for the WJC, NHL camps + injuries.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

You're really coming off as disingenuous Kanuck trying too hard to ridicule others and prop up Barrie. You're no different than a lot of London fans.

 

[OHLTG]

Of course it hurt the situation, but everybody has players that miss games, and at the end of the day, they were fourth from the bottom. Colts missed Camara for a quarter of the season and Scheifele for a little more than a third... Ekblad missed a bunch, Lepkowski more than a handful... It's part of my point, the Colts won games this season with the guys who will be gone next year out of the lineup.

Schiefele played 45 games, Camara played 50, Ekblad played 54, Lepkowski played 60. We were down top 3 d-men for between 25-30 games!

Pick your team, everyone's going to be missing some guys. Did the Spits get hit a little worse than others? Maybe...but I don't think exponentially so when you consider other teams with guys away for the WJC, NHL camps + injuries.

Okay, please show me which teams missed their top 3 d-men for 25-30 games. I'd love to see. Or should I go do the research myself?

I'm not trying to come across as a jacka$$, but I really believe this team would have made noise in the playoffs if we hadn't lost Sieloff, Koekkoek, and Posa (one of those "wish we hadn't done this" moves). This isn't a "you're second last...no matter what" attitude won't work.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Schiefele played 45 games, Camara played 50, Ekblad played 54, Lepkowski played 60. We were down top 3 d-men for between 25-30 games!



Okay, please show me which teams missed their top 3 d-men for 25-30 games. I'd love to see. Or should I go do the research myself?

I'm not trying to come across as a jacka$$, but I really believe this team would have made noise in the playoffs if we hadn't lost Sieloff, Koekkoek, and Posa (one of those "wish we hadn't done this" moves). This isn't a "you're second last...no matter what" attitude won't work.

I may not like this Kanuck guy I am not big on this "they would have made noise in the playoffs." That really takes a huge leap of faith considering how the 1st round of the OHL playoffs played out in the west. Do you believe Windsor would have won a best of 7 against Plymouth or London? That's supreme silly talk but I have no doubt unfortunately you believe what you say. Kanuck's view and your view are complete polar opposites. Chances are it's somewhere in the middle if they were to make the playoffs they would have been knocked out in 4 or 5. I for one will be happy when this charade of awarding the cup is over. If London gets it they can gloat about being the best hockey franchise in the world. If Barrie wins then Kanuck can gloat that they bested Windsor and London and point and make fun. If Windsor wins people can say what a black eye for the league it will be. This discussion will go round and round because Barrie loses so much, I don't see London winning the OHL this year and with losing Harrington, probably Griffith they will take some hits. Just in general the Memorial Cup hosting privilege is such a sham and makes the CHL look like a poor organization overall.