Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III

[Greg02]

It was very strange how McDonagh was vilified.

It's a coping mechanism. As the players spend more time in college, they get closer to that UFA status. Then people start getting nervous, so they start to generate hate for the players so they're not disappointed in case they leave.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

Eh, Kadri is a bit more versatile as he can play all three forward positions, and he's still a young kid. I also like the swagger he brings to the table. Plus, he's already bested Brassard's most productive season at the age of 23.

If you watched any Maple Leaf games, there have been many games Kadri hasn't shown up mentally for, very invisible. I don't know if it is swagger or just plain arrogance with him. But I would take Brassard over him

 

[Trxjw]

If you watched any Maple Leaf games, there have been many games Kadri hasn't shown up mentally for, very invisible. I don't know if it is swagger or just plain arrogance with him. But I would take Brassard over him

I've seen plenty of Leafs games, and I've seen plenty of 22 and 23 year old kids fail to show up for games. He's a very skilled kid learning to balance his maturity with his performance as a professional. Also, let's not act as if Brassard is the model of game-to-game consistency either.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I've seen plenty of Leafs games, and I've seen plenty of 22 and 23 year old kids fail to show up for games. He's a very skilled kid learning to balance his maturity with his performance as a professional. Also, let's not act as if Brassard is the model of game-to-game consistency either.

From what I saw in the 30/40 games I watched Kadri, it seems he has the same attitude issues JT Miller has. Does he have talent, yes, but he looks lost on the ice quite a bit. When you couple that with arrogance, you have a player that sometimes hits a wall and never progresses to the talent he has . With Brassard, I see a player also very talented but with a more humble attitude, though sometimes too sensitive. IMHO, he is a more coachable player that can reach his potential. Every player in the NHL has talent but it's the one who can buy into what a coach is teaching are the ones who truly reach their potential. I just don't see it right now from Kadri, maybe 5/7 years down the road, but now he plays like he is entitled

 

[Ola]

I've seen plenty of Leafs games, and I've seen plenty of 22 and 23 year old kids fail to show up for games. He's a very skilled kid learning to balance his maturity with his performance as a professional. Also, let's not act as if Brassard is the model of game-to-game consistency either.

Yeah, but at the same time, lets not overrate Kadri's skill either. He doesn't skate very well, he isn't exactly a wiz with the puck etc. His shot isn't that awsome.

He gets into the dirty areas for sure though.

 

[Ola]

Let this sink in... We have Mac AND G locked up for 5 more years each for only 1M more than Subban by himself.. score!

Yeah, but that is what those insanely stupid bridge contracts get you. MTL could easily have locked up Subban too two years ago, but they forced him to take a bridge.

You really just gotta avoid them at all costs. Slats gotta learn...

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah, but at the same time, lets not overrate Kadri's skill either. He doesn't skate very well, he isn't exactly a wiz with the puck etc. His shot isn't that awsome.

He gets into the dirty areas for sure though.

Huh? He's a very good skater and has excellent skill with the puck.

 

[Ola]

Huh? He's a very good skater and has excellent skill with the puck.

I don't like Kadri's stride at all, choppy and not very effective. He runs on his skate and that gives him speed in some situations but I don't like that from a center. I also think his skills with the puck is overrated.

Kadri is just not my cup of tea. I liked Dubinsky better. Hard to put words on , like Kadri do not want the puck on the ice. He isn't the type who makes a unit whole.

 

[Zil]

Kadri puts up points and drives possession while forced to play in a system that is essentially anti-hockey. I'd take him over Brassard and it's not close.

 

[Doctyl]

Yeah, but that is what those insanely stupid bridge contracts get you. MTL could easily have locked up Subban too two years ago, but they forced him to take a bridge.

You really just gotta avoid them at all costs. Slats gotta learn...

Well McD's contract ate up all his RFA years while subbans is eating up 6(?) UFA years. The bridge deals work with lesser players like Cally Dubi hags, or when pressed for cap space. The only thing I see hurting us for not locking up could be Stepan.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I don't like Kadri's stride at all, choppy and not very effective. He runs on his skate and that gives him speed in some situations but I don't like that from a center. I also think his skills with the puck is overrated.

Kadri is just not my cup of tea. I liked Dubinsky better. Hard to put words on , like Kadri do not want the puck on the ice. He isn't the type who makes a unit whole.

Didn't Carlye in 24 say something to the effect that the kid thinks he's a 1C when we need him to play like a 3C?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Didn't Carlye in 24 say something to the effect that the kid thinks he's a 1C when we need him to play like a 3C?

Well, Carlyle is a clown, so.

 

[NewLife]

Kadri would have been a interesting addition to this team. Our strength up front is with no doubt our RWers, use it and don't move over Nash to the left. Step-Nash Kadri-MSL Brass-Zucc looks damn sweet to me.

 

[Raspewtin]

Kadri is already better than Brassard ever was.

Love Kadri. Would take him in a heartbeat.

Didn't Carlye in 24 say something to the effect that the kid thinks he's a 1C when we need him to play like a 3C?

Carlyle is the stupidest head coach in the league.

Can't believe that oaf won a cup.

I'm not sure how much stock I put in his point totals - I think Brassard could do the same if he was put in the same role on that team (and I'm on record saying I think he'll hit 55+ this year for the Rangers with Richards now gone).

Kadri was the Leafs' #3 when he had 44 in 48.

Kadri is a lot more talented than Brassard. Using Brassard as a 2C won't prove otherwise. Give Kadri a coach that isn't complete garbage and he will get 60+ points. I say that with confidence.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Kadri is already better than Brassard ever was.

Love Kadri. Would take him in a heartbeat.



Carlyle is the stupidest head coach in the league.

Can't believe that oaf won a cup.



Kadri was the Leafs' #3 when he had 44 in 48.

Kadri is a lot more talented than Brassard. Using Brassard as a 2C won't prove otherwise. Give Kadri a coach that isn't complete garbage and he will get 60+ points. I say that with confidence.

I've been saying something around Staal for Kadri would be nice. Don't know if it'll work now with Dubas in the office who actually understands possession and building around that

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I'm not sure how much stock I put in his point totals - I think Brassard could do the same if he was put in the same role on that team (and I'm on record saying I think he'll hit 55+ this year for the Rangers with Richards now gone).

He had a top role with Columbus, his career high is 47 points. He's about to turn 27. He's played 7 seasons in the NHL. Top 10 pick that never became great. He is what he is, madingly inconsistent. Do I like him yes but not as a 2C. I like his style and he's not as easy to knock off the puck like Stepan who gives his lunch money to the bully when someone breathes on him.

 

[bernmeister]

Kadri puts up points and drives possession while forced to play in a system that is essentially anti-hockey. I'd take him over Brassard and it's not close.

I appreciate this^ and the counterpoint.
My point remains.
He has lots of trade value, way more so than Girardi taking into account Girardi will prob play only NYR and TML and few other places.

 

[bernmeister]

Sometimes people disagree with you and it's not because they "don't see the big picture" or don't "speak the truth" or don't understand the basic concept of trades following trades.

I get all that. I just don't like that deal, and I think that D is a huge step down, a way larger step down than the boost the offense would get from Kadri.

They get Kadri, then what? Now they can trade a center. Miller is the most obvious choice since Kadri would likely take the spot he's going to try to earn. Miller for ____, a player who defrays/neutralizes/surpasses the weak D problem? That's a real long shot. The team can't afford to add more future assets IMO.

It's not like the names in question here are unknown. If Kadri comes, we know who's here now, we know who he'd likely make expendable. How do any of those guys turn into a D that knocks Boyle and/or Klein back to their rightful spots?

And I just disagree about how bad that D would be. Both Klein and Boyle are playing above their heads in that setup IMO, and very likely one of the rookies as well. We just saw what McD can do when he's got a partner that he's at the least comfortable with. Not sure I'd task him to babysit Klein or Boyle next year. I think Girardi is suffering from the HFNYR ethos where the last thing you did is the thing that defines your career until you do something else. Girardi wasn't good in the SCF, and now he's dead-weight to many posts. Not unlike Dubi after his bad playoffs. Not unlike Gaborik after his bad playoffs. Sometimes good players have bad stretches.

Thanks for sharing.
Too busy to give this attention it deserves until about Wed. or so. My apologies.

As for short oversimplification, re: what about Kadri, point is, he has value to team as to production based on how he fits, and he has trade value.
Make an educated guess, and go with it.
Prob flip Kadri + for upgrade.
Girardi is luxury we can't afford.

Til mid-wk

 

[Ola]

Didn't Carlye in 24 say something to the effect that the kid thinks he's a 1C when we need him to play like a 3C?

I don't want to say that I don't like Kadri, because I actually think he would be a pretty good fit on a 1-2-3 punch with Step and Brass (and I definitely think that Kadri between Hags and MSL could be a spectacular fit). I also like his swagger etc. for sure. He goes to the dirty areas real well, there is no denying that. And so forth. He has some offensive plays in him.

But there is something in his game that I am missing that others are seeing, playmaking, skating etc. And I saw a lot of Toronto last season.

 

[Savant]

Girardi is luxury we can't afford.

I am far not Girardi's biggest fan but I disagree with this.

Rangers did not give him a 5 year deal to trade him the next season, especially considering they let Stralman walk. There is simply no way they could find a Girardi deal to upgrade their offense while replacing Girardi's minutes on the RH side.

Staal I could see being dealt before Girardi though. Resigning Staal handcuffs them in terms of upgrading the offense due to the salary commitment to Nash, Lundqvist and the top 3 defenders. Could get ugly.

 

[Vitto79]

so is Hayes a legit option? not sure where he fits this yr if so. I kinda think Stempniak will lock up the 9th F spot......Kreider, Stepan, MSL, Nash, Brassard, Zuc, Hagelin and Miller likely wins the 3rd line C spot

4th line Lombardi, Glass, Moore but I expect another body like Carcillo in

callups Meuller, Kristo, Lindberg, Fast

 

[Ola]

so is Hayes a legit option? not sure where he fits this yr if so. I kinda think Stempniak will lock up the 9th F spot......Kreider, Stepan, MSL, Nash, Brassard, Zuc, Hagelin and Miller likely wins the 3rd line C spot

4th line Lombardi, Glass, Moore but I expect another body like Carcillo in

callups Meuller, Kristo, Lindberg, Fast

I wouldn't bet on him making it out of camp, but he is a legit option.

Why? We are in the midst of a bit of a head in the sand behavior. We lost last year because we wasn't big enough. Then we get rid of our two only PFs on the roster, Pouliot and Boyle, and replace them with small players. Our farm only contains small players. I am the first to admit that Hayes isn't some kind of super prospect. Keeping up with the play in the NHL would not be all that easy for him. But the kid is big, real big. Listing are always tricky, you know, but this kid is on the bigger side.

He is smart and can play with smart players, he has good hands and a good shot. His size could give him a shot and if he gets a shot he could take it if he manage to really connect with the players he line up with, and he has the tools to do so.

Someone compared Hayes to a young Brian Boyle, he reminds me somewhat of a young Dustin Penner. Penner was far from a big star in College (to?), but he got in and established himself in the AHL. Then he ended up in a -- real -- highscoring environemtn in Portland, where a bunch of players scored around 1.3PPG (Penner and Getz for shorter stints, and PAP and Ryan Shannon over the course of the season). Penner the next year played a big part in ANA winning it. Sure, he benefitted from the environment, but the seasons after he scored between around 47-63 pts on a real subpar EDM team on his own rights for a handful of years. Won another cup with LA. Penner is only 32 y/o, and he isn't exactly flying high right now. But my point is just that a young Penner would be pretty awsome to get for free.

Hayes is not as good as Kreider and it took some for Kreider to make it. But OTOH, Hayes role on a NHL team is much easier to figure out. Get on a line with two guys that can get the puck up ice and then help with precense around the board and some puck distribution.

 

[Savant]

so is Hayes a legit option? not sure where he fits this yr if so. I kinda think Stempniak will lock up the 9th F spot......Kreider, Stepan, MSL, Nash, Brassard, Zuc, Hagelin and Miller likely wins the 3rd line C spot

4th line Lombardi, Glass, Moore but I expect another body like Carcillo in

callups Meuller, Kristo, Lindberg, Fast

From what I've read the Rangers want Hayes more than Hayes wants the Rangers.

 

[Matt4776]

I still don't get the hate for bridge contracts. For players who are already superstars a la McD, obviously a bridge isn't the way to go. Thank god we didn't sign MDZ to a long-term extension worth a lot of money, though, and we only signed him to a dreaded "bridge".

 

[Championship*]

I still don't get the hate for bridge contracts. For players who are already superstars a la McD, obviously a bridge is the way to go. Thank god we didn't sign MDZ to a long-term extension worth a lot of money, though.

Yes, bridge contracts go both ways. To say that they are a bad thing is ludicrous.