Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III

[Fletch]

I see the Rangers re-signing Staal and moving Klein before they move Staal to make room for Skjei

they wouldn't move Staal to make room for Skjei (hope that wasn't what my post implied), and I don't think Skjei is ready to make Staal expendable. I think the Rangers don't have a lot of options with Staal considering other players who are up for raises, and the potential to still desire to seriously look at someone in the UFA market. There doesn't appear to be a lot to go around. Skjei being ready softens the blow of losing Staal, decreases the cost of the position, and potentially adds another young body and/draft pick, instead of potentially losing him as a UFA in the offseason. It is one suggestion/route of few that can be taken (including signing him, if there's room, and just losing him to UFA).

 

[surlysailor]

I like Allen, but he needs to make a real push this year to make it. He is already 24.



I wouldn't be at all surprised by that in addition to Moore

Why do you want to move Moore so badly? If anything he holds higher value than Allen, he's younger than Allen has played a full season in the NHL. He's only 23 and playing a top 6 role in the NHL, and since he has no arb rights will probably be signed for 2 years around 1-1.5 mil. If he keeps progressing next year he can certainly help ease moving Staal if Staal's asking price is the 6 mil range and hopefully then Allen can take a top 6 role.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

they wouldn't move Staal to make room for Skjei (hope that wasn't what my post implied), and I don't think Skjei is ready to make Staal expendable. I think the Rangers don't have a lot of options with Staal considering other players who are up for raises, and the potential to still desire to seriously look at someone in the UFA market. There doesn't appear to be a lot to go around. Skjei being ready softens the blow of losing Staal, decreases the cost of the position, and potentially adds another young body and/draft pick, instead of potentially losing him as a UFA in the offseason. It is one suggestion/route of few that can be taken (including signing him, if there's room, and just losing him to UFA).

Exactly.

I really wish the new CBA got rid of NTC's altogether. You should be able to lock up players like Girardi and Staal long-term and then if a younger, cheaper option like Skjei proves he's ready, you should be able to move Girardi/Staal to create a spot for him and clear salary. I know players still get traded with NTC but it limits the return (if not in overall value, then definitely in terms of which players/prospects to choose from because there's less teams involved).

ie: Detroit offers a young replacement D, and a young center prospect for Girardi, but Girardi refuses to waive his NTC to go to Detroit. Girardi will only waive his NTC to go to Toronto, so we're forced to accept a package from Toronto that consists of a LW and a RW (which may be of equal VALUE, but the wingers fill less of a need than the D + center for us).

Perhaps Toronto doesn't really have anything we need, so we're forced to accept a deal (which is fair value) for a redundant piece. So while the value may be about the same, the actual return (in terms of which players are coming back) is still limited by the NTC.


In hindsight, I really wish we didn't lock Girardi up long-term, especially with the NTC. I would've much rather risked him walking than Staal.

McDonagh-______
Staal-Boyle

appeals more to me than

McDonagh-Girardi
_______-Boyle

to start next season.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I seem to be one of the few around here who has high hopes for John Moore. I see him rounding out into a Nick Leddy type defenseman. Not great at anything (except skating), but good at everything.

There shouldn't even be talk of moving him right now unless it's in a major deal for a supreme upgrade somewhere else.

He's most likely going to make less than 1 million per season for the next 1-2 years.

Allen may end up being a solid NHLer also, but that remains to be seen. Moore already is a NHL defenseman with top-4 potential.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Exactly.

I really wish the new CBA got rid of NTC's altogether. You should be able to lock up players like Girardi and Staal long-term and then if a younger, cheaper option like Skjei proves he's ready, you should be able to move Girardi/Staal to create a spot for him and clear salary..

Yea Im sure the players, who have made their bones in the NHL and want the security of playing in the same city for a # of years, would really love your half-assed idea.

 

[Fletch]

Yea Im sure the players, who have made their bones in the NHL and want the security of playing in the same city for a # of years, would really love your half-assed idea.

as a fan of a team, you hate it, but if you think of players being people too, and the fact that they would like some stability in their life, then you know it's something that is fair. Nobody has to give it. Sometimes you can pay more to avoid it. But I obviously get why it exists.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Yea Im sure the players, who have made their bones in the NHL and want the security of playing in the same city for a # of years, would really love your half-assed idea.

Somebody's still bitter about something...

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

as a fan of a team, you hate it, but if you think of players being people too, and the fact that they would like some stability in their life, then you know it's something that is fair. Nobody has to give it. Sometimes you can pay more to avoid it. But I obviously get why it exists.

Of course. I get it too, but I've always felt like the millions of dollars these guys are paid accounts for the instability and fact that it's a business and you can be traded anywhere on any given day. They chose this profession. Little by little, (thanks to the players union), they get treated more and more like royalty.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Somebody's still bitter about something...

Why is he bitter? Because he makes a good point?

 

[Fletch]

Of course. I get it too, but I've always felt like the millions of dollars these guys are paid accounts for the instability and fact that it's a business and you can be traded anywhere on any given day. They chose this profession. Little by little, (thanks to the players union), they get treated more and more like royalty.

I don't feel bad for them. They get paid well for something they love to do, and they know movement is, was and will always be a part of the game. I hear you on that. And yes, the pay does create a bit of instability, but they've obviously earned that and owners have had a hand in pushing up the salaries too. And, of course, increased revenues, which is a good thing, adds to that. It's a tough system to work within because with the cap you'd see more movement of players, but at the same time, it's what keeps 30 teams in a league, hundreds of players, and a lot of other good stuff.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why do you want to move Moore so badly? If anything he holds higher value than Allen, he's younger than Allen has played a full season in the NHL. He's only 23 and playing a top 6 role in the NHL, and since he has no arb rights will probably be signed for 2 years around 1-1.5 mil. If he keeps progressing next year he can certainly help ease moving Staal if Staal's asking price is the 6 mil range and hopefully then Allen can take a top 6 role.

Where did I say I wanted to move him so badly? I think he has decent value and yet could be replaced

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Why is he bitter? Because he makes a good point?

Same reason you are. Because I keep making you look foolish.

It's all in good fun. I love everyone.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I don't feel bad for them. They get paid well for something they love to do, and they know movement is, was and will always be a part of the game. I hear you on that. And yes, the pay does create a bit of instability, but they've obviously earned that and owners have had a hand in pushing up the salaries too. And, of course, increased revenues, which is a good thing, adds to that. It's a tough system to work within because with the cap you'd see more movement of players, but at the same time, it's what keeps 30 teams in a league, hundreds of players, and a lot of other good stuff.

Yup, absolutely.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Somebody's still bitter about something...

About what?

Im merely calling out how ridiculous it is that you think Staal (or any established NHL player, for that matter) doesn't deserve a NTC, after all hes done for this team, because you want to make room for Brady Skjei in a couple years.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Exactly.

I really wish the new CBA got rid of NTC's altogether. You should be able to lock up players like Girardi and Staal long-term and then if a younger, cheaper option like Skjei proves he's ready, you should be able to move Girardi/Staal to create a spot for him and clear salary. I know players still get traded with NTC but it limits the return (if not in overall value, then definitely in terms of which players/prospects to choose from because there's less teams involved).

ie: Detroit offers a young replacement D, and a young center prospect for Girardi, but Girardi refuses to waive his NTC to go to Detroit. Girardi will only waive his NTC to go to Toronto, so we're forced to accept a package from Toronto that consists of a LW and a RW (which may be of equal VALUE, but the wingers fill less of a need than the D + center for us).

Perhaps Toronto doesn't really have anything we need, so we're forced to accept a deal (which is fair value) for a redundant piece. So while the value may be about the same, the actual return (in terms of which players are coming back) is still limited by the NTC.


In hindsight, I really wish we didn't lock Girardi up long-term, especially with the NTC. I would've much rather risked him walking than Staal.

McDonagh-______
Staal-Boyle

appeals more to me than

McDonagh-Girardi
_______-Boyle

to start next season.

Correct me I'm wrong, but DG has a NTC through the 1st 3 years. So he'll go in the backend as I suspect Brassard will as well. Still Staal wants more than DG, we may have a slight problem that isn't without fixing but leaves our D weakened. I suspect we sign Staal for a DG-esque deal, move Klein, promote McIlrath or Allen and have Moore and Skjei compete for last job. I believe Skjei will need 1/2 year in HFD and after that Moore may be expendable.

 

[alkurtz]

Of course. I get it too, but I've always felt like the millions of dollars these guys are paid accounts for the instability and fact that it's a business and you can be traded anywhere on any given day. They chose this profession. Little by little, (thanks to the players union), they get treated more and more like royalty.

Thanks to the union they get treated more like people rather than chattel.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Same reason you are. Because I keep making you look foolish.

It's all in good fun. I love everyone.

I'm looming foolish. Says the guy always wanted to trade stepan.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

About what?

Im merely calling out how ridiculous it is that you think Staal (or any established NHL player, for that matter) doesn't deserve a NTC, after all hes done for this team, because you want to make room for Brady Skjei in a couple years.

Agree with you. He's played hard nose for years and with injuries. He deserves the NTC

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Thanks to the union they get treated more like people rather than chattel.

Bingo.

LMAO at people complaining about the union letting the athletes get the money they deserve.

 

[RangerBoy]

NHL.com has 30 teams in 30 days this month. The Rangers day is August 7.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727372&navid=nhl:topheads

They spoke to Gorton

NYR asst GM Jeff Gorton sees big summer for JT Miller. "We made it clear to him where he stands and the opp. in front of him. All up to him"

https://twitter.com/TalPinch/status/492731254203502592

In other words,Don't **** It Up.

Miller made the team last season out of camp. Then he was sent down.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I like Allen, but he needs to make a real push this year to make it. He is already 24.



I wouldn't be at all surprised by that in addition to Moore

You say that as if he was a struggling AAAA player in his 3rd or 4th year in the AHL.

He played with the big club last year and absolutely looked like he belonged. On a team that didn't have McD, Staal and Moore on the left side my guess is that he'd already be a regular by the end of last season. Between that play and what I saw of him in the AHL, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't push them to make a move (either trading him or someone else).

 

[member 116805]

"I'm not sure," the 6-foot-3, 200-pound Skjei said Monday as the Rangers opened their week-long prospect camp. "Gordie [Clark, the Rangers director of player personnel] has told me he thinks I'm ready. But I'm still thinking. It's tough, but I think one more year of development would only help me."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...uge-for-new-york-rangers-prospect-brady-skjei

Skjei is a puss

 

[Emptyvoid]

Skjei is a puss

Kreider made nearly identical comments before entering his third college year. Is he a puss too?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The Rangers do not need Skjei right now.. He can go back to Minnesota to further develop his game because he knows he is not needed right now.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

so the Rangers won't make any move like Carbomb, or Ryan Carter until they see what shakes out with Hayes probably.. since Hayes if they got him would give them 49 contracts I believe, and there's no way they go to 50.