Speculation: 2014 - 2015 New York Rangers :: Roster building / proposal thread Part III

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Skjei is "a puss"?

Because he is going back to Minnesota for his Junior season, where he will play top minutes in every situation against the top forwards of his peers, a chance to help lead his team to a National Title, and develop his physical strength and offense at the same time...

That makes him "a puss"...?

Just like Kreider wasn't signing because he's a "Bruins fan" and he "didn't want to leave his girl friend"...

 

[Zil]

People get weirdly antagonistic when guys stay in college an extra season. It happens every time. Some here wanted to trade McDonagh because they thought he wasn't going to sign.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Skjei will hopefully have a number of years to try his hand at pro hockey.

He's only got one shot to play for the Gophers and try to win a National Championship. For many kids growing up in Minnesota, the Gophers are the pinnacle.

Hard to fault anyone for making that decision.

 

[BBKers]

so the Rangers won't make any move like Carbomb, or Ryan Carter until they see what shakes out with Hayes probably.. since Hayes if they got him would give them 49 contracts I believe, and there's no way they go to 50.

I agree that they will leave some kind of flexibility and stay at 49 SPCs at a maximum
That does not mean that they could not await the Hayes ordeal August 15 to see what is up thereafter
Then look at another option or even two players to deepen the roster for cheap $$ (which we need to do at some point). Usual suspects here would be Penner, Carcillo and/or Carter.
Unloading a Contract through trade would not be the biggest thing to do either (to get some flexibility)
Sather is usually good at this stuff. A two for one minor piece deal?
But perhaps they are planning on signing someone else outta the blue instead, either from outside or within the organisation?
Or they could call it a day and do nothing - just seeing if Hayes fizzles out and signs elsewhere (unfortunately probable IMO)
The Hockeybuzz fella that covers The NYR says he thinks we are done with the roster
Most likely means that big moves are ahead then...
Time will tell

 

[Cassano]

I'm not going to lie - pretty underwhelmed at Skjei's comments. I too thought he was ready for pro and could challenge for a roster spot at season's end. Not the end of the world though. Have a good season at college and come out strong next year.

Still hoping he goes pro.

 

[HankTheTankYoLo]

would you guys consider MDZ on a cheap 1 year contract?

Let him prove that he is good.

 

[TheTakedown]

would you guys consider MDZ on a cheap 1 year contract?

Let him prove that he is good.

don't think AV wants him here, besides D Depth is the last thing we need... MDZ-Boyle wouldn't shake out too well

 

[silverfish]

would you guys consider MDZ on a cheap 1 year contract?

Let him prove that he is good.

With Hunwick and Kostka, we have enough D depth that DZ is unnecessary, regardless of price.

 

[RangerBoy]

May 2011

Chris Kreider is pretty clear about his plans for next season.

"I don't feel like I'm ready for the NHL," the Rangers' 2009 first-round draft pick told Newsday by phone from Kosice, Slovakia, where he's playing for the U.S. team in the World Championships. "Another year [at Boston College] can't hurt."

Kreider thinks what's best for him is to stay put. "The view I take is, if I'm there, I need to be ready and feel confident in my game," he said. "Whether it's trying to make the team out of camp or being the next guy called up from the minors, I have to be ready or they'll just go with someone else. I don't feel I'm there yet."

http://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...rospect-kreider-may-stay-in-college-1.2863395

Kreider didn't think he was ready. Skjei feels the same way.

 

[Fitzy]

Hartford's blue line is logjammed. Skjei would be wasting a year of ELC to play 3rd pairing minutes in a minor league instead of being a huge part of an NCAA team competing for the national championship. He has a chance to build a legacy there.

 

[Thirty One]

People get weirdly antagonistic when guys stay in college an extra season. It happens every time. Some here wanted to trade McDonagh because they thought he wasn't going to sign.

It was very strange how McDonagh was vilified.

 

[bernmeister]

Exactly.

I really wish the new CBA got rid of NTC's altogether. You should be able to lock up players like Girardi and Staal long-term and then if a younger, cheaper option like Skjei proves he's ready, you should be able to move Girardi/Staal to create a spot for him and clear salary. I know players still get traded with NTC but it limits the return (if not in overall value, then definitely in terms of which players/prospects to choose from because there's less teams involved).

ie: Detroit offers a young replacement D, and a young center prospect for Girardi, but Girardi refuses to waive his NTC to go to Detroit. Girardi will only waive his NTC to go to Toronto, so we're forced to accept a package from Toronto that consists of a LW and a RW (which may be of equal VALUE, but the wingers fill less of a need than the D + center for us).

Perhaps Toronto doesn't really have anything we need, so we're forced to accept a deal (which is fair value) for a redundant piece. So while the value may be about the same, the actual return (in terms of which players are coming back) is still limited by the NTC.


In hindsight, I really wish we didn't lock Girardi up long-term, especially with the NTC. I would've much rather risked him walking than Staal.

McDonagh-______
Staal-Boyle

appeals more to me than

McDonagh-Girardi
_______-Boyle

to start next season.

I was glad we signed Girardi, just didn't want the NTC, limited or otherwise.
These are becoming more and more prevalent.
Players are entitled to some peace of mind, esp. long term. and I can understand a guy like Stralman wanting to put his family first (even though that is parallel off of UFA negotiations and not as to potential trade down the road after signing). Obviously it limits club flexibility as well.

Girardi is not an ideal fit to AV system, has value, and has bigger contract than our best D, McD. He should be moved. I agree he's likely consider Leafs for sentiment.

Other than age differential, in several threads Kadri for Girardi works. NY would save a couple of bucks, and DG would be cost effective if/when Phaneuf is moved. We likely have to include a prospect due to age dif Tor fans want back, which should be no higher than Danny Kristo. Leafs would then add based on our add for balance.

Assuming no other D additions, we need to put McIlrath on 3rd pair anyway, so we do:
McD - Boyle/Klein
Staal Klein/Allen
Allen McIl

If the price fetched is high enough, Moore can be moved.

But Girardi for Kadri should be the focus going forward, while that opportunity presents itself. We can't move Danny boy to just anywhere, and its a short window before Kadri and Leafs either kiss and make up, or Tor moves him.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm looming foolish. Says the guy always wanted to trade stepan.

77 can speak for himself, and address both his good points and gaffes.
As to the bold there should be no sacred cows, if someone being traded can improve the team, it should be done.

Obviously, some guys, like McD, Hank and Kreider, what would have to come back renders them de facto effectively untradeable. Stepan is not in that category, despite how those of you with a man-crush on him insist otherwise.

Stepan is the bottom quarter, maybe bottom third of 1Cs. Yes, we need to improve 1C depth and understandably, many say either no trading Stepan at all, or if so, only for a 1C upgrade only.

I disagree, because we do have other needs. We need to raise the overall talent of the club so we have a better chance to dominate. This is what many here are rejecting/overlooking.

Stepan is a precious asset not to be squandered. We only get one shot moving him. Stepan is not quite enough for JVR, but Stepan + could be JVR, Seth Jones +, maybe Ekblad (or +), etc.; if that is the case, we should take the increased talent we are certain to get, and continue working on our C situation.

WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF BECAUSE, BY DEFINITION, THE PREMIUM WE GET FOR STEPAN/+ IS SUPERIOR TO STEPAN.

So I ask, repeating my point of: "As to the bold there should be no sacred cows, if someone being traded can improve the team, it should be done.", that we be more objective on the issue of moving Stepan or not.

While it is thus not fair to arbitrarily criticize anyone for, in a vacuum, pressing to move Stepan, it is entirely fair to take to 77 or anyone else to task for what the return is. That is a fair ?.

On that, I leave 77 to defend his prior suggestions of moving [something around] Stepan for ROR, which is tantamount to coke for pepsi, except, ROR is overpriced and with attitude. Stepan is not a problem child, but will be prohibitively expensive next year. MOVE HIM NOW WHILE HE COMMANDS TOP $.

Someone like JVR on a sweet deal, or a promising enough guy on an ELC, on the other hand, is constructive, IMO.

 

[pld459666]

Hartford's blue line is logjammed. Skjei would be wasting a year of ELC to play 3rd pairing minutes in a minor league instead of being a huge part of an NCAA team competing for the national championship. He has a chance to build a legacy there.

If he turned pro he would not get third pair minutes in the AHL. Hed get top pair minutes and responsibilities.

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

I was glad we signed Girardi, just didn't want the NTC, limited or otherwise.
These are becoming more and more prevalent.
Players are entitled to some peace of mind, esp. long term. and I can understand a guy like Stralman wanting to put his family first (even though that is parallel off of UFA negotiations and not as to potential trade down the road after signing). Obviously it limits club flexibility as well.

Girardi is not an ideal fit to AV system, has value, and has bigger contract than our best D, McD. He should be moved. I agree he's likely consider Leafs for sentiment.

Other than age differential, in several threads Kadri for Girardi works. NY would save a couple of bucks, and DG would be cost effective if/when Phaneuf is moved. We likely have to include a prospect due to age dif Tor fans want back, which should be no higher than Danny Kristo. Leafs would then add based on our add for balance.

Assuming no other D additions, we need to put McIlrath on 3rd pair anyway, so we do:
McD - Boyle/Klein
Staal Klein/Allen
Allen McIl

If the price fetched is high enough, Moore can be moved.

But Girardi for Kadri should be the focus going forward, while that opportunity presents itself. We can't move Danny boy to just anywhere, and its a short window before Kadri and Leafs either kiss and make up, or Tor moves him.

What happened to John Moore?

 

[haveandare]

I was glad we signed Girardi, just didn't want the NTC, limited or otherwise.
These are becoming more and more prevalent.
Players are entitled to some peace of mind, esp. long term. and I can understand a guy like Stralman wanting to put his family first (even though that is parallel off of UFA negotiations and not as to potential trade down the road after signing). Obviously it limits club flexibility as well.

Girardi is not an ideal fit to AV system, has value, and has bigger contract than our best D, McD. He should be moved. I agree he's likely consider Leafs for sentiment.

Other than age differential, in several threads Kadri for Girardi works. NY would save a couple of bucks, and DG would be cost effective if/when Phaneuf is moved. We likely have to include a prospect due to age dif Tor fans want back, which should be no higher than Danny Kristo. Leafs would then add based on our add for balance.

Assuming no other D additions, we need to put McIlrath on 3rd pair anyway, so we do:
McD - Boyle/Klein
Staal Klein/Allen
Allen McIl

If the price fetched is high enough, Moore can be moved.

But Girardi for Kadri should be the focus going forward, while that opportunity presents itself. We can't move Danny boy to just anywhere, and its a short window before Kadri and Leafs either kiss and make up, or Tor moves him.

That D looks shaky at best. Two rookies in the lineup and one of Klein/Boyle on the first pair is frightening.

 

[bernmeister]

I was glad we signed Girardi, just didn't want the NTC, limited or otherwise.
These are becoming more and more prevalent.
Players are entitled to some peace of mind, esp. long term. and I can understand a guy like Stralman wanting to put his family first (even though that is parallel off of UFA negotiations and not as to potential trade down the road after signing). Obviously it limits club flexibility as well.

Girardi is not an ideal fit to AV system, has value, and has bigger contract than our best D, McD. He should be moved. I agree he's likely consider Leafs for sentiment.

Other than age differential, in several threads Kadri for Girardi works. NY would save a couple of bucks, and DG would be cost effective if/when Phaneuf is moved. We likely have to include a prospect due to age dif Tor fans want back, which should be no higher than Danny Kristo. Leafs would then add based on our add for balance.

Assuming no other D additions, we need to put McIlrath on 3rd pair anyway, so we do:
McD - Boyle/Klein
Staal Klein/Allen
Allen McIl

If the price fetched is high enough, Moore can be moved.

But Girardi for Kadri should be the focus going forward, while that opportunity presents itself. We can't move Danny boy to just anywhere, and its a short window before Kadri and Leafs either kiss and make up, or Tor moves him.

Quoted my own post in follow up to your subsequent:

What happened to John Moore?

 

[bernmeister]

That D looks shaky at best. Two rookies in the lineup and one of Klein/Boyle on the first pair is frightening.

I agree it's obviously a step down, a line up with Girardi is stronger than a lineup without Girardi, if a better D is not immediately coming back. I disagree as to it being "shaky at best" and, while I would have gone in another direction and not signed Boyle as a solution to certain problems while creating others, would not say "Klein/Boyle on the first pair is frightening".

What I continue to ask people is to speak the truth.
This is not a photograph, where one trade is made and it is a snapshot in time.

Yes, in a vacuum, that is exactly what it is
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT
going forward it is more like multiple single photos linked together to make a movie.

We deal Girardi today and our D is weaker, but other parts of the team much stronger.

In three weeks we take from that added strength and do an add that defrays/neutralizes/surpasses the weak D problem.

It's an ongoing process.
Big picture, please.

thanks for the constructive input

 

[haveandare]

I agree it's obviously a step down, a line up with Girardi is stronger than a lineup without Girardi, if a better D is not immediately coming back. I disagree as to it being "shaky at best" and, while I would have gone in another direction and not signed Boyle as a solution to certain problems while creating others, would not say "Klein/Boyle on the first pair is frightening".

What I continue to ask people is to speak the truth.
This is not a photograph, where one trade is made and it is a snapshot in time.

Yes, in a vacuum, that is exactly what it is
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT
going forward it is more like multiple single photos linked together to make a movie.

We deal Girardi today and our D is weaker, but other parts of the team much stronger.

In three weeks we take from that added strength and do an add that defrays/neutralizes/surpasses the weak D problem.

It's an ongoing process.
Big picture, please.

thanks for the constructive input

Sometimes people disagree with you and it's not because they "don't see the big picture" or don't "speak the truth" or don't understand the basic concept of trades following trades.

I get all that. I just don't like that deal, and I think that D is a huge step down, a way larger step down than the boost the offense would get from Kadri.

They get Kadri, then what? Now they can trade a center. Miller is the most obvious choice since Kadri would likely take the spot he's going to try to earn. Miller for ____, a player who defrays/neutralizes/surpasses the weak D problem? That's a real long shot. The team can't afford to add more future assets IMO.

It's not like the names in question here are unknown. If Kadri comes, we know who's here now, we know who he'd likely make expendable. How do any of those guys turn into a D that knocks Boyle and/or Klein back to their rightful spots?

And I just disagree about how bad that D would be. Both Klein and Boyle are playing above their heads in that setup IMO, and very likely one of the rookies as well. We just saw what McD can do when he's got a partner that he's at the least comfortable with. Not sure I'd task him to babysit Klein or Boyle next year. I think Girardi is suffering from the HFNYR ethos where the last thing you did is the thing that defines your career until you do something else. Girardi wasn't good in the SCF, and now he's dead-weight to many posts. Not unlike Dubi after his bad playoffs. Not unlike Gaborik after his bad playoffs. Sometimes good players have bad stretches.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

don't think AV wants him here, besides D Depth is the last thing we need... MDZ-Boyle wouldn't shake out too well

Plus I think we're all sick of offensive d-men that aren't good at anything. Driver, Van Impe, Poti, Pock, Redden, Sanguinetti, Gilroy, etc, etc, etc. Sorry, they were all good skaters, except Redden and MDZ.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't get the fascination with Kadri. I think Brassard is essentially the same player, except a little bigger and with a lot less attitude.

 

[Trxjw]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I don't get the fascination with Kadri. I think Brassard is essentially the same player, except a little bigger and with a lot less attitude.

Eh, Kadri is a bit more versatile as he can play all three forward positions, and he's still a young kid. I also like the swagger he brings to the table. Plus, he's already bested Brassard's most productive season at the age of 23.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Eh, Kadri is a bit more versatile as he can play all three forward positions, and he's still a young kid. I also like the swagger he brings to the table. Plus, he's already bested Brassard's most productive season at the age of 23.

I'm not sure how much stock I put in his point totals - I think Brassard could do the same if he was put in the same role on that team (and I'm on record saying I think he'll hit 55+ this year for the Rangers with Richards now gone).

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

PK's contract makes u absolutely love Ryan Mcdonagh even more!

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Let this sink in... We have Mac AND G locked up for 5 more years each for only 1M more than Subban by himself.. score!