2014-2015 Champions Hockey League

[Den]

Just to clarify, that's the total prize money.

With this kind of money they might start folding right away...

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Let's see a source.

http://www.dp.ru/a/2012/12/21/KHL_vpervie_zakanchivaet_g/

2011 data

 

[Jussi]

It's too bad that Jokerit and Slovan are not in but if the KHL claims a special status for themselves, than that's no basis to start a project.

Yup, there was no way they were going to allow KHL clubs to dictate which Central European clubs could take part and which could not. If these clubs became to love the CHL, then they'd obviously have little interest in joining KHL, which was what they feared.

 

[Jussi]

With this kind of money they might start folding right away...

200K-500K for the winner (estimate), that's more than enough. If you're dreaming of UCL kind of money, you're delusional.

 

[Jussi]

500K for a top KHL team is 1/80 of their budget. Would be Finnish teams interested to play for 1/80 of their budget?

But that is not 1/80 of their budget. One could also ask, is it necessary to spend that much on your budget? How does the KHL pay teams for winning the Gagarin Cup?

 

[QnebO]

500K for a top KHL team is 1/80 of their budget. Would be Finnish teams interested to play for 1/80 of their budget?

But it's good price because these team aren't playing with budgets like that... 500k is very roughly between 7 to 15% of FEL teams total budget (not only player budget).

 

[Den]

200K-500K for the winner (estimate), that's more than enough. If you're dreaming of UCL kind of money, you're delusional.

500K for how many additional games on a season?

This is peanuts even for hockey.

 

[Den]

But it's good price because these team aren't playing with budgets like that... 500k is very roughly between 7 to 15% of FEL teams total budget (not only player budget).

Are they gonna add 10%-5% extra games=2 to 6 games on a season?

And lets not forget 500K is what only one team gets...

 

[vorky]

Why was it a wild card? Strange...

wild cards are for 3rd rate hockey leagues... do you consider KHL as 3rd rate euro league like France, GB etc?

Sometimes I wonder if you can read

 

[Jussi]

MOD

500K for how many additional games on a season?

This is peanuts even for hockey.

It's better to have a European club competition that pays "enough" (remember, that is the first year's prize money) than to not have one at all. Men's hockey is the only major winter/team sport in Europe that doesn't have Euroleague/Champions League equivalent and that is sad for the sport.

 

[Den]

The claim that the KHL is profitable is very missleading: there is an official "body" the KHL which owns rights, TV rights, etc, and probably comprises managment, judges + all sorts of workers. This is separate from the teams. Likely not more than 500 people.

And this is what is profitable.

 

[Jussi]

The claim that the KHL is profitable is very missleading: there is an official "body" the KHL which owns rights, TV rights, etc, and probably comprises managment, judges + all sorts of workers. This is separate from the teams. Likely not more than 500 people.

And this is what is profitable.

I already addressed that last page. It was old news already then as well.

 

[Den]

It's better to have a European club competition that pays "enough"

I agree that a CHL is needed, but this is not "enough". Remember that 500K is what one single team gets. Even this money is dissproportionately small compared to the number of extra games (group stage+all the way in the playoffs). Certainly less than what a FEL's or SHL's team annual budget share for a similar number of games in the domestic league.

Even if next seasons offer larger prize money: it has to be quite larger to start matching domestic budget per game.

 

[Jussi]

Are they gonna add 10%-5% extra games=2 to 6 games on a season?

And lets not forget 500K is what only one team gets...

Finnish league season this season is 60 games (many fans already thinking there's 2-4 games too much). Group stage is 6 games, playoffs+finals in February. No EHT next year other than the Finland and Russia tournaments, that should be enough.

 

[vorky]

It's better to have a European club competition that pays "enough" (remember, that is the first year's prize money) than to not have one at all. Men's hockey is the only major winter/team sport in Europe that doesn't have Euroleague/Champions League equivalent and that is sad for the sport.

You are wrong again and agains. There is such league, it is called KHL. You will be able to enjoy the KHL next season, because your Jokerit joins KHL. I think you know it, or not?

 

[Den]

Finnish league season this season is 60 games (many fans already thinking there's 2-4 games too much). Group stage is 6 games, playoffs+finals in February. No EHT next year other than the Finland and Russia tournaments, that should be enough.

That's what I am saying, the CHL winner is playing 6+4=10 extra games. That's 1/6 of the domestic season.

Is 500K 1/6 of a FEL top team budget?

 

[Jussi]

I agree that a CHL is needed, but this is not "enough". Remember that 500K is what one single team gets. Even this money is dissproportionately small compared to the number of extra games (group stage+all the way in the playoffs). Certainly less than what a FEL's or SHL's team annual budget share for a similar number of games in the domestic league.

Even if next seasons offer larger prize money: it has to be quite larger to start matching domestic budget per game.

Well you can't just wish for the money to be bigger if there isn't one. That's more indicative of the state of the sport in Europe. Bare in mind, the clubs did set out to start this whole thing on a sportive ground instead of a financial one. The desire to have a competition like this in the first place was bigger than to make money.

 

[vorky]

It is naive to think that this prize money will be higher in future... it is not sure that CHL will be there for more than a year.

they started with a sportive ground instead of a financial one, because they dont have money and never will have.

 

[QnebO]

You are wrong again and agains. There is such league, it is called KHL. You will be able to enjoy the KHL next season, because your Jokerit joins KHL. I think you know it, or not?

But it's not yet European league. The culture of the league is very Russian. Jokerit is what is able to draw my interest. If they really want to come european league, the looks and feels of the league has to outplay national leagues. You can't force it, you would have to sell it to Europeans - and that's where it will fall probably. I will follow bit Russianish league after it has Finnish arena and organization in it, its not problem to me.. but it's problem to KHL if they want to be European wide league, and be on peoples hearts.

 

[vorky]

But it's not yet European league. The culture of the league is very Russian. Jokerit is what is able to draw my interest. If they really want to come european league, the looks and feels of the league has to outplay national leagues. You can't force it, you would have to sell it to Europeans - and that's where it will fall probably. I will follow bit Russianish league after it has Finnish arena and organization in it, its not problem to me.. but it's problem to KHL if they want to be European wide league, and be on peoples hearts.

I see you, but you can not look at KHL of today... but of future. KHL wants more euro clubs, strong euro clubs, it was said many times by Medvedev, Shalaev, Kochevrin etc. League wants to share money with all clubs in future as well (this is Jussi´s problem). KHL wants to grow game in Europe... and is for Champions League model, which will include 2nd rate euro/russian clubs, because not everyone can play KHL (the same, not every US/CAN club can play NHL, go and ask in Quebeck). The best euro clubs should play KHL.

Imagine KHL as I described upper and ask yourself. What is better for euro hockey? 1) KHL for best and ET/CHL/whatever for rest clubs or 2) KHL as is today and ET/CHL without Russians=money?

Many guys dont understand KHL´s expansion, they fear but there is no reason for it. You will see what Jokerit will cause in Finland, theere will be hockey boom....

I wrote it many times, biggest problem of euro hockey is a fact that BIG BUSSINESS is not involved in euro club competitions... only KHL is able to bring big bussiness into euro hockey. Someone does not like it because of moral, but the same people love NHL for the same reason - for big bussiness in us/can hockey.

 

[Jussi]

That's what I am saying, the CHL winner is playing 6+4=10 extra games. That's 1/6 of the domestic season.

Is 500K 1/6 of a FEL top team budget?

Player budgets for this season for clubs taking part in CHL next year(the ones known so far):

Tappara 2 500 000
JYP 2 500 000
KalPa 2 400 000
TPS 1 870 000
HIFK 3 100 000
Kärpät 3 000 000

Lowest budgets in general were, SaiPa with 1 550 000 and HPK with 1 800 000. If either of those were to get in, they'd be more than covered.

 

[Jussi]

But it's not yet European league. The culture of the league is very Russian. Jokerit is what is able to draw my interest. If they really want to come european league, the looks and feels of the league has to outplay national leagues. You can't force it, you would have to sell it to Europeans - and that's where it will fall probably. I will follow bit Russianish league after it has Finnish arena and organization in it, its not problem to me.. but it's problem to KHL if they want to be European wide league, and be on peoples hearts.

There's a lot of posters even here who have a team in KHL yet don't know whether it's a Russian or a European league.

 

[QnebO]

There's a lot of posters even here who have a team in KHL yet don't know whether it's a Russian or a European league.

So you think it's so clear, specially after Jokerit joins? It's just realism, it's not clearly a Russian league, but it's not a clear European league for sure. You can think otherwise, you would only be wrong, though. At this point, it's some sort of a mix and evolving.

 

[Jussi]

So you think it's so clear, specially after Jokerit joins? It's just realism, it's not clearly a Russian league, but it's not a clear European league for sure. You can think otherwise, you would only be wrong, though. At this point, it's some sort of a mix and evolving.

No, I'm just saying there is an air of schizophrenia around what the league is/should be.

 

[QnebO]

No, I'm just saying there is an air of schizophrenia around what the league is/should be.

It's league where teams from bit different cultures play and the mix forms the culture of the league. Now i'd say it's bit Russianish as most of the teams are Russians, but it can evolve. I don't think there is any schizophrenia, this so called multicultural -thing is nothing new or to scare for today even in Finland.

While there are bit difference's between teams cultures as they're from different countries, I don't think the mix couldn't work. It's not an issue here. I only wish more europeanish culture to the package to bring, to be honest, better TV-broadcasting ect and to get everything available at least in common language, english, and probably for team's national language. It should be KHL.com, not KHL.ru, sites should be modern and in english.. little things like that are what I hope.

KHL lead should know what they want to be, international or russian league. I think they have already chosen so now just keep evolving it. In scenario, where the lead of the league didin't know if it wants to be international or Russian league - that's what I would call schizophrenia, but I don't think it's the case.