Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XVII) (Released, Post 1)

[Tutu to]

tavares-crosby-carter
stamkos-giroux-st-louis
sharp-toews-nash
duchene-getzlaf-perry
bergeron, marleau

this was the perfect team

 

[Back in Black]

tavares-crosby-carter
stamkos-giroux-stamkos
sharp-toews-nash
duchene-getzlaf-perry
bergeron, marleau

this was the perfect team

I don't like that stamkos-giroux-stamkos line. Who is it, Stamkos father????

 

[Back in Black]

Luongo should start but be on a short leash. I think Price can bring this team to Gold. Don't let his stats recently fool you, the team in front of him is garbage.

I'd rather see Price start, but I think it's Lou's to lose.

Lou was an ok goalie with a great team in front of him in 2010

 

[Tutu to]

I don't like that stamkos-giroux-stamkos line. Who is it, Stamkos father????

stamkos-giroux-st-louis

my bad

 

[evolutionbaby]

That's the plan IMO and I'm fine with it.

Agreed with those saying Lu should start, but on a short leash

In a tournament like this, where there is so much talent at the position, this is usually the case. If goalies doesnt play well, you need to try your next option. Especially on these teams who's goalie situation is more of 1a-1c opposed to 1st-3rd string. There's very little room for error, you need to find the hot hand quickly

 

[y2kcanucks]

Re-watch the 2010 Gold medal game: Luongo forced the game to go into overtime when it should've ended after the 3rd.

A goalie who's knees buckle when the pressure is on shouldn't be the starter.

You're incorrect. Any goalie would have "forced" that game to go into overtime with how 2 American players were left alone untouched in front of the goal.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Yes, the fact that Luongo has generally played on a defensively superior team has nothing to do with the quality of shots he has faced and has no impact on his save percentage.

Beause Luongo has a habit of not being able to rise to the occasion and get his team the win. Examples include the game-tying-goal in the Gold Medal game in 2010, as well as being pulled twice in the most important series of his career, while giving up 8 goals in another game that series.

You didn't watch much of that gold medal game, or the 2011 SCF did you? Because I did and I can assuredly tell you that putting the blame on Luongo for any of those (including the gold medal game we won) is absurd.

 

[burf]

Re-watch the 2010 Gold medal game: Luongo forced the game to go into overtime when it should've ended after the 3rd.

A goalie who's knees buckle when the pressure is on shouldn't be the starter.

"Not clutch" is a dumb argument in the first place, but in this case it doesn't even make sense since Price has an even worse history than Luongo in "big games".

 

[Addison Rae]

People using the "good team" argument for Luongo is hilarious, isn't team Canada a good team? Why not play the goalie who's proven to play well behind a good team?

 

[Addison Rae]

I think you are being kind. He couldn't have caught a beach ball.

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I still don't want him on my team but Dion Phaneuf has really been playing well.

He stopped 34 of 36 shots and won the Gold Medal in that game.

But no you're right "he couldn't have caught a beach ball"

What an absolute joke.

 

[Pip]

You didn't watch much of that gold medal game, or the 2011 SCF did you? Because I did and I can assuredly tell you that putting the blame on Luongo for any of those (including the gold medal game we won) is absurd.

Luongo deserves a fair share of blame for the finals. Very inconsistent performance, would go from a stone wall to Swiss cheese from game to game.

 

[JackSlater]

No one seems to have a strong perspective on where he is. Even in the Tampa Bay forum, there is a lack of info.

Based on what I have read, it doesn't look good - but that changes from post to post / article to article / tweet to tweet.

Bob McKenzie heard your complaints KevyD and took to twitter:

All news on Steven Stamkos' 10-week X-ray (yesterday) believed to be very encouraging. He'll continue to ramp up on and off ice workouts.

How Stamkos responds to additional workload will determine return timeline but, so far anyway, he's trending in right direction. #Sochi2014

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/with_replies

I don't know...I think I'd rather MSL. then CG.

Yes, but I do not see St. Louis being picked just based on buzz around the team. Giroux should be one of the first two players selected regardless.

You didn't watch much of that gold medal game, or the 2011 SCF did you? Because I did and I can assuredly tell you that putting the blame on Luongo for any of those (including the gold medal game we won) is absurd.

People using the "good team" argument for Luongo is hilarious, isn't team Canada a good team? Why not play the goalie who's proven to play well behind a good team?

I don't mind Luongo starting is he is playing the best in February, and I appreciate his strong international reputation, but Luongo was shaky in 2010. Playing well or just adequate behind that great team should not be Canada's goal. Having a goaltender who can bail Canada out if they play poorly (as Luongo himself did in the semi finals of the 2004 Wold Cup...) should be the goal. In the gold medal game, USA barely had any quality chances despite their shot total. Even the Parise goal could have been avoided had Luongo not bobbled a routine puck and gotten a whistle.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Bob McKenzie heard your complaints KevyD and took to twitter:

All news on Steven Stamkos' 10-week X-ray (yesterday) believed to be very encouraging. He'll continue to ramp up on and off ice workouts.

How Stamkos responds to additional workload will determine return timeline but, so far anyway, he's trending in right direction. #Sochi2014

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/with_replies



Yes, but I do not see St. Louis being picked just based on buzz around the team. Giroux should be one of the first two players selected regardless.





I don't mind Luongo starting is he is playing the best in February, and I appreciate his strong international reputation, but Luongo was shaky in 2010. Playing well or just adequate behind that great team should not be Canada's goal. Having a goaltender who can bail Canada out if they play poorly (as Luongo himself did in the semi finals of the 2004 Wold Cup...) should be the goal. In the gold medal game, USA barely had any quality chances despite their shot total. Even the Parise goal could have been avoided had Luongo not bobbled a routine puck and gotten a whistle.

While I do think on merit he should have made the team, personally I'd like to see him on the team for sentimental reasons...I think he got shafted by a few of the coaches, probably Hitchcock and Julien. and FYI I am not a fan of either of these 2 coaches.

 

[JackSlater]

While I do think on merit he should have made the team, personally I'd like to see him on the team for sentimental reasons...I think he got shafted by a few of the coaches, probably Hitchcock and Julien. and FYI I am not a fan of either of these 2 coaches.

I think that on merit St. Louis belonged on both 2010 and 2014 teams, and I can only guess that the coaching staff dislikes something about his game. I understand that Canada wanted size in 2010 for better or worse, but this year confuses me. Even if they wanted goal scorers on the wing, which seems to be the model, St. Louis is currently on pace for 40 goals.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I think that on merit St. Louis belonged on both 2010 and 2014 teams, and I can only guess that the coaching staff dislikes something about his game. I understand that Canada wanted size in 2010 for better or worse, but this year confuses me. Even if they wanted goal scorers on the wing, which seems to be the model, St. Louis is currently on pace for 40 goals.

Agree!~ On another note..you and I grew up roughly in the same era (I think) when Gretz was king of the mountain... did we give a **** or use the term day in day and day out about 15 times a day "the greatest player in the world" like so many do now. I just don't remember giving it a 2nd thought then but today it's a preoccupation with so many younger fans. Of course there is a lot about younger fans I dislike.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Bob McKenzie heard your complaints KevyD and took to twitter:

All news on Steven Stamkos' 10-week X-ray (yesterday) believed to be very encouraging. He'll continue to ramp up on and off ice workouts.

How Stamkos responds to additional workload will determine return timeline but, so far anyway, he's trending in right direction. #Sochi2014

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/with_replies

Wew Hew!!

Watch... He will have a bad tournament and we will all be saying, "He should have stayed home!!!".

 

[TheFloater]

Additionally, TSN reports Stamkos is now doing light contact drills in practice- link here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=442148. So far so good!

 

[DyerMaker66*]

"Not clutch" is a dumb argument in the first place, but in this case it doesn't even make sense since Price has an even worse history than Luongo in "big games".

Except in the WJCs and Calder Cup, sure I guess he has a worse history in "big games".

 

[DyerMaker66*]

People using the "good team" argument for Luongo is hilarious, isn't team Canada a good team? Why not play the goalie who's proven to play well behind a good team?

Because he hasn't? He didn't play well in 2010 behind a good team and he couldn't make a save when his team needed it most in 2011.

 

[Uhmkay]

Because he hasn't? He didn't play well in 2010 behind a good team and he couldn't make a save when his team needed it most in 2011.

And when has Price? Oh wait, that's right. He's got an worse track record than Luongo.... by a mile.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

You're incorrect. Any goalie would have "forced" that game to go into overtime with how 2 American players were left alone untouched in front of the goal.

Except that wouldn't have happened if Luongo had caught the week floater that would've allowed his tired team to get a change and thereby kill the Yanks' possession, but really, who can expect ALL THAT out of an elite goaltender?

You didn't watch much of that gold medal game, or the 2011 SCF did you? Because I did and I can assuredly tell you that putting the blame on Luongo for any of those (including the gold medal game we won) is absurd.

See above: To blame anyone other than Luongo for that game-tying-goal is absurd. You didn't watch the ending of regulation, did you?

You also didn't watch Luongo give up 8 goals and put up a .789 sv% in one of the most important games of his career. Oh, I forgot: That's Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows, Christian Ehrhoff, and Kevin Bieksa's fault.

 

[Canucks LB]

If price starts against finland, and gets lit up like an xmas tree, don't go back and say that the coaches made the wrong decition not to start Luongo.

A guy like luongo has dominated in Olympic and international tourneys. If he does not start playoff #1 game, and price does, and price losses, oh man oh man.

 

[Wisp]

Because he hasn't? He didn't play well in 2010 behind a good team and he couldn't make a save when his team needed it most in 2011.

Somehow it was a 7 game series when his team only scored 7 goals. His team only scored a a goal per a game! They lost their best defensemen in Dan Hamhuis early in the first game. He had two shutouts. But it's his fault they lost?

In my opinion, it's intellectually dishonest to pretend Luongo was playing bad during the finals.

He wasn't lights out in the Olympics, but that performance was far from 'shaky.' I don't get it: is this just because no one want s to give the Americans credit? The Canadian defense still allowed 36 shots on goal for their vaunted superiority. That's 0.94 save percentage for Luongo.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

And when has Price? Oh wait, that's right. He's got an worse track record than Luongo.... by a mile.

As has been stated numerous times: 2007 WJCs, and 2007 Calder Cup. Diminish those accomlishments as you must, he still has more professional hockey championships than Luongo, while being named MVP of the playoffs? How is that track record worse than Luongo's?

 

[Wisp]

As has been stated numerous times: 2007 WJCs, and 2007 Calder Cup. Diminish those accomlishments as you must, he still has more professional hockey championships than Luongo, while being named MVP of the playoffs? How is that track record worse than Luongo's?

because that would make the assumption that Junior level competition scales in proportion to Olympic level competition as players age, which is incredibly silly assumption to make.

Dane Fox is on pace for a legendary OHL season but no one is predicting him to become a legendary NHL forward. Michal Neuvirth is also a Calder Cup Champ and playoff MVP, which tells you exactly how worthless that achievement is.