Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XVII) (Released, Post 1)

[DyerMaker66*]

You failed to mention that Price has failed to win games that even put his team in the position to be in the Stanley Cup finals... or win a big game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carey_Price

Price was named to Team Canada for the 2007 World Junior Championships in Sweden. He led Team Canada to a third consecutive gold medal and was named Tournament MVP and Top Goaltender after going 6-0 with 2 shutouts, a 1.14 GAA and .961 save percentage.

/"failed to win a big game"

Luongo has won the big game,,, several more bigger games than Price.

Name them: 2010 and then what? 10 years ago behind Brodeur? 10 years ago because his team never made the playoffs?

Luongo's had 2 shutouts in the Stanley Cup finals.... Price has never even had a sniff at the finals.

1) It's "Final"
2) Because Luongo's team has been far superior to Price's. No, it isn't all Luongo's doing.

In fact, what big game has Price EVER won?

2007 WJCs. 2007 Calder Cup - Price actually has won more professional hockey championships than Luongo. He was the MVP to boot.

I'd say Luongo's Resume >>>>> Price's resume.

I guess, as they say, "from a certain point of view", but "from a certain point of view" Luke's father was dead.

Luongo's time went by 4 years ago; it's time for him to move down the bench.

 

[Uhmkay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carey_Price

/"failed to win a big game"

Name them: 2010 and then what? 10 years ago behind Brodeur? 10 years ago because his team never made the playoffs?

1) It's "Final"
2) Because Luongo's team has been far superior to Price's. No, it isn't all Luongo's doing.


2007 WJCs. 2007 Calder Cup - Price actually has won more professional hockey championships than Luongo. He was the MVP to boot.

I guess, as they say, "from a certain point of view", but "from a certain point of view" Luke's father was dead.

Luongo's time went by 4 years ago; it's time for him to move down the bench.

Luongo was named best goalie at the 1999 World Jr championships.
Luongo Won gold at the 2003 World Championships as the starting goalie
Luogno Won gold at the 2004 World Championships as the starting goalie
Luongo Won gold at the 2010 Olympic games as the Starting goalie.

Luongo also won other Medals as backup to Brodeur where he always played well in the games he played in the tournaments including having to win the Semi Finals game when Brodeur announced just before the game that he couldn't go. Luongo stepped in and played extremely well.

Luongo was considered the best player and likely person to win the Conn Smythe for the Canucks in the 2011 Stanley cup finals where he posted 2 shutouts and won another game 2-1. The Canucks failed to win the Stanley Cup because their own players were shutout and only managed to score a total of 8 goals over 7 games, and record low, and Luongo STILL got them to game 7.

Luongo has an international record of 17-2 with a GAA of 1.94.

Price has never played for Team Canada after Jr's.
Price has only won ONCE playoff round, otherwise his playoff record is terrible... he hasn't had any success in 6 years, and ended up backing up for Halak.
And again... price has NEVER won a big game. Spengler Cups are not... BIG GAMES. Game 1 of the Stanley Cup playoffs in round 1 is a bigger game than that.

And you're comparing Price's Spengler cup to Luongo's resume.... ***** please.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Luongo was named best goalie at the 1999 World Jr championships.
Luongo Won gold at the 2003 World Championships as the starting goalie
Luogno Won gold at the 2004 World Championships as the starting goalie
Luongo Won gold at the 2010 Olympic games as the Starting goalie.

Those are not professional hockey championships. He is not a professional World Junior, a professional World Champion, or a professional Olympian.

Luongo also won other Medals as backup to Brodeur where he always played well in the games he played in the tournaments including having to win the Semi Finals game when Brodeur announced just before the game that he couldn't go. Luongo stepped in and played extremely well.

Good, he can continue to be Canada's back-up.

Luongo was considered the best player and likely person to win the Conn Smythe for the Canucks in the 2011 Stanley cup finals where he posted 2 shutouts and won another game 2-1. The Canucks failed to win the Stanley Cup because their own players were shutout and only managed to score a total of 8 goals over 7 games, and record low, and Luongo STILL got them to game 7.

By whom? Luongo was the only thing that kept them from winning because he couldn't make a save when his team needed him to, a trend that was also demonstrated in the 2010 Olympics.

Seems like only Canucks fans believe these lies.

Luongo has an international record of 17-2 with a GAA of 1.94.

That seems unlikely, seeing as he has 2 silvers and a bronze under his belt.

And you're comparing Price's Spengler cup to Luongo's resume.... ***** please.

Fun fact of the day: I never typed, nor referenced the Spengler Cup.

 

[Peen]

Dyer, I used to be part of the start CP crew, but your **** posts have switched me to the other side.

Your attempts in reasoning for why CP should start at the Olympics are all based on Luongo's history.

Since the 07-08 season (included) both teams have missed the playoffs once. The canucks had their team in 2011. Even though we were presidents in 2012, we honestly just took advantage of a weak division and ate **** in the playoffs. It's not like the Luongo's had a much better team to play in front of either.

I'd assumed (because of the media's hyping of him) CP had some amazing stats, not only this season, but seasons before as well. He's seriously only posted better numbers than Luongo once, and that was only barely, and also in a season where he played half the games...

Are you really using the argument of Luongo's three bad games in the finals as the reason why Luongo shouldn't start when CP has had less playoff success than Luongo? Luongo would have had to have had a 1gaa in the finals with the lack of canucks production to even think about a win.

Also, someone posted his international success as well.

Thanks for winning me over to the start Luongo side

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Luongo should start but be on a short leash. I think Price can bring this team to Gold. Don't let his stats recently fool you, the team in front of him is garbage.

 

[Mehar]

Luongo should start. Frankly watching Price the last week letting some soft goals in also was a factor in why Luongo should start, since Luongo has played very well of late as well. Should ride the hot hand for Sochi. All he did was be the goalie of a team that Won Gold in 2010 after all.

 

[Canucks LB]

People are delusional if they think price is going to start, Luongo has had ridiculous numbers for international games.

Bring up his NHL problems all you want, that was when he was a prima donna and had no mental toughness.

That was old news, Luongo has played fantastic this season, does not get rattled anymore, and is downright incredible in the past with team canada.

 

[ovenbaked]

I swear I got goose bumps reading about crosby asking toews about the captain spot. So cool man, +10000000 respect points for crosby.

 

[Wings4Life]

Starting Price seemed like a no-brainer just a few weeks ago. Now, it's up in the air.

Luongo has an international record of 17-2 with a GAA of 1.94.

Remarkable if true.

 

[crederer]

Hat-Trick for MSL today. He is trying to say, "Look what you left behind". Maybe, he's right.

Yah it'd be stupid not to play kunitz with crosby, don't think I even need to explain why. And Nash has a good overall game, has experience, and is one of the hottest players in the league right now. Benn and Subban are likely to see little time.

 

[simplysincere*]

Can someone please explain why Duchene made this team or even had a chance? Especially over the likes of St. Louis, Joe Thornton, and Giroux or even Hall?

How does Mike Smith make this team? He's had one good season in his entire carer, just one, and he's already 31. I understand Smith's team isn't the greatest, but his save percentage was only ever great once, just once.

Lastly, how do you justify Vlasic, Hamhuis, or even Bouwmeester over Seabrook. He's ahead of each of them in points, and is arguably better than all of them defensively. He's also got two Cups and a Gold Medal, more experience than those 3 combined. I understand, we need some left handed defensemen, but we have an equal amount of left handed defensemen and right handed defensemen on this team, so the lack of left handed is a myth. Heck, Seabrook should've at least been the last right handed defenseman chosen on this team, ahead of Subban. Subban has 35 points this season, Seabrook has 34. Seabrook has more experience once again (2 Cups + Gold > Subban's nothing) and is vastly superior to Subban defensively. Seabrook is a shutdown defenseman with offensive numbers, what more can you ask for? More importantly, the management staff, said the team they picked was all about chemistry. Sharp + Toews, Kunitz + Crosby, Perry + Getzlaf, Pietroangelo + Bouwmeester, and yet somehow, they leave off the best chemistry in the game, which is the best defensive duo in the game and has been for some time now, Keith + Seabrook. However, Perry and Seabrook should be on this team alone, regardless of chemistry.

 

[crederer]

Can someone please explain why Duchene made this team or even had a chance? Especially over the likes of St. Louis, Joe Thornton, and Giroux or even Hall?

How does Mike Smith make this team? He's had one good season in his entire carer, just one, and he's already 31. I understand Smith's team isn't the greatest, but his save percentage was only ever great once, just once.

Lastly, how do you justify Vlasic, Hamhuis, or even Bouwmeester over Seabrook. He's ahead of each of them in points, and is arguably better than all of them defensively. He's also got two Cups and a Gold Medal, more experience than those 3 combined. I understand, we need some left handed defensemen, but we have an equal amount of left handed defensemen and right handed defensemen on this team, so the lack of left handed is a myth. Heck, Seabrook should've at least been the last right handed defenseman chosen on this team, ahead of Subban. Subban has 35 points this season, Seabrook has 34. Seabrook has more experience once again (2 Cups + Gold > Subban's nothing) and is vastly superior to Subban defensively. Seabrook is a shutdown defenseman with offensive numbers, what more can you ask for? More importantly, the management staff, said the team they picked was all about chemistry. Sharp + Toews, Kunitz + Crosby, Perry + Getzlaf, Pietroangelo + Bouwmeester, and yet somehow, they leave off the best chemistry in the game, which is the best defensive duo in the game and has been for some time now, Keith + Seabrook. However, Perry and Seabrook should be on this team alone, regardless of chemistry.

Well bouwmeester is probably the best skater in the league, if not the best. I agree, if it was NHL rink I don't think I'd take him but the guy is going to skate circles around people. Seabrook's not the greatest skater, not bad but not great. I'm not all that familiar with vlasic or hamhuis as they don't televise their games often in my area but I hear they're both considered as reliable as anyone so I think they took em as a safe bet.

 

[simplysincere*]

Well bouwmeester is probably the best skater in the league, if not the best. I agree, if it was NHL rink I don't think I'd take him but the guy is going to skate circles around people. Seabrook's not the greatest skater, not bad but not great. I'm not all that familiar with vlasic or hamhuis as they don't televise their games often in my area but I hear they're both considered as reliable as anyone so I think they took em as a safe bet.

Skating is overrated, seriously. Sure, good skating is an advantage in one's tool belt, but just like anything else, talent or skill only brings you so far. Bouwmeester is not an offensive machine, nor is he a shutdown beast. His size and skating should translate into him being one of the best at either style, but his intelligence is just too weak, and we see it in his decisions on the ice.

Seabrook while he may be inferior to Bouwmeester in the skating department, is vastly more intelligent on the ice, and I'd take intelligence over skill or talent any day. Lidstrom was the best example of how intelligence is so important. He wasn't the biggest defenseman, wasn't the best skater, nor did he possess the hardest shot, but he was the most effective defenseman of his generation due to his intelligence alone.

Niedermayer was the only exceptionally gifted skater of a defenseman who possessed the same intelligence level as Lidstrom. Bouwmeester, you're right, is the best skater in the league, as well as Duchene, but if they don't give you the result, then their natural gifts are irrelevant.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Dyer, I used to be part of the start CP crew, but your **** posts have switched me to the other side.

Yeah, I switched a Canucks fan to Luongo's side with my "**** posts". My god, you Canucks fans are delusional.

Your attempts in reasoning for why CP should start at the Olympics are all based on Luongo's history.

Yeah, I guess, except for when I pointed out Prices history. But please tell me what else we are supposed to go on? Are we supposed to ignore Fleury's history and start him instead?

"**** posts" indeed.

Since the 07-08 season (included) both teams have missed the playoffs once. The canucks had their team in 2011. Even though we were presidents in 2012, we honestly just took advantage of a weak division and ate **** in the playoffs. It's not like the Luongo's had a much better team to play in front of either.

You really believe that throughout most of Price's tenure in Montreal that the Canucks haven't had a much better team?

I'd assumed (because of the media's hyping of him) CP had some amazing stats, not only this season, but seasons before as well. He's seriously only posted better numbers than Luongo once, and that was only barely, and also in a season where he played half the games...

Yes: The Toronto-loving, Canuck-cheering media has nothing better to do but hype Carey Price. Again, it's me with the "**** posts".

Are you really using the argument of Luongo's three bad games in the finals as the reason why Luongo shouldn't start when CP has had less playoff success than Luongo?

Carey Price also doesn't play for one of the best teams in the league and Carey Price has actually won a professional hockey championship, unlike Luongo.

Yeah! What kind of person looks at a player's history in big games and comes up with a reasonable opinion on the player based off that history? We should just keep stating that Price

Luongo would have had to have had a 1gaa in the finals with the lack of canucks production to even think about a win.

Perhaps if Luongo hadn't put up an 8-spot in game 3 his team's offence wouldn't have become so anemic.

Also, someone posted his international success as well.

Oh, he can win behind a stacked Team Canada? What a great player he is.

Thanks for winning me over to the start Luongo side

Thanks for demonstrating the bias that already exists in a Canucks' fan's mind.

 

[Brock Boeser]

Yeah, I switched a Canucks fan to Luongo's side with my "**** posts". My god, you Canucks fans are delusional.



Yeah, I guess, except for when I pointed out Prices history. But please tell me what else we are supposed to go on? Are we supposed to ignore Fleury's history and start him instead?

"**** posts" indeed.



You really believe that throughout most of Price's tenure in Montreal that the Canucks haven't had a much better team?



Yes: The Toronto-loving, Canuck-cheering media has nothing better to do but hype Carey Price. Again, it's me with the "**** posts".


Carey Price also doesn't play for one of the best teams in the league and Carey Price has actually won a professional hockey championship, unlike Luongo.

Yeah! What kind of person looks at a player's history in big games and comes up with a reasonable opinion on the player based off that history? We should just keep stating that Price



Perhaps if Luongo hadn't put up an 8-spot in game 3 his team's offence wouldn't have become so anemic.


Oh, he can win behind a stacked Team Canada? What a great player he is.



Thanks for demonstrating the bias that already exists in a Canucks' fan's mind.

Lol if your gonna argue for Price atleast do it right. Bringing up an AHL championship as a reason to start him is madness.

 

[Canucks LB]

Did he seriously bring up an AHL championship to validate his opinion?, really?

 

[Barney Gumble]

Lol if your gonna argue for Price atleast do it right. Bringing up an AHL championship as a reason to start him is madness.

Clearly Jason Krog > Sidney Crosby

 

[GWNR]

I actually am Pro-Price for starting, but anyone who says Lou shouldn't start at first is 100% wrong. It happens at every tournament. The person with the best resume starts first, then the backup gets a chance and then the hottest of the two plays.

Take away any other international tournament and all you need is the 2010 olympics to prove Lou should start first.

Does this make him better than Price? No.

 

[Barney Gumble]

I actually am Pro-Price for starting, but anyone who says Lou shouldn't start at first is 100% wrong. It happens at every tournament. The person with the best resume starts first, then the backup gets a chance and then the hottest of the two plays.

Correct answer.

 

[sonnytheman]

I'm a Canadiens fan and a huge fan of Carey Price, but I can't find any reason why Luongo shouldn't start. Unless he has a terrible next few weeks, or has some sort of minor injury, I'm expecting him to be the starter.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Lol if your gonna argue for Price atleast do it right. Bringing up an AHL championship as a reason to start him is madness.

Yes, professional hockey championships don't matter but World Champioships do.

Did he seriously bring up an AHL championship to validate his opinion?, really?

I know right? Clearly professional hockey championships hold no ground here. Clearly asking "really?" after one poses a question validates said question.
Or to put it your way: Did someone honestly just disregard a professional hockey championship when referring to "playoff success" and "big games"?

I actually am Pro-Price for starting, but anyone who says Lou shouldn't start at first is 100% wrong. It happens at every tournament. The person with the best resume starts first, then the backup gets a chance and then the hottest of the two plays.

That's what will happen; it isn't what should happen. Brodeur shouldn't have been the starter in 2010 and Luongo shouldn't be the starter in Sochi.

Take away any other international tournament and all you need is the 2010 olympics to prove Lou should start first.

Why? How does Luongo looking terrible in the gold medal game prove he should start first?

Does this make him better than Price? No.

Agreed.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

I'm a Canadiens fan and a huge fan of Carey Price, but I can't find any reason why Luongo shouldn't start. Unless he has a terrible next few weeks, or has some sort of minor injury, I'm expecting him to be the starter.

Re-watch the 2010 Gold medal game: Luongo forced the game to go into overtime when it should've ended after the 3rd.

A goalie who's knees buckle when the pressure is on shouldn't be the starter.

 

[SidGenoMario]

MAF should be the starter.

 

[SquishtheBoudreau]

I distinctly remember that Lou did not look good during the 2010 gold medal game. He just seemed like he was fighting the puck the entire game, and that made me very nervous.

Assuming they split the two games before Finland, I really hope that Price looks better in his start and gets the Finland game and then gets the starts from there.

We hopefully don't need our goalie to win any games for us, but just need our goalie to not lose any given game for us. I just have an intuition that says Price will be better under pressure even if he is not able to steal a game.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Re-watch the 2010 Gold medal game: Luongo forced the game to go into overtime when it should've ended after the 3rd.

A goalie who's knees buckle when the pressure is on shouldn't be the starter.

Amen, brother.

MAF should be the starter.

Good God.

I distinctly remember that Lou did not look good during the 2010 gold medal game. He just seemed like he was fighting the puck the entire game, and that made me very nervous.

I think you are being kind. He couldn't have caught a beach ball.

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I still don't want him on my team but Dion Phaneuf has really been playing well.