Olympics: 2014 — Canada Roster Discussion (Part XVII) (Released, Post 1)

[MyNameIsNobody*]

That's what will happen, but it shouldn't happen.

And who do you suggest?

Price has been terrible these past 3 weeks and has been getting worse and wors as the season progresses (look up his numbers) I was his number 1 backer for team Canada, but i now believe that he must be hurt...

I don't find any other reason for his horrible play...other than the defense sucking....

Someone stated that Harding is the hottest Canadian goalie? well, i hope TC are scouting him

 

[K2MyEverest]

And who do you suggest?

Price has been terrible these past 3 weeks and has been getting worse and wors as the season progresses (look up his numbers) I was his number 1 backer for team Canada, but i now believe that he must be hurt...

I don't find any other reason for his horrible play...other than the defense sucking....

Someone stated that Harding is the hottest Canadian goalie? well, i hope TC are scouting him

You clearly talking over your head... Habs D-Corps has been terrible these past few weeks. Everybody's watching the Habs play knows what I'm talking about. Price can't do everything by himself.

 

[Wisp]

The fact that people believe Babcock won't give him the chance to defend his position is absurd imo.

Babcock's is probably Luongo's biggest proponent. He's won three golds with him, is always singing his praises, and honestly, it seemed like he was looking for the first opportunity he could to turf Brodeur in 2010.

 

[Addison Rae]

That gaa and sp were a result of the stacked team in front of him playing up to their capability. Please stop acting like he was some sort of saviour for Team Canada.

I really don't know how many more times I have to tell you this: Giving up 4+ goals wasn't leading his team anywhere.

You mean playing behind a better team than either of those two he ended up with better results? Go figure. It's almost like better teams do a better job of limiting the chances against their goalies, but nah clearly Montreal and Phoenix were better than Team Canada and Vancouver.

So you're contradicting yourself, I mentioned above Luongo gets the job done on good teams and you refuted that, now you're back tracking? In essence he was a 'savior' Canada didn't win a single game in regulation without Luongo, stop acting like he was awful when he outplayed arguably the best goalie of all time.

How about the fact he was able to win 3 games in a series where his team scored only 8 goals in 7 games? Vancouver won 2 games where they scored only 1 goal, without tremendous goaltending by Luongo they likely lose in 5.

Luongo is better at stopping hockey pucks, and has never lost an elimination game for Canada, could you possible provide an argument for Price?

 

[Addison Rae]

That's what will happen, but it shouldn't happen.

And why's that?

 

[DyerMaker66*]

And why's that?

Because despite all evidence to the contrary, the NHL likes to stick with the previous Olympic's starter.
See: Brodeur starting in 2010 despite being over the hill. Their other strategy is to pick overrated goaltenders from Canadian teams such as Cujo, and Luongo. They follow the same script they always have, and then they wonder why they look brutal to start tournaments.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Because despite all evidence to the contrary, the NHL likes to stick with the previous Olympic's starter.
See: Brodeur starting in 2010 despite being over the hill. Their other strategy is to pick overrated goaltenders from Canadian teams such as Cujo, and Luongo. They follow the same script they always have, and then they wonder why they look brutal to start tournaments.

What's the evidence? Price has never won anything meaningful in man's game while Luongo has Olympic gold and was one win away from Stanley Cup. Price has .915 career save percentage, Luongo - .919; Price's is .918 this season, Luongo's .924; Price conceded 21 goal in his last 5 starts, Luongo - 5 in his 3 starts after the injury. Sure, a lot of evidence here.

And so many people calling Luongo overrated actually makes him underrated.

 

[Uhmkay]

Price ***** the bed AGAIN tonight and gets pulled...

 

[albator71]

I know that the Habs D is really awful right now, but Price is not winning any games for them lately. I would be more confident starting Luongo then Price at the moment.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Duchene better soon get off his *** and start netting some goals. 1 in the last 17?

 

[Addison Rae]

Because despite all evidence to the contrary, the NHL likes to stick with the previous Olympic's starter.
See: Brodeur starting in 2010 despite being over the hill. Their other strategy is to pick overrated goaltenders from Canadian teams such as Cujo, and Luongo. They follow the same script they always have, and then they wonder why they look brutal to start tournaments.

Good to see you completely ignore my other post, which asked you to provide a reason on why Price should start over Luongo. I provided mine, Luongo is better at stopping hockey pucks, and has never lost an elimination game for team Canada. Luongo has 1 Olympic Gold Medal, 2 World Championship Gold Medals, a World Cup and one win away from the Stanley Cup. He was one win away from being the first goalie ever to be in the triple gold club, but you're telling me he doesn't have a good record when the stakes are high? Do you understand how utterly ridiculous this sounds, especially when the guy your defending has done nothing at the pro level.

Being one of the best goalies of your generation doesn't make you overrated.

 

[McStimperi]

What do you guys think of the powerplay units? One or two defensemen per unit, and who will those be? Weber, Subban...?

 

[Macman]

Duchene better soon get off his *** and start netting some goals. 1 in the last 17?

I wouldn't worry about him. I haven't seen all his games lately, but he seems to be getting a ton of chances. I know against Toronto, Bernier was the only reason he didn't have three or four goals.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I wouldn't worry about him. I haven't seen all his games lately, but he seems to be getting a ton of chances. I know against Toronto, Bernier was the only reason he didn't have three or four goals.

1 in 17 is not a stat I like. slumps are fine, but that's stretching it out too long..he's not there just for the experience and to soak it all in and he's not there for his solid defensive game...he has to contribute to the offense...so he better get off his noodle and do it. I tend to overreact to everything anyway. I've had him off and on the team 3 times leading up to Jan. 7.

 

[MyNameIsNobody*]

You clearly talking over your head... Habs D-Corps has been terrible these past few weeks. Everybody's watching the Habs play knows what I'm talking about. Price can't do everything by himself.

What?

I agree with the Habs defense being garbage the last 3 weeks, but a goalie should not be pulled for the 2nd time in 3 games, and with 4 goals on 15 shots...no matter how bad the defense is...


This actually worries me, and i have never seen him play like this except for last year near the end of the season....he was hurt....so this is why i tend to believe he is hurt now...

 

[JackSlater]

What do you guys think of the powerplay units? One or two defensemen per unit, and who will those be? Weber, Subban...?

Two defencemen please. Canada has enough defencemen who are elite offensively to avoid sacrificing some safety for extra offence.

Stamkos Crosby Nash
Weber Keith

Getzlaf Tavares Perry
Subban Doughty

Something like that could work, with Perry and Nash as net presences. Crosby and Tavares should be the PP playmakers, so they get the centre spots. Stamkos is obvious as a sniper, but unfortunately Canada is a big lacking here for the second unit. I picked Getzlaf because he has been good on the PP this year and has been scoring goals, but it could easily have been someone like Marleau, Carter or Sharp. The defence seems obvious to me.

 

[xxxx]

Duchene better soon get off his *** and start netting some goals. 1 in the last 17?

Duchene is ok, imo. Could be better in terms of goals fur sure, but he can make the plays as well and his speed and overall skating will sure make some additional scoring chances.

Good think is, Carter and Nash have been playing well lately.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

What?

I agree with the Habs defense being garbage the last 3 weeks, but a goalie should not be pulled for the 2nd time in 3 games, and with 4 goals on 15 shots...no matter how bad the defense is...


This actually worries me, and i have never seen him play like this except for last year near the end of the season....he was hurt....so this is why i tend to believe he is hurt now...

But Luongo can give up four 4 goal games in a in a 7 game stretch it's all cool.

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Good to see you completely ignore my other post, which asked you to provide a reason on why Price should start over Luongo.

I've stated it numerous times: He's the better goalie. Whether you choose to agree or simply ignore what I've typed is your own problem.

I provided mine, Luongo is better at stopping hockey pucks,

4 GAA in the 4 most important games of his career.

and has never lost an elimination game for team Canada.

2005 World Championships (but we'll just ignore that so it can fit your argument).

Luongo has 1 Olympic Gold Medal, 2 World Championship Gold Medals, a World Cup and one win away from the Stanley Cup.

The past has nothing to do with who should start next month, as has been demonstrated to you numerous times through my suggestion of starting Brodeur because of his "history".

He was one win away from the Stanley Cup because of the team he played on: Fleury has a Stanley Cup, does that mean he should start in Sochi?

I love that you used tournaments from 10 years ago to back-up your opinion that Luongo should start, though.

He was one win away from being the first goalie ever to be in the triple gold club, but you're telling me he doesn't have a good record when the stakes are high?

Brodeur was one win away from being the first goalie ever to be in the triple gold club in 2005, and what does that really mean in the end?

Yes, when he puts up a 4 spot in 4 of the games needed to get him into that club.

Do you understand how utterly ridiculous this sounds, especially when the guy your defending has done nothing at the pro level.

Yes, it's ridiculous that a guy who not only crapped the bed 4 times in the SCF, but nearly cost Team Canada the gold medal with his terrible glove shouldn't start for Team Canada. While a guy who has actually won professional hockey championships, while being the MVP of the playoffs has done "nothing at the pro level".

Being one of the best goalies of your generation doesn't make you overrated.

He may be one of the best goalies of his generation, but his generation ended in 2012.

 

[MyNameIsNobody*]

But Luongo can give up four 4 goal games in a in a 7 game stretch it's all cool.

What i am saying is we need to re evaluate our goalie situations, if both luongo and price are hurt, we need to change them

We cant take Price or luongo if they are not 100%

Example:

Harding at 100% >>>>> Price at 90%
Crawford at 100% >>>>> Luongo at 90%

Price at 100% >>>>> any other Canadian Goalie
Luongo at 100% >>>> any other Canadian goalie not named price...

 

[DyerMaker66*]

What i am saying is we need to re evaluate our goalie situations, if both luongo and price are hurt, we need to change them

We cant take Price or luongo if they are not 100%

Example:

Harding at 100% >>>>> Price at 90%
Crawford at 100% >>>>> Luongo at 90%

Understandable, though I would still take Price as a 3rd if it came to that.

Price at 100% >>>>> any other Canadian Goalie
Luongo at 100% >>>> any other Canadian goalie not named price...

I disagree with that but Yzerman doesn't seem to, so we'll see what happens.

 

[Mehar]

The way Price is playing right now in the past two weeks i seen him play, and the terrible goals he has allowed, there is no chance in hell he should be starting over Luongo right now. I watched Vancouver play a couple of times this past week, and Luongo was excellent. Frankly, i just do not understand the hate that this guy

gets sometimes seeing that he has been a very good goalie for so many years. His track record of playing for Canada speaks for itself. What has Price accomplished that is comparable to Luongo in the NHL, especially in some of the playoff games for Montreal when he had allowed bad goals and bad times? Luongo should be the starter. Wish Harding was an option as well.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

The way Price is playing right now in the past two weeks i seen him play, and the terrible goals he has allowed, there is no chance in hell he should be starting over Luongo right now. I watched Vancouver play a couple of times this past week, and Luongo was excellent. Frankly, i just do not understand the hate that this guy

gets sometimes seeing that he has been a very good goalie for so many years. His track record of playing for Canada speaks for itself. What has Price accomplished that is comparable to Luongo in the NHL, especially in some of the playoff games for Montreal when he had allowed bad goals and bad times? Luongo should be the starter. Wish Harding was an option as well.

I agree. Sadly, Luongo is the man and I'd be lying if I said it didn't worry me.

 

[Barney Gumble]

You clearly talking over your head... Habs D-Corps has been terrible these past few weeks. Everybody's watching the Habs play knows what I'm talking about. Price can't do everything by himself.

The Canucks have hardly been playing better (with the exception of the goaltending).

 

[Uhmkay]

2005 World Championships (but we'll just ignore that so it can fit your argument).

LOL, Luongo didn't play in the 2005 World Championship final game. Brodeur was the goalie. So yeah, Luongo has never lost an international elimination game in all of them that he's play.

Now it's obvious you're trolling AND don't know what you're talking about.