Speculation: 2013 Off-Season Speculation/Be a GM Thread II

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Horton is a fit for sure but he's going to command an upwards of $5M per. He's a first line player in the right situation, an excellent second liner otherwise. Right handed shot, has size, can shoot the puck. Six 20+ goal seasons. He's also had two great playoff runs. 29 points in 33 playoff games.

I'd steer clear from Horton, though. Would rather not overpay someone with a history of injuries and inconsistency.

I'd stay away from Filppula/Horton/Bickell/etc period. None of these "bigger names" (that's pathetic, lol) that are going to cash in on lucrative long terms deals.

As mentioned, Ryder is a fit. Goal scoring RW. Right handed shot. Vet player. Damien Brunner is also a UFA. He's coming off a solid 'rookie' season for Detroit. Right handed shooter, plays RW. 12 goals and 26 points in 44 games. Mason Raymond is an interesting name, but he's a LWer. Wouldn't make sense unless Zuccarello wasn't brought back (he should be IMO, and either way, Raymond isn't a viable top-6 forward). As a last resort, Lattendresse is an intriguing name. I've been high on this guy for the past few years, but injuries have derailed his career. He's big, has great hands, is fast, and goes to the net. No harm in giving him a cheap, one year deal if all else fails.

 

[aufheben]

If we're filling spots through FA, they're gonna be overpaid 9/10 times.

 

[Raspewtin]

feel like this is another pipe dream but any chance in hell we can put together a package to trade for Edmonton's 7th overall pick? Heard they're very high on Del Zotto, and wow does Edmonton need defense badly. They don't need that pick, and MacT knows it, we have a great chance here, this sound like a good idea?

 

[I Eat Crow]

feel like this is another pipe dream but any chance in hell we can put together a package to trade for Edmonton's 7th overall pick? Heard they're very high on Del Zotto, and wow does Edmonton need defense badly. They don't need that pick, and MacT knows it, we have a great chance here, this sound like a good idea?

I'd do the 7th pick straight up provided Monahan, Nichushkin, or Ristolainen are on the board. Those would be the guys I'm highest on that would be available around there. The condition is that it would need to be someone that would be able to step in right away. I wouldn't trade Del Zotto for futures.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'd do the 7th pick straight up provided Monahan, Nichushkin, or Ristolainen are on the board. Those would be the guys I'm highest on that would be available around there. The condition is that it would need to be someone that would be able to step in right away. I wouldn't trade Del Zotto for futures.

Nichushkin intrigues me the most, has sky high potential to be a top 10 goal scorer. I really want the rangers to stay the hell away from free agency. No depth at all, so many players bound to get overpaid, it's crap. Would rather try to land a great draft pick to fill in for the top 6 rather an someone like Ryder. I agree though no trading for future, we need help now.

 

[BBKers]

Say goodbye to Broadway Brad - we hardly knew ya but your fee was exhorborant
Resign RFAs McD, Stepan, Hagelin and MZA
Resign UFA Eminger
Resign Clowe at 2 years at 3,5 M. Maybe give him 3 years at same cap hit
Trade MDZ, Pyatt and a prospect for Big Buff and a pick
Trade Powe at the draft for a Lowe pick ( goalie available ??)
Take a chance on Weiss and sign for 3,1 M for 2 years
Huge amount of talent in the NYR pipeline ready to move up

Drop the puck Chuck

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($3.300m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.500m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.600m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Stephen Weiss ($3.100m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Arron Asham ($1.000m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($4.200m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Dustin Byfuglien ($5.200m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

OTHER
Buyout: Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $64,083,333
BONUSES: $837,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,054,167

 

[RangerBoy]

If you count to 7,one of the top forwards will be available. Whether its the Russian Finn or the Russian kid or the Swede or Monahan,one of them will be there. There are players in this draft who will be playing in the league in 13-14. Some people have such a narrow view. The Rangers can't trade DZ for futures because the Rangers need to win right now. Look at the Rangers roster. They aren't winning with this offense. Look at the remaining teams. Sather has. Don't look at free agency. Henrik is 31. He signs an 8 year extension. It takes him to 40. The young player the Rangers take at #7 will be a Ranger for the next 9 years of Henrik's career.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers swap DZ for #7. They swap #65 and #75 for a 2nd. They have their 3rd and 4th. They have picks in the first 4 rounds.

 

[GarretJoseph*]

Not saying this is the way I wanna go but for ***** and giggles what if Sather blows half the freaking thing up.

1. Marc Staal & Taylor Pyatt to Carolina for 2013 5th overall draft pick.
2. Michael Del Zotto to Edmonton for 2013 7th overall draft pick & 2014 3rd rounder.
3. Buy out Brad Richards
4. Let Hamrlik, Clowe, Eminger and Gilroy all walk.
5. Resign McDonagh & Stepan to a long term contracts.
6. Resign Zuccarello & Hagelin to 2-3 year deals.
7. Darroll Powe to San Jose for 2014 3rd & 5th round picks.
8. Brian Boyle to Boston Bruins for 2014 2nd & 3rd round picks.
9. Arron Asham to Florida for a 2014 7th round pick.
10. Sign UFA Jarome Iginla to a 2 year deal.
11. Sign UFA Mark Streit to a 2-3 year deal.


NASH ---- STEPAN ----- IGINLA
KREIDER --- BRASSARD ---- CALLAHAN
HAGELIN ---- JT MILLER ---- ZUCCARELLO
HRIVIK --- LINDBERG ----- DORSETT

McDonagh ---- Streit
Moore ----- Girardi
Mcilrath --- Stralman

HANKS
BIRON

 

[Ola]

The Rangers swap DZ for #7. They swap #65 and #75 for a 2nd. They have their 3rd and 4th. They have picks in the first 4 rounds.

I dissagree for three stand alone reasons.

(1/3)

We have talked about making good hockey trades, there are no guarantees that trading MDZ for the 7th overall pick is a good hockey trade.

Last 10 forwards picked at 7 with time to establish themselves:
Jeff Skinner
Nazem Kadri
Colin Wilson
Jakub Voracek
Kyle Okposo
Rostislav Olesz
Joffrey Lupul
Kris Beech
Manny Malhotra
Erik Rasmussen

Other than Skinner (who could be pretty overrated), would we trade MDZ for any of those players? History never lies RB. What are the odds here, 10% for a good trade (Skinner); 30% for a avg return (Kadri, Voracek and Lupul); 30% for us loosing the trade but still getting something (Okpo, Manny and Olez), and 30% for us getting more or less nothing (Wilson (?), Beech and Rasmussen).

Seems like a lottery ticket at best.

I've seen alot of the kids mentioned, they are good, but they are on par with the kids mentioned above. I wouldn't trade MDZ for Lindholm or Barkov. I actually like JT Miller a bit better than both Lindholm and Barkov (although the later could prove me wrong in near time).

 

[Ola]

The Rangers swap DZ for #7. They swap #65 and #75 for a 2nd. They have their 3rd and 4th. They have picks in the first 4 rounds.

(2/3)

We haven't had a good PPQB since Leetch. And I am not saying that we haven't had a Leetch since Leetch, besides Poti and Kim J and Schneider, we basically haven't had any real PPQBs and those three all had their issues here, Kim J was really young.

We need to stop messing around with our PP and offensive punck from blueline. Its crippling our organization. You need an offensive punch from the blueline to open things up. If the teams playing us only have to worry about our punch down low, they can shut us down there and that just hurts our young forwards and experienced forwards. Everyone face alot more pressure when they don't get stats etc.

Our lack of PPQB is like Philly's lack of goaltender. We laugh at them, but we got our own problem here.

PPQB's are available. Its just a matter of price (I mean, if we dangle Hagelin/Kreider, MDZ/Moore/Staal, and Fasth/Lindberg/Thomas, I am fairly sure we could get a decent PPQB).

 

[iamitter]

I dissagree for three stand alone reasons.

(1/3)

We have talked about making good hockey trades, there are no guarantees that trading MDZ for the 7th overall pick is a good hockey trade.

Last 10 forwards picked at 7 with time to establish themselves:
Jeff Skinner
Nazem Kadri
Colin Wilson
Jakub Voracek
Kyle Okposo
Rostislav Olesz
Joffrey Lupul
Kris Beech
Manny Malhotra
Erik Rasmussen

Other than Skinner (who could be pretty overrated), would we trade MDZ for any of those players? History never lies RB. What are the odds here, 10% for a good trade (Skinner); 30% for a avg return (Kadri, Voracek and Lupul); 30% for us loosing the trade but still getting something (Okpo, Manny and Olez), and 30% for us getting more or less nothing (Wilson (?), Beech and Rasmussen).

Seems like a lottery ticket at best.

I've seen alot of the kids mentioned, they are good, but they are on par with the kids mentioned above. I wouldn't trade MDZ for Lindholm or Barkov. I actually like JT Miller a bit better than both Lindholm and Barkov (although the later could prove me wrong in near time).

You like Miller better than Barkov? The 17 year old with a polished defensive game who just nearly put up a PPG in the FEL?

Even if the kid completely busts, he's a third line center. Heck, he's a third line center next year. He's probably one of the most polished kids in the draft while being one of the youngest.

 

[Ola]

(3/3)

With an offensive punch form the blueline, a decent coach, and a improvement or two offensively, we could definitely get the offensive punch of say LAK or Boston.

We can contend with the fundamentals of this roster and a decent coach, that I am fairly sure of.

The other teams in this cap environment is just not that good either. They face some tough decisions too. And so forth. Its just much more about putting it together as a team than having those 1-2 super stars offensively. The Caps have AO, Bäckström and Green.

We have alot of assets at hand already, and got room to adjust this team for the new coach. It could take some time, yes, but if we do the right things for the coming year or two, we could become pretty hard to beat.

 

[Ola]

You like Miller better than Barkov? The 17 year old with a polished defensive game who just nearly put up a PPG in the FEL?

Even if the kid completely busts, he's a third line center. Heck, he's a third line center next year. He's probably one of the most polished kids in the draft while being one of the youngest.

I like JT Miller alot. Barkov look good in Finland but finnish hockey does not look good nor finns coming out of it. Right now.

Barkov could definitely prove me wrong, no doubt about it. So could Lindholm. But lets not sell JT Miller short here either.

People always go nuts on draftpicks this time of the year. We had a 10th overall pick three years ago, how much has that kid helped Hank so far? Its 2013 today, you don't pick at 7 and expect help for real before 2016. Anything else is a recipe for disaster. Hank is 35 in 2016...

 

[pld459666]

Why?


The top two lines are set. The Defense is pretty much set. The Goalie gives the team a chance to win every game. How can you think that team isn't a contender, after making it to the ECF last year, after the 2nd round this year? (with awful special teams)

So, what new players are going to hold the team back? Why can't the team learn a new system? Are these stupid players? Are the core players over the hill?

Contending is "pretty much" out of the question? That's just amazing to actually see in writing. The Rangers aren't void of talent. This isn't 2002-2003, we haven't turned the clock back. They are a contender going into next season with the right coach and improvements on special teams. If the Rangers played the exact same system and had dominant special teams they aren't just a contender they might win the Stanley Cup. I'm not even going out on a limb saying that. Will it all come together? Who knows, but it's June 1st and we are already writing off next season, before a coach is named, before any trades are made, before free agency, before training camp, before pre-season games, before the season starts and lineup adjustments are made, before everything involved.....I don't know if I want to laugh or cry...

To soft at the top six. Don't trust Stepan to be a #1 center over an 82 game stretch. Aside from Nash and to a lesser extent Callahan we have no consistent scoring threat from the top 6

To slow and not enough talent at the bottom 6.

No PPQB. regardless of how talented MDZ may look, he's shown no ability to make the right decisions at that role.

Passive players populate the line up aside from a guy like Dorsett

Unless the above are corrected AND the teams grasps the new coaches concept early, contending is a pipe dream.

 

[Roo Returns]

Ola and BBkers interesting that you two have done lineups without Fast.

I think with Cally and Hagelin missing time, it will really increase his chances starting the season with the big club as long as he does the work this summer and builds some more muscle so he can play his style and not worry about getting nicked up.

If he has a good camp, I think he starts with the Rangers and not the Pack.

Thoughts?

 

[pld459666]

Why?


The top two lines are set. The Defense is pretty much set. The Goalie gives the team a chance to win every game. How can you think that team isn't a contender, after making it to the ECF last year, after the 2nd round this year? (with awful special teams)

So, what new players are going to hold the team back? Why can't the team learn a new system? Are these stupid players? Are the core players over the hill?

Contending is "pretty much" out of the question? That's just amazing to actually see in writing. The Rangers aren't void of talent. This isn't 2002-2003, we haven't turned the clock back. They are a contender going into next season with the right coach and improvements on special teams. If the Rangers played the exact same system and had dominant special teams they aren't just a contender they might win the Stanley Cup. I'm not even going out on a limb saying that. Will it all come together? Who knows, but it's June 1st and we are already writing off next season, before a coach is named, before any trades are made, before free agency, before training camp, before pre-season games, before the season starts and lineup adjustments are made, before everything involved.....I don't know if I want to laugh or cry...

Yes you are.

The rangers got exploited in the Boston series for being to soft, to passive and overall not good enough.

 

[RangerBoy]

This is a better draft than 2010 and some of the other drafts. The Rangers need a top young forward. They should use DZ to get one. End of story.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

This is a better draft than 2010 and some of the other drafts. The Rangers need a top young forward. They should use DZ to get one. End of story.

Not that I disagree but... Can we afford to move MDZ with Staal's uncertainty regarding his eye, and possible interest joining his brothers?

Ola brings up some terrific points too.

40 pt dmen for potential forward who what, has 60 point upside?

I don't move MDZ unless we plan on moving further down than 7.

 

[Fitzy]

How can you categorize Voracek and Kadri as average?

I'd absolutely trade MDZ for either of them.

 

[Leetch3]

Not that I disagree but... Can we afford to move MDZ with Staal's uncertainty regarding his eye, and possible interest joining his brothers?

Ola brings up some terrific points too.

40 pt dmen for potential forward who what, has 60 point upside?

I don't move MDZ unless we plan on moving further down than 7.

i think moore can be a top 4 guy on the left also so we definitely have some good depth there to work with...but another big question is how much was mdz's game helped or hurt by torts style of play.

is he a 40 points guy regardless of the system and thats all he'll be? or is he a guy that could see a big increase in production as part of a more aggressive offensive system and with a better pp.

 

[broadwayblue]

This is a better draft than 2010 and some of the other drafts. The Rangers need a top young forward. They should use DZ to get one. End of story.

Really don't think you've thought this through. End of story.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

This is a better draft than 2010 and some of the other drafts. The Rangers need a top young forward. They should use DZ to get one. End of story.

I can see them making this move and trying to sign Streit to replace Del Zotto's offense.

 

[Trunkmaster]

I seriously think Slats should sign this guy Jimmie Ericsson brother of Detroits Jonathan Ericsson. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=1103

A 4th line guy that would do anything for the team. His heart and soul is always with the team no matter where he plays.
This guy would do the Rangers good. I know he's 33 but we need some leadership besides Callahan. To be honest he's an older Callahan.

 

[Son of Steinbrenner]

Yes you are.

The rangers got exploited in the Boston series for being to soft, to passive and overall not good enough.

And the Rangers are going to ice the EXACT same lineup next season? They have nothing to build around? Hank doesn't give them a chance to in every night? A new system and better Special Teams won't help?