They should go with Simms for the rest of the season. If you continue to play Geno, whatever is left of his confidence will probably be shot, and he's also likely to get hurt.
2013-2014 NFL Thread IV (Giants firing Gilbride? Skins want Fewell?; Jets keep Rex)
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They should go with Simms for the rest of the season. If you continue to play Geno, whatever is left of his confidence will probably be shot, and he's also likely to get hurt.
Hunter Gathers
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Exactly. If the Jets were stupid enough to just get rid of him, I'd love for the Giants to pick him up. His confidence is completely shot right now. He won't even throw the ball to Hill anymore.
If I'm the Jets, I focus on OL, TE, and WR in the draft.
Hunter Gathers
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Agreed completely. I would love for them to sit him down now and let him learn from the bench. He never should have been starting.
Nowhere there did I say you shouldn't compare the two in their rookie years I'm not sure if you thought I said that. But I believe you meant to highlight the merits of a "he isn't as terrible" arguement. There are things to look for in the types of mistakes and the types of good plays made.
Smith has too many mistakes that are of his own making, to me this makes this "he's not as terrible" arguement nearly worthless bc I'm not even sure it's correct to say. Even in the article the stats alone show that Smith has been terrible in even more games than Sanchez was early on. Put Sanchez on this team playing against these same defenses and the article merely supports the idea that Sanchez would pretty much be having the same season. The two have different offenses around them, they played against different defenses. A cursory stats glance showing that they both suck. It doesn't prove much else besides the fact that they both suck.
Also see the bolded? I don;'t get why you asked that. There are many reasons why I would compare a legendarily bad offense the past two years to yet another legendarily bad offense this year. There are plenty of reasons why I would compare the legendarily bad Qb performances of the last two years to the one we are getting this year. I'm not sitting here trying to show that Sanchez was better last year and the year before. If I was then your question would make sense.
I'm trying to say that both guys have darn near matched each other in terms of being terrible (and even in your rookie comparison this idea holds water). It of course speaks to how much of a garbage pail Sanchez was that he was every bit as terrible in his 3rd and 4th year as rookie smith has been.
Even in that article the writer completely glosses over how truly awful the last 3 weeks in a row have been for Smith regardless of decent run production. He was terrible in 5 games out of the 10. Terrible. I'm not even counting the Tenn game bc the stats look decent but he was terrible in that game too so really it should be 6 out of 10. Sanchez was terrible in 4 games in the 10 game sample.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
But again, you need to compare him to other guys, too. I highlighted Eli Manning (who I actually think is really similar to Smith). Smith has the type of "stuff" that you look for in a pro QB. Big arm, fast and mobile, etc.
He will get another year. I can't imagine Idzik is dumb enough to ditch the guy or move on from him.
I never said dump Geno this year. Too many variables affect how a player develops. It would be pure stupidity to dump him already just as it was pure stupidity and incompetence that led to him being handed the starting job after the joke that was his pre season performance. Is it true the coaches have been imploring him to run more often? If so this too speaks to how unintelligent he is. He cant figure out how to run or when to. Or maybe he's scared. Sanchez looked scared and unintelligent to me from his rookie season on. I haven't seen as much fear from Smith. More confusion and annoyance
Hunter Gathers
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I think it's purely a confidence issue. Plus annoyance, too, lol.
The Jets have a lot of work to do in this draft for the offense. I'd imagine many will rage-quit if they go defense heavy early on again.
Hunter Gathers
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If the Jets lose a few more games, they could be in the position to grab Sammy Watkins in the first and Austin Seferian-Jenkins in the second. Zack Martin in the third.
That would be a hell of a draft.
That would be a hell of a draft.
17futurecap
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Must go offense I would say at least first two rounds, if they like a safety with one of the 3rd round picks, I would be fine with that.
SA16
Sixstring
I think you fail to realize just how bad Sanchez was...Sanchez was more inaccurate, couldn't run, also took way too long to release the ball, never got his receivers extra yards because his throws were always either too high or too low, and also turned the ball over a ton - and he did this was 3-4 years experience while Geno is doing it as a rookie.
That said, please bring in Simms.
Jets and Giants both are horrible this season. I'm a giants fan. My dad is a jets fan. I think Geno Smith just needs to sit down for a bit, he is overwhelmed imo.
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Hunter Gathers
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Before anything happens Simms confidence is sky high, teams have no tape on him and the offense around him may be motivated. So I wouldn't recommend overreacting if he does well even though I don't think he;'ll do much either because yes the cast of offensive players is terrible as it has been for a few years
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Regardless of anything else, though, Simms being out there and Geno on the bench is good for Geno. Simms should finish out the year, IMO.
He is overwhelmed. I'm sure he's as frustrated as anyone that the offense has been so putrid. As a result, he's trying to do far too much, over-thinks things and just looks like a deer in headlights. It happened to Sanchez, too--he had no talent around him, tried too hard, made mistakes, and then it just snowballed on him.
There's no question that Smith has the tools to become at least an average NFL QB. He's not going to succeed with this team as it's currently constructed, though. Remember when Tom Brady looked like **** throwing the ball to a bunch of undrafted players and practice squad guys? Football is the consummate team game; you MUST have some amount of talent around you to succeed.
I don't give Geno a complete free pass, but come on, this kid has absolutely been set up for failure.
Oh yea definitely. Simms should have been out there the last two weeks. He likely would have gotten annihilated by Baltimore too and maybe Smith would have been regaining his confidence watching and saying "OK I can do better than what he's doing."
I agree with this. Geno has the arm and he has showed it. When your receivers are guys like Salas and Cribba, youre not gonna succeed. What i dont understand is the need to throw so many times with him. I understand its a throwing league, but you have a rookie QB. Give him the run support and do a lot of play-action like they did with Sanchez. It obviously worked. Sometimes these plays baffle me
Part of the fun is being a prognosticating ass. In this regard I am so guilty here but I try to stick to what i'm seeing without making over reactionary or unwarranted posts. I'll say he's every bit as bad as sanchez but I'll also more than admit to how horrendous the offense is around him and I of course feel he certainly could improve with the tools he has. I would never advocate dumping him after a year. But he has to learn how to use his legs, read defenses, throw the ball to the open shoulder, throw the ball over coverage etc etc. there is certainly tons of evidence to suggest he may flame out and be a decent backup or bottom tier starter at best. Based on the Jets history this seems likely (but this also is me saying there is a bias
Hunter Gathers
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Im happy they're losing now. I want a top 8 pick. So much talent in this draft. I enjoyed the season as much as I could. No need to add rage at this point. The team is what it is
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