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[Bobby9]

Boeser needs to be sat down and be told to be a company guy. He’s been paid like 40,000,000 dollars by the Canucks.

You’re being traded. You’ll be a free agent in the summer. We will circle back in the summer and make an offer.

A real loyal person would accept that for the betterment of the organization.

I cannot believe how much insubordination is accepted in a multi billion dollar business. This is the ONLY convo Allvin should be having with him.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Agree with this. For the first time in a long time saw some glimpses of the player that got that big contract

Cant help but laugh at the fact had that been Miller slamming the door a certain segment of this fanbase would have taken shots at him. Now it's a stepping off point for "hey look he has some emotion and looks like he cares"


So you want to rebuild then?

Come on dude, you're more nuanced than this.

If you saw a person who struggled with anorexia eating you'd be excited and encouraging. If their morbidly obese fan then said, 'how come nobody celebrates when I eat?' you'd know the answer intuitively, right?

I honestly feel like I am being gaslit when you say this, that people are using the same mental gymnastics people go through to insist he's not injured to now insist he's not being criticised. Folks are constantly slagging him here on social media - he's been the topic of the day all season, the fact we do this day after day is indicative of no lol this is not soft.

If the discourse was actually soft, there'd be no discourse at all.

Elsewhere, this is uniquely toxic era of fan discourse even that has more than compensated and exceeded the diminishing voice of traditional media. If you're not in those spaces to see that toxicity, consider yourself lucky.

He has an axe to grind with Petey that seriously degrades the quality of his takes on this topic.

Fans simply do not seem to understand that players play hurt all the time in the NHL. If every player who had a slight knock didn't play you'd have half of every AHL team in the NHL at any given time. Yes, Pettersson probably has a minor ailment. Yes, he is being expected to play through it. But this is how it works for every team in the league. Connor McDavid couldn't shoot the puck last year so he went and put up 100 assists instead. Pettersson is not seriously injured. Pettersson's minor injury issue is not an excuse for his disastrous play.

The criticism he's taking from a tiny percentage of the fans on social media is nothing compared to what would happen to an $11.6 million player with 7 ES goals in his last 82 games in any other decent hockey market.

Man, emotions do cloud the mind eh?

For the millionth time, injury and atrophy to a loading muscle is different than an owie on the finger or whatever. I.e. All injuries are not created equal.

Also, McDavid is one of the best players ever and not a fair comparison and yet if you go onto hfOilers you will see his fans shit talking him because he isn't scoring 60 goals and he's 'lost it'. HF fans seem to shit on everyone who isn't currently celebrating a hattrick goal.

And Petey may not do himself favors in how he pushes back on our media, but our media is dogshit. I'm hockey obsessed and yet I ignore our local market media like the plague. They know nothing about the game and have no sources so it's all pointless TMZ drama and I can see how that would get exhausting.

Hell, I'm exhausted enough to avoid it and I'm not affected by it day to day.

 

[Vector]

 

[ProviesGhost]

The world is so tense right now, too bad the team wasn’t rolling along at a 100 point plus pace, because following would be a nice relief from real life LOL. Instead, we’ve got a regressing team up front which is now stronger in the back end…… FFS.

 

[Peter Griffin]

No interest in re-signing Boeser.

I love Brock and he's a great person but they need to move on and recoup assets.

The suggestion that they may “self rent” him in a season where it’s looking like they might get 2 home playoff games at best, is infuriating. If you’re not going to commit to the player, get some needed trade currency and go get someone else you prefer.

 

[B-rock]

Boeser needs to be sat down and be told to be a company guy. He’s been paid like 40,000,000 dollars by the Canucks.

You’re being traded. You’ll be a free agent in the summer. We will circle back in the summer and make an offer.

A real loyal person would accept that for the betterment of the organization.

I cannot believe how much insubordination is accepted in a multi billion dollar business. This is the ONLY convo Allvin should be having with him.

I love this kind of strategy but there needs to be a lot of trust between mgmt and player if he were to agree to it. I think Alvin is miles away from Benning in integrity, honesty, smarts etc but it still comes down to Brock’s perception of mgmt and the situation.

 

[MS]

Man, emotions do cloud the mind eh?

For the millionth time, injury and atrophy to a loading muscle is different than an owie on the finger or whatever. I.e. All injuries are not created equal.

Also, McDavid is one of the best players ever and not a fair comparison and yet if you go onto hfOilers you will see his fans shit talking him because he isn't scoring 60 goals and he's 'lost it'. HF fans seem to shit on everyone who isn't currently celebrating a hattrick goal.

It is just endlessly fascinating to see how the team and the team's trained medical staff with intimate knowledge of what's going on classify this is 'not serious' only to have all the Internet MDs who know literally no specifics claim 'THEY'RE WRONG! HE'S SERIOUSLY HURT!'

Emotions do cloud the mind but my mind isn't the one that's clouded. The excuse-making for this player is absolutely beyond belief.

It isn't just McDavid. Draisaitl killed us last year while crippled. Mark Stone captained his team to a Cup when he couldn't bend over to tie his skates. Miller, Boeser, Hronek, Hughes etc. have all gutted it through injuries in the last 12 months and played well and found ways to contribute with only a limited drop-off from their regular performance. But delicate petal Petey somehow has different standards from everyone else.

And Petey may not do himself favors in how he pushes back on our media, but our media is dogshit. I'm hockey obsessed and yet I ignore our local market media like the plague. They know nothing about the game and have no sources so it's all pointless TMZ drama and I can see how that would get exhausting.

Hell, I'm exhausted enough to avoid it and I'm not affected by it day to day.

The Vancouver media absolutely has some annoying personalities but they are *soft as hell* on the team and the players. Again : compare to the Leaf media's handling of Mitch Marner or the Montreal media's handling of literally anything ever.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Four potential trade destinations for Canucks' Brock Boeser

With less than two weeks remaining until the trade deadline, Brock Boeser remains without a contract extension. If the Canucks decide to trade Boeser, Courtney Jacobson looks at four possible destinations for the winger.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[M2Beezy]

Reminder to be respectful to each other. If you find yourself getting angry, log off for a few minutes and take a walk. Alternatively, don't respond to that poster any more or just place them on ignore (quietly).

Thanks for the tip. BTW can we put mods on ignore? Asking for a friend...

 

[brock hughes007]

Four potential trade destinations for Canucks' Brock Boeser

With less than two weeks remaining until the trade deadline, Brock Boeser remains without a contract extension. If the Canucks decide to trade Boeser, Courtney Jacobson looks at four possible destinations for the winger.

www.sportsnet.ca

I don't care where he goes really..Just do it.

 

[Tinhorn1]

At this point I'd like to see him traded just so I don't have to read people being macho on the internet for a while.

 

[Nick Lang]

I don't know why people are grilling Petey right now when his line is the only productive one since 4 Nations Return. He was fine just before the return, too. Everyone here is unhinged and unserious, I'm sorry. Injured guy, playing in a knee brace, and is still the team's most effective forward.

There's a long list of forwards who got nothing going on at all. Garland, Boeser, Joshua all playing like a sad Americans, Chytil and Suter got zero going on in the last 2. You guys are bashing Petey out of habit at this point.

Yeah I have to agree. At this point he's second in scoring on a team that has not had an easy going. They are still a playoff team, although precarious, but he's a significant producer on a team that doesn't score or generate a lot of offence.

I think people tend to really focus on points a lot and forget to watch what is going on during the games. Expectations were sky high after last season but the reality is we're a middling team having a lot of trouble generating offence. Comparatively our other superstar forward who was traded had the same amount of points in 11 less games. Not overly great either. The team as a whole is struggling. While he needs to be better it's not all on Petterson. Let's not forget that Hughes has been out and hasn't even played with our new line-up.

 

[Vector]

Thanks for the tip. BTW can we put mods on ignore? Asking for a friend...

We’ve tested this and you can!

 

[Hodgy]

We’ve tested this and you can!

And if a moderator has really great summaries, but terrible takes, is there a way to just get the summaries.....

 

[Wisp]

Appealing to authority with the team's medical staff is... Well... You fill in the blank. Nobody here should not be giving them the benefit of the doubt given the history. Anyone here who distrusts what is going on is right to.

 

[Hodgy]

I just listened to Drance on Halford & Brough and he basically confirmed that the media was soft of Pettersson, and that he has had opportunities to run sound bits or quotes from Pettersson like the one Imac ran but just never did as he didn't want to hurt his relationship with Pettersson.

 

[racerjoe]

I just listened to Drance on Halford & Brough and he basically confirmed that the media was soft of Pettersson, and that he has had opportunities to run sound bits or quotes from Pettersson like the one Imac ran but just never did as he didn't want to hurt his relationship with Pettersson.

I don't think the media is harder here than Toronto or Montreal, or any Canadian City really... but I mean if a media member says the media that they are apart of isn't hard then it must be true

 

[Tinhorn1]

I just listened to Drance on Halford & Brough and he basically confirmed that the media was soft of Pettersson, and that he has had opportunities to run sound bits or quotes from Pettersson like the one Imac ran but just never did as he didn't want to hurt his relationship with Pettersson.

I agree with those saying local media is pretty soft. And not just with Pettersson, either. Management, coaching, the works. Remember the Benning years? The endless fellating of Travis Green? I do.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'm convinced. Just...

 

[December5th]

we are really missing jt miller, that guy was dynamite. i dont think think this team can ever hope to truly content until we find his replacement. even if pettersson becomes a 100 point player, is it enough? petey looked like a true superstar in the making in his rookie season, and in his 100 point season he looked like he was quietly making small smart plays and picking up a lot of secondary assists. i think we need a jt miller replacement to sign as ufa and it would be like sunlight that would help brock and pettersson blossom. like jt miller and hughes were the pillars that kept this building up and we just lost half the pillars with jt gone and its starting to buckle in on itself.

 

[xtr3m]

As for Pettersson ... yeah. I have no idea what to do. I'm not sure the team does either.

At this point only a masochist team will trade for him.

What I'm expecting to happen: he will remain on the team to start next season. If things don't get better, this market will finally get toxic and it will be mutually agreed to be traded somewhere.

 

[Szechwan]

We're not trading Quinn Hughes or rebuilding. Jesus f***ing Christ.

As for Pettersson ... yeah. I have no idea what to do. I'm not sure the team does either.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

He needs to do more ayahuasca than he's currently doing, but less ayahuasca than Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Hodgy]

Appealing to authority with the team's medical staff is... Well... You fill in the blank.

It isn't really a straight appeal to authority though since many posters are merely pointing out that management / medical staff have information we don't have. So, the argument isn't to given credence to their actions because they are an authority, but to do so because they obviously have information we don't have.

Plus, an appeal to authority is when the authority isn't qualified on the subject. But the HF posters criticizing the Canucks medical staff, by and large, have zero qualifications where at least the Canucks medical staff are qualified in the medical profession. So it mostly isn't even an appeal to authority.

With that said, the medical staff definitely could have screwed things.

Nobody here should not be giving them the benefit of the doubt given the history.

For all the lists of injuries put together by posters on here, who are almost always not medically qualified to even analyze the information, I have never seen anyone even attempt to try to put how these injuries were handled in context with the medical industry as a whole, and more importantly, within the context of NHL teams. At best they are just a list of injuries with outcomes that the poster thinks are worse than industry standard but has provided zero evidence for. Like, sure, NHL players will get injured, and there are a range of potential treatments with a range of potential risks, and sometimes the players who get injured realize some of those risks, and sometimes, in hindsight the best treatment option is not picked. And sometimes, outcomes are just bad. And sometimes, the medical practitioners are just bad and are negligent.

So, ya, the Canucks medical staff might suck. I don't know. You don't know. And no one has put together any compelling argument that they do suck other than just list a bunch of injuries without any real context.

I don't think the media is harder here than Toronto or Montreal, or any Canadian City really... but I mean if a media member says the media that they are apart of isn't hard then it must be true

Drance said that he has been soft on Petey so its true unless you think he's lying?

 

[iFan]

At what point does the heat go on our management group? Our media seems very quiet about criticism towards them, yet the team is in pretty rough shape now.

 

[racerjoe]

Drance said that he has been soft on Petey so its true unless you think he's lying?

I wouldn't call it soft, I wouldn't call it hard. I just don't think our media is good is the problem.

Drance is a great example. I like him for the record, but once he has an opinion he is general very dug in, and rarely looks at new information. He often will die on hills, when looking at new information could change an opinion.

I know that doesn't really matter for the point that is being made.

I don't think Pettersson is great with the media... there is probably a lot of people to blame for that including Pettersson himself. I just don't think some of it is a really big deal and his answer from today doesn't move the needle for me in any direction for being a sign of anything. I think if he was having a great season and a similar question was asked he probably would have answered similarly. Should he answer that way? Probably not, but its a non story to me.