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2013-2014 NFL Thread IV (Giants firing Gilbride? Skins want Fewell?; Jets keep Rex)

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This is hilarious, but I can't imagine the league will be too happy about him tweeting this out...

https://twitter.com/Weatherford5/status/404981381526462464

This is how I'm greeted when I get 2 work today. Two 65+ punts and now U wanna test me? Random? Hmm... pic.twitter.com/EmN1yANEZB
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I really don't know if the Jets' OL (namely Ferguson and Mangold) are playing this poorly because they have Winters between them, or because they are just regressing. They really haven't played at an All-Pro level since Faneca was between them, so maybe there's something to that.

We might consider going after a guy like Jon Asamoah in FA. Would give us a young rock between Brick+Mangold, and if we resign Colon who has been pretty decent (minus the penalties) this year, we could let him compete with Winters+Ducasse for that final RG spot.

Then, we just have to focus on weapons. We need:

2 WRs
1 TE
1 OLB
1 FS

And those are all dire needs. All of those we need new starters by week 1 of next year.

Then, in tier two, we have:

1 MLB
1 CB
1 HB


Harris is getting old and he's a dinosaur. He was an All-Pro in the old NFL. In the new NFL, ILBs need to be fast sideline to sideline and able to cover this new breed of mammoth TEs. Harris can do neither. The game has passed him by.

That's five new starters that we absolutely need week 1 (and that's not even including the guard position, as in this scenario I'm assuming we sign Asamoah) and three new starters will be nice. If we cut Cro this summer which is becoming more and more likely, six starters will be absolutely necessary unless we want our starting CBs to be Milliner and Walls.

Of course, if Geno continues to play this way, we may need to take a QB in round 1.

Game on, Idzik.
 
I'm bored. I expect this post to be long. Please skip if you want. It's an argument for the Giants to fire Perry Fewell, hire a 3-4 defensive coach, and draft Khalil Mack. I'm doing this out of boredom.

Here's how I see it:

2014 Free agents: Kevin Boothe, Andre Brown, Josh Brown, Jim Cordle (RFA), David Diehl, Mark Herzlich (RFA), Hynosky (RFA), Linval Joseph, Trumaine McBride, Ryan Mundy, Louis Murphy, Brandon Myers, Nicks, Painter, Pascoe, Mike Patterson, Paysinger (RFA), Keith Rivers, Shaun Rogers, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Justin Tuck.

Bolded are guys I'd keep.

For D-Linemen, we have: JPP, Moore, Kuhn, Hankins, Jenkins, Kiwanuka (still not sure if I want him on Dline or LB).

Linebackers: Rivers, Paysinger, Beason, Williams, Kiwanuka, MACK.

Here's why:

Losing Tuck is going to be a rather big blow to the Giants defense. Despite underperforming the past couple of years, he's still a guy other teams had to be accountable for. This loss would be less of a handful if Damontre Moore was ready to be a part of that unit, but it's pretty clear the Giants coaching staff either doesn't trust him there yet, or doesn't have the ability to find him reps.

One of the biggest deficiencies of the Giants defense recently has been there inability to cover dynamic tight ends. Let's face it, the Giants get ripped apart on the regular by QBs who are good at mixing their TE into the gameplan. Witten took the Giants for two TD's last week, and made it look damn easy. With the 3-4, the Giants get way more speed on the field, and ability to cover TEs better, without sacrificing speed on the outside receivers.

Overall, the 3-4 defense makes the Giants defense faster, gives the coaching staff more options, and can definitely spice up the blitz patterns.

Mack - Rivers - Beason - Williams
JPP - Jenkins - Moore​

That is a FAST defensive front 7, with the ability to get to the QB with the right packages called.

It's also a rather cheap defensive front 7. Perhaps letting go of a few extra d-linemen, and opening it up to "cheaper" linebackers, allows the Giants to re-sign Nicks :dunno:

With Tuck leaving, the Giants days of having the scariest defensive line in the league is done. Tuck is past his prime and probably gone. Umenyiora has been gone. Barry Cofield has been gone. It's time to open the door for the new look Giants, and they have an opportunity here with a dynamic player like Mack coming into the NFL, right around where the Giants will be picking in the draft :nod:

Disclaimer:

I am SERIOUSLY biased towards the Giants drafting Khalil Mack. In the right set up, he is going to be a defensive force in the NFL.

I do not know much at all about the NFL cap, the Giants contracts, or how the NFL really works as in-depth as I do the NHL. If nothing in this post makes sense, please do not drill me too hard if you choose to read and reply :laugh:
 
silverfish said:
I'm bored. I expect this post to be long. Please skip if you want. It's an argument for the Giants to fire Perry Fewell, hire a 3-4 defensive coach, and draft Khalil Mack. I'm doing this out of boredom.

Here's how I see it:

2014 Free agents: Kevin Boothe, Andre Brown, Josh Brown, Jim Cordle (RFA), David Diehl, Mark Herzlich (RFA), Hynosky (RFA), Linval Joseph, Trumaine McBride, Ryan Mundy, Louis Murphy, Brandon Myers, Nicks, Painter, Pascoe, Mike Patterson, Paysinger (RFA), Keith Rivers, Shaun Rogers, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Justin Tuck.

Bolded are guys I'd keep.

For D-Linemen, we have: JPP, Moore, Kuhn, Hankins, Jenkins, Kiwanuka (still not sure if I want him on Dline or LB).

Linebackers: Rivers, Paysinger, Beason, Williams, Kiwanuka, MACK.

Here's why:

Losing Tuck is going to be a rather big blow to the Giants defense. Despite underperforming the past couple of years, he's still a guy other teams had to be accountable for. This loss would be less of a handful if Damontre Moore was ready to be a part of that unit, but it's pretty clear the Giants coaching staff either doesn't trust him there yet, or doesn't have the ability to find him reps.

One of the biggest deficiencies of the Giants defense recently has been there inability to cover dynamic tight ends. Let's face it, the Giants get ripped apart on the regular by QBs who are good at mixing their TE into the gameplan. Witten took the Giants for two TD's last week, and made it look damn easy. With the 3-4, the Giants get way more speed on the field, and ability to cover TEs better, without sacrificing speed on the outside receivers.

Overall, the 3-4 defense makes the Giants defense faster, gives the coaching staff more options, and can definitely spice up the blitz patterns.

Mack - Rivers - Beason - Williams
JPP - Jenkins - Moore​

That is a FAST defensive front 7, with the ability to get to the QB with the right packages called.

It's also a rather cheap defensive front 7. Perhaps letting go of a few extra d-linemen, and opening it up to "cheaper" linebackers, allows the Giants to re-sign Nicks :dunno:

With Tuck leaving, the Giants days of having the scariest defensive line in the league is done. Tuck is past his prime and probably gone. Umenyiora has been gone. Barry Cofield has been gone. It's time to open the door for the new look Giants, and they have an opportunity here with a dynamic player like Mack coming into the NFL, right around where the Giants will be picking in the draft :nod:

Disclaimer:

I am SERIOUSLY biased towards the Giants drafting Khalil Mack. In the right set up, he is going to be a defensive force in the NFL.

I do not know much at all about the NFL cap, the Giants contracts, or how the NFL really works as in-depth as I do the NHL. If nothing in this post makes sense, please do not drill me too hard if you choose to read and reply :laugh:
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i agree with this. Nicks disgusted me this season and Tuck too. Its time to get younger and faster imo
 
Geno is terrible even for a rookie. It's his brain. But that doesn't explain underthrowing a wide open guy by 15 yards.
Excellent play by Millner. Stays with his guy. Notices the WR head has turned. He turns his head to look for the ball, reacts to it, goes up and knocks it away.

Powell looks like he has a guy with him stride for stride in the Jets backfield but he makes a tiny cut to the inside and goes right past him for a 4 yard gain. I LOVE how Powell runs, it's so subtle it's very much like how Curtis Martin used to run.. martin did it for over a decade of course.

CBSreaffirms with relevant stats that geno has consistently week after week been playing like Eli did against the Ravens in his rookie year.

Then they say something really stupid about Rex having no tolerance towards bad young QB's. Yup certainly doesn't...not like he's spent EVERY SINGLE YEAR as a Jets head coach utilizing an awful young QB. I wonder how much you can get paid to sound like a jackass...I'll have to look at some of these football announcers paychecks to find out.

I'm playing a game. How many times can the Jets get off three pass plays in a row without a lineman getting blown off the ball? So far the answer is none. Maybe if I did a drinking game...? Take a shot every time a jets lineman gets embarrassed in pass protection. I'll be dead of alcohol poisoning before the half is up.
 
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Jonathan. said:
Geno is already a fairly big improvement over Sanchez playing with a worse set of players and a worse offensive line. The offensive line has been the worst part for the Jets this year w/r/t pass protection.
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Geno is far worse than Sanchez. The guy hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since three days before the World Series started. Worse set of players? Jets receivers and running game is better than last year. The offensive line is debatable, but i'd say they are better. Geno takes way too long to release the ball.
 
Jonathan. said:
Geno is already a fairly big improvement over Sanchez playing with a worse set of players and a worse offensive line. The offensive line has been the worst part for the Jets this year w/r/t pass protection.
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I disagree with this assessment in almost every way. I think people underestimate how bad the line was last year and the year before that.

Edit: Reading the link it's a comparison of the rookie years of both QB's. Sanchez was terrible his rookie year too. That doesn't mean geno isn't terrible bc he is. There is no winner in a "At least I'm not quite as terrible as you" arguement
 
nyrleetch said:
Geno is far worse than Sanchez. The guy hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since three days before the World Series started. Worse set of players? Jets receivers and running game is better than last year. The offensive line is debatable, but i'd say they are better. Geno takes way too long to release the ball.
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Except all of the stats disagree with you as do the eyes.

Also, not talking about last year. Comparing rookie years. You can look at the play of the offensive line and it's all you need to know. The Jets 2009 line was dominant.
 
In over 20 years of watching football, I honestly can't recall an offense worse than this current Jets team. They can't block (pass block, anyway), the QB sucks, the WRs probably wouldn't even be on the roster of a good team and the RBs are mediocre.

If you're the Jets, you have to hope that the defense can score some points for you. The offense is just pathetic. Beyond pathetic. It's completely nonexistent.
 
shinchanyo said:
I was responding to you I read the link after see above
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I disagree with the 2nd part of your post, there. You HAVE to compare rookie players to get a feel for a possible projection. And the "he doesn't suck as bad" argument has a ton of merit. I always point to Eli Manning as a prime example of a guy who was beyond brutal his rookie year but he had the measureables (arm strength, toughness, etc.) that made the Giants stick with him. Hell, Manning was quite a bit worse than Geno his rookie year.

You don't ditch a guy with that type of ability when he's playing behind a terrible line and with bad receivers after one year.
 
The Jets offense has 26 total yards. 26! Against a defense that allows 360 yards per game. LOL!

The defense should just quit. They've been on the field for 23 minutes in the half! How can you share a locker room with the offense, when you're so good at what you do and they're an ACC-caliber unit?
 
nyr2k2 said:
The Jets offense has 26 total yards. 26! Against a defense that allows 360 yards per game. LOL!

The defense should just quit. They've been on the field for 23 minutes in the half! How can you share a locker room with the offense, when you're so good at what you do and they're an ACC-caliber unit?
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Dolphins pass defense is pretty solid. Run defense is pretty mediocre, though. Surprised they aren't running all over them.
 
Jonathan. said:
His legs look shot
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He has had a hip injury for most of the season. It dates from an injury back in 2008. He hasn't been healthy, at all. Last season he was healthy and was very, very good. This year he's been average. His health is the main reason the Jets will probably move on from him after this year. He's a good player when he's healthy, but can you count on that?
 
nyr2k2 said:
He has had a hip injury for most of the season. It dates from an injury back in 2008. He hasn't been healthy, at all. Last season he was healthy and was very, very good. This year he's been average. His health is the main reason the Jets will probably move on from him after this year. He's a good player when he's healthy, but can you count on that?
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At least Milliner is looking good.
 
Jonathan. said:
Dolphins pass defense is pretty solid. Run defense is pretty mediocre, though. Surprised they aren't running all over them.
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Which is why I wasn't even remotely surprised to see the Jets open with three straight passes. I mean, why game plan to your opponent's weaknesses? That wouldn't make any sense. Let's game plan away from their weakness, to their strength, which also happens to be our weakness! Fantastic.
 
Jonathan. said:
I disagree with the 2nd part of your post, there. You HAVE to compare rookie players to get a feel for a possible projection. And the "he doesn't suck as bad" argument has a ton of merit. I always point to Eli Manning as a prime example of a guy who was beyond brutal his rookie year but he had the measureables (arm strength, toughness, etc.) that made the Giants stick with him. Hell, Manning was quite a bit worse than Geno his rookie year.

You don't ditch a guy with that type of ability when he's playing behind a terrible line and with bad receivers after one year.
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I agree. Geno looks terrible, yes, but he honestly shouldn't have even been playing this year. He's been put behind a crappy offensive line with the worst group of receivers in the NFL--and we're surprised he looks like ****? I have no idea if Geno is the future, but to ditch him after this season would just be stupid.
 
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