That would be insane. Zubov was a Norris level beast without being a big man himself.
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That would be insane. Zubov was a Norris level beast without being a big man himself.
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Oh no, I loved this pick on draft night at 17. My hot take was that it made up for the the Danielson pick. I was on team drvosky and never thought ASP would still be there at 17. And full disclosure I began to change my tune on Danielson that night. Never fully acknowledged who bad Brandon was/is, but that's on me.
It is more common than you think. Look at some of the "new" top defensemen in the league. Fox, Makar, Hughes are about the same size.
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Yeah, well that isn't impressive until he does it for Ottawa.
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Let the record show I had ASP ranked higher than any other defenseman in the class including Reinbacher and I stand by that. Thrilled with his development so far.
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Without Lidstrom his highest Norris votes would place him 2nd, so there is only 1 season where maybe he wins without Nick. I liked Zubov he was really good, but look at his Norris finishes, he only had 1 higher than 8th.
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He's probably going to be a stud, but I'm not reading into the highlights posted lol. He had so much room and lack of opposition. Those plays wouldn't exist at the AHL level let alone the NHL.
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While this is true I also think you have to take into consideration the incredible anti Euro bias against defenders back then. Look at how long it took Lids to break through. (He got some rep wins at the end but I firmly believe he was denied a few in the 90s as well) I mean Lids and Pronger were generally the class of that era but Zubov should have definitely had way higher finishes than he did. He was definitely in the older Cheli/Bourque/ Leetch, Blake, Al Mac, Stevens, Younger Neids class and was certainly better than some of then during any given year.
He was a big reason those late 90s/ early 2000s Stars teams were just under the Wings and Avs in the western conference.
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I don’t know, I still think his skating is better than Dalibor Dvorsky’s.
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He wasn’t drafted with any of the preceding 16 picks
great, thanks for the clarification!
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The previous defenseman were all drafted with size as the primary (and over-riding) attribute the different teams wanted. ASP fell because he wasn't 6'4"+
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Dvorsky's skating is on par with mine and the last time I skated was at 8.
1. Questions about his skating
2. He was listed in the media as shorter than his actual height—maybe he grew? But he got labeled "small", and a small defenseman with skating issues is super difficult to overcome in scouts' eyes.
3. Questions about his ultimate offensive upside. But it was one of those weird ones where he was producing, but scouts thought maybe it wouldn't translate.
4. He's not really the best defensive zone defender, and probably never will be
Considering 3/4 of those look downright inaccurate right now, it feels like some scouts really dropped the ball there. But it's still early.
jaster
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Yeah Dvorsky's skating is not good. I harped on that a bit around draft time and got some pushback, saying ASP's skating is no better, and that I should be complaining about his skating as well. But I think ASP's skating is a strength, whereas Dvorsky's is a weakness.
Edgework is often overlooked by hockey fans, but if you've competed on the ice then you know that, more often than not, good edges are a greater advantage than straight-line speed. And ASP has always had very good edges.
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jaster
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I'm not a pre-draft prospect hound like many, or like scouts have to be, so I had never seen ASP prior to like a week before the draft. But when I started watching him I didn't see skating as a weakness, and so those concerns seemed strange to me. Maybe there were some question about whether it would be a strength or just passable, and he's certainly not a burner, but right off the bat I could tell he had above-average edges. And that's a great foundation for being a good skater.
I think there was some bias against him because of how he played the game. Like a Datsyuk on defense at times. It didn’t fit the convdntional defenseman mold. I bet the analytics crowd would love him today though.
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Currently projected to have 24 goals. WOW.
I am so excited. He's gonna be playing on the Wings next year, just wait.
I am so excited. He's gonna be playing on the Wings next year, just wait.
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2 out of 3 of those dmen aren't good defensively. and all 3 are better skaters. ASP fell because of his skating, and while it looks better than the pre-draft videos I watched, it's not anywhere close to what Makar can do.
Makar has better footwork with the puck than all but the elite forwards:
and Larkin-like speed:
Sorry, but aside from a handful of Wings, he's my favorite player.
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