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Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Short season is better than none, now for trades.

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Maulkin for Kessel plus. Geno is reunited with Kuli, and the Pens get a young sniper winger.
 
TmlHockeyFan said:
To Toronto:
Perry
Conditional 1st Round Pick (If Perry doesn't resign)

To Anaheim:
Kessel
Conditional Third Round Pick (If Perry doesn't resign for T.O)

To Vancouver:
Grabovski
Komisarek

To Toronto:
Luongo

Not sure if this deal makes sense because Toronto can just wait until Perry becomes a UFA. But perhaps Toronto can extend Perry's contract as soon as he's traded.

Sign Getzlaf in the offseason.

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JVR-Kadri-Kulemin
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Why would Anaheim receive a pick, condition on Perry not resigning? Shouldn't it be if he signs

Vancouver is robbed
 
Leaf players I'd like to see traded:

High return: Kessel

Medium return: Liles, Bozak, Kadri, Grabbo, McCauther.

Low return/ Salary Dump: Lombo, Connelly, Komi, Orr.
 
rumman said:
Leaf players I'd like to see traded:

High return: Kessel

Medium return: Liles, Bozak, Kadri, Grabbo, McCauther.

Low return/ Salary Dump: Lombo, Connelly, Komi, Orr.
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If you're going to deal all this, mine as well deal Lupul as well.

No way he'd resign with that kind of turnover
 
rumman said:
Maulkin for Kessel plus. Geno is reunited with Kuli, and the Pens get a young sniper winger.
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interesting idea

Pitt would want depth if moving Malkin and not sure the Leafs have enough if any to make that kind of move

Kessel+
probably a dman like Gunnar maybe Gardiner
a center, Bozak?
another nhl winger, Lupul or Mac
then prospect or pick, Kadri

Kessel, Gardiner, Lupul, Bozak + Leafs take back a contract like Martin might get the conversation going
 
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mapes said:
If you're going to deal all this, mine as well deal Lupul as well.

No way he'd resign with that kind of turnover
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I'd trade Lupul too, in fact very little IMO is untochable, but really Leafs won't trade all the players I would. Certainly Connelly, Lambo, Komi should go, Kessel is the only Leaf who could get a superstar in return, the others have value, and could be used to obtain players better suited to Caryle's style of team.
 
It will be interesting if leafs are not in a playoff's spot before the trade deadline what do they do with lupul? if he continues to produce like he did last year he might be worth a lot at the trade deadline. Lupul could be worth a 1st a 2nd and a top prospect.
 
1 mistake Burke did make was giving Komi a no trade clause, they way the CBA is Komi is worth something to a team trying to hit the cap floor next year. Komi would be moveable if he had no trade clause in the new CBA,
 
I dont get the TRADE KESSEL TALK? The guy is only 24 and his production is high and continually going up, and thats without a solid #1 centre for the past 3yrs. Keep him and get someone in the middle and have a solid #1 line that puts fear into teams. A couple of years ago it was nice to have teams worry about the first line and have our 2nd line produce giving teams headaches. Unfortunatelythe goaltending was awful and defense was porous. Would love to have 2 solid scoring lines:

Lupal-?-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Frattin/Kadri
Kulemin-McClem-MacA

Trade Bozak and Franson..add a guy like Percy,or McKegg plus a pick if we have to and get Reilly, or Stasny or Getzlaf to solidify the 1 line. That will start getting respect from the league IMO
 
devilishleafs said:
I dont get the TRADE KESSEL TALK? The guy is only 24 and his production is high and continually going up, and thats without a solid #1 centre for the past 3yrs. Keep him and get someone in the middle and have a solid #1 line that puts fear into teams. A couple of years ago it was nice to have teams worry about the first line and have our 2nd line produce giving teams headaches. Unfortunatelythe goaltending was awful and defense was porous. Would love to have 2 solid scoring lines:

Lupal-?-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Frattin/Kadri
Kulemin-McClem-MacA

Trade Bozak and Franson..add a guy like Percy,or McKegg plus a pick if we have to and get Reilly, or Stasny or Getzlaf to solidify the 1 line. That will start getting respect from the league IMO
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The only thing that IMO would make Kessel trade discussion plausible is that he's really not a "carlyle" type player. I still think its getting ahead of ourselves but if the team struggles again this year or he struggles within Carlyle's system i could see him becoming available before his extension comes up.

He's a quality player so would bring a quality return. Leafs fans shouldn't have an issue which ever makes the leafs better for the way they want to play
 
pspot said:
The only thing that IMO would make Kessel trade discussion plausible is that he's really not a "carlyle" type player. I still think its getting ahead of ourselves but if the team struggles again this year or he struggles within Carlyle's system i could see him becoming available before his extension comes up.

He's a quality player so would bring a quality return. Leafs fans shouldn't have an issue which ever makes the leafs better for the way they want to play
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Selanne isn't a Carlyle type player but he still did quite well ... The team just needs to get bigger and tougher in the top 6 to accommodate the right players around Kessel
 
BertCorbeau said:
Selanne isn't a Carlyle type player but he still did quite well ... The team just needs to get bigger and tougher in the top 6 to accommodate the right players around Kessel
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Selanne was better defensively and was a secondary player for that team.
Kessel is still young as you said and has shown a willingness to play more of a two way game but even RW said he wasn't responsible enough.

I don't think the idea of considering a trade is unthinkable
 
Ya I get the Carlyle system and I think thats the media blowing that out of porportion. I truly think that with the defensive minded system he brings it will help Kessel more. Just due to the fact that the players SHOULD play stronger along the boards and gettting the puck out quicker allowing for more offense. Part of the problem the past few seasons was the poor play and grit along the boards and poor breakouts. The defense and wingers coughed up the puck way too much and allowed for too many scoring chances for the opposing teams. I live in Wpg and watched how the MB Moose played under Carlyle and the way he coached ANA, his teams worked very hard along the boards and played smart with the puck, not allowing breakouts or cough ups for other teams.

It's a matter of having a centre that can skate north and south and have that scoring touch. Obviously, Getz is the best fit but i think Stasny or O'Reilly could really excel here as well.
 
devilishleafs said:
Ya I get the Carlyle system and I think thats the media blowing that out of porportion. I truly think that with the defensive minded system he brings it will help Kessel more. Just due to the fact that the players SHOULD play stronger along the boards and gettting the puck out quicker allowing for more offense. Part of the problem the past few seasons was the poor play and grit along the boards and poor breakouts. The defense and wingers coughed up the puck way too much and allowed for too many scoring chances for the opposing teams. I live in Wpg and watched how the MB Moose played under Carlyle and the way he coached ANA, his teams worked very hard along the boards and played smart with the puck, not allowing breakouts or cough ups for other teams.

It's a matter of having a centre that can skate north and south and have that scoring touch. Obviously, Getz is the best fit but i think Stasny or O'Reilly could really excel here as well.
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I agree

What happened many night last year was Kessel and his line would spend a minute in their own zone cause they did not grind enough on the wall to make plays to get the puck out of the zone then once they got it out they were at the end of the shift and had went over their shift length trying to score. What happens next is the puck comes back into our zone and they are dog tired and get scored on.

When they battled on the board made the plays they ended up with more of an offensive chance.

A defensive system is not the trap from what I watched Carlyle play in ANA. Its about getting the puck out of your zone quickly and organized to go on the rush. If the D and the F play the system right in their zone it will decrease defensive zone time and allow for more offensive zone time where they can excel.

This goes for all lines and D pairings. You play less in your zone and odds are your goals against will drop and scoring chances against will drop as well.
 
Ya I think trading away any of the Leaf top talent is a mistake. I strongly think that a player like Stasny or O'Reilly and the obvious Getzlaf would be a HUGE addition to team not only offensively, but also defensivley and better forchecking against types like Giroux,Crosby,Krecji,Darche,Spezza,Tavares,Richards and whoever Buffalo puts up front. If it means trading Kadri then yes pull the trigger cause Kadri does not fit the bill. Kadri has the eyes to be creative but lacks the defensive grit to be a #1 centre, and Bozak is a piece that can be expendable. That would be the only young talent I would like to see go.
 
Wow, didn't think about Malkin. Perfect trade for both teams.

Kessel + Gardiner + MacArthur + Colborne for Malkin
 
Since both sides will have the CBA ratifed by tomarrow morning have we been told if trade can occur right after it is or do we wait until sunday still?
 
devilishleafs said:
I dont get the TRADE KESSEL TALK? The guy is only 24 and his production is high and continually going up, and thats without a solid #1 centre for the past 3yrs.
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People don't appreciate what we have with Kessel. Sure he has defensive liabilities, but he finished SIXTH IN THE LEAGUE IN POINTS last year. Kessel just needs a decent defensive forward to play with, Bozak is okay but not ideal and Lupul is subpar as well. Couple this fact with a questionable D and abysmal goaltending, time to cut Phil some bloody slack!

I enjoy every minute of having a true game changer in the lineup, Kessel gets better every year and he was VERY consistent last year.
 
pspot said:
interesting idea

Pitt would want depth if moving Malkin and not sure the Leafs have enough if any to make that kind of move

Kessel+
probably a dman like Gunnar maybe Gardiner
a center, Bozak?
another nhl winger, Lupul or Mac
then prospect or pick, Kadri

Kessel, Gardiner, Lupul, Bozak + Leafs take back a contract like Martin might get the conversation going
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done.
 
finding a power forward C is pretty hard. there arent many
it might be easier to:
-get a pf winger like bobby ryan (1st pick plus frattin?)
-get a decent center like paul stastny
-move lupul to line 2 (or trade him)

ryan stastny kessel
lupul grabovsky kulemin
vanreimsdyk mcclement komarov
 
didn't realize Knuble and Arnott were ufa's

a couple nice bridge guys for the Leafs

also Kubina as a big Right Hander (would prefer over Komi) and Colin White big mean guy coming out of some strong systems
 
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