10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[Al14]

As I said in other threads Shanahan is the architect of this entire mess, he needs to be fired yesterday, incompetent clown.

Yep, he was such a complete player on the ice, however he's a complete CLOWN as a Toronto Maple Leaf hockey executive !!!

He needs to be promoted to vice-president of the NHL as he has very successfully made the Toronto Maple Leafs into a mediocre, run of the mill, overpaid, non-championship winning, NHL hockey team.

Bettman HAS TO BE very proud of him as he's made the Leafs competitive enough to not finish last, and incompetent to compete for a Stanley Cup.

 

[JEI]

Interesting times around the team... questionable on-ice product, new GM's additions not really panning out, All-Star game being held in Toronto, future of Leafs coach in question (at least in the media), changes happening at the very top of MLSE.. Feels like for the longest time the focus just isn't solely on what's going to happen in the playoffs.

 

[Anthrax442]

Yeah, 10 years is a helluva long time. I think it warrants a conversation to be had.

 

[Lightsol]

Shanahan was handed everything. He was allowed to tear apart the team and rebuild- something I don't ever remember happening in Toronto.

And thanks to the reactions of this f***ing fanbase to the entire thing over the last 20 years, it will NEVER happen again, except by accident. Guarantee the message the board is taking from this is tank rebuilds don't work in Toronto. So once everyone's fired we'll probably be going back to trying to rebuild through free agency, which no longer works under the cap.

 

[tmlms13]

Shanahan getting fired isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Keith Pelley is coming in as the new President & CEO of MLSE in April. He's the guy who would have to pull the trigger. Same with Masai and the Raptors. Their buddy Larry T won't be there.

If Pelley wants to make his mark, and I'm sure he will want to, those two guys are going to be the ones on the chopping block.

edit: they just mentioned that on overdrive like 2 minutes after I posted this

 

[mjd1001]

Yeah, 10 years is a helluva long time. I think it warrants a conversation to be had.

10 years, one single playoff round win. Buffalo, Detroit, and Arizona are worsewith less playoff wins in the last decade for sure...but how many other teams? Not many.

 

[Confucius]

10 years, one single playoff round win. Buffalo, Detroit, and Arizona are worsewith less playoff wins in the last decade for sure...but how many other teams? Not many.

In the 9 years before Shannahan got here we only made the playoffs once and we lost that one in the first round as well. So Shanahan is an improvement. Lol

 

[centipede2233]

I see shanny’s gameplan. Hire people so incompetent that they take the heat while you lay back smoking cigars with fletcher and the brass and talk about the good OL redwing days. Then fire said incompetence to hire more incompetence…rinse and repeat

 

[Menzinger]

Shanahan getting fired isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Keith Pelley is coming in as the new President & CEO of MLSE in April. He's the guy who would have to pull the trigger. Same with Masai and the Raptors. Their buddy Larry T won't be there.

If Pelley wants to make his mark, and I'm sure he will want to, those two guys are going to be the ones on the chopping block.

edit: they just mentioned that on overdrive like 2 minutes after I posted this

Very interesting point. Though MLSE seems as if they may be a bit gunshy having to pay more dead executive salary after the Babcock firing.

I believe Shannys current contract runs through 2025

 

[Matthews4Calder]

We have 11 mil in John Tavares doing absolutely nothing. That guy, unfortunately, is the biggest issue and started the beginning of the end.

Thing that ticks me off with contracts these days is the concessions management hands out. Leafs knew what they were getting with Tavares. Problem is and I'm sure Leafs aren't the only team is the other incentives that come with the contracts. These NTC or NMC is crap. Leafs also hand out huge up front money, bonuses etc. I don't get why the players have to have everything. This is the breakdown of Nylander's contract.

2024-25: $3.5m sal + $10m SB
2025-26: $3.5m sal + $10m SB
2026-27: $1m sal + $11.5m SB
2027-28: $1m sal + $10.5m SB
2028-29: $6m sal + $5m SB
2029-30: $6m sal + $5m SB
2030-31: $1m sal + $9m SB
2031-32: $1m sal + $8m SB

Nylander is set to earn $69 million in signing bonuses, and he has full no-movement and no-trade protection for the entirety of the eight-year term, which is something that Nylander’s main comparable in negotiations, David Pastrnak, didn’t even receive.

So unless some of these stars are going to waive we are basically stuck with this core until their contracts expire. We are doomed and the way we keep forking out money nothings going to change unless they finally figure out this core isn't cutting it.

 

[BamBamCam]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toron...2022-but-president-brendan-shanahan-vetoed-it

 

[RunItBackAgain]

We have 11 mil in John Tavares doing absolutely nothing. That guy, unfortunately, is the biggest issue and started the beginning of the end.

Now on pace for a 23 goal season.

Less points than Rielly. Not like he hasn’t been outplayed by Riles over the course of 5 playoff rounds now though.

The only minus on the team besides our 4th liners and Klingberg.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Any fan could have done better , so then really it's ownership. Don't worry we will win a cup" Ha right! The organization is a gong show since Lou left.

 

[All Mod Cons]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toron...2022-but-president-brendan-shanahan-vetoed-it

The deal was reportedly Brandon Hagel and Fleury to the Maple Leafs for Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies, and "first-round picks,"

Yeesh

 

[Niagara Bill]

Shanny certainly has had his opportunity, 10 years, but he is no clown.
Fact is, as I have preached often, Bettman 1993 appointment was the end of Canadian teams winning. No even once. 30 years.
So, let's replace Shanny, even Brad and Keefe, but do not expect anything to change.

 

[613Leafer]

Now on pace for a 23 goal season.

Less points than Rielly. Not like he hasn’t been outplayed by Riles over the course of 5 playoff rounds now though.

The only minus on the team besides our 4th liners and Klingberg.

+/- is obviously not a great stat, but playing on a team that is generally a mid-to-upper playoff team, he's been in minus player in 4 out of 6 years on teams where most of the players are plus players.

And that's despite being very good on faceoffs and getting 60%+ offensive zone starts on 5 of 6 seasons (58% in the other).

Despite the point totals, he's just not a very effective 5 on 5 player.

 

[BamBamCam]

The deal was reportedly Brandon Hagel and Fleury to the Maple Leafs for Petr Mrazek, Matthew Knies, and "first-round picks,"

Yeesh

I think it's more about Shanny sticking his nose in. Kind of surprising how Keefe got a extension so quick from a new GM. No?

 

[Its not your fault]

I think you can probably appreciate this is how everyone felt with the Dubas fan club. Always someone else's fault.

Almost every one is guilty of trading and giving up on 1 of our top 3. So I imagine we're lucky to have so of the best talent we probably will ever see in our life time play a huge part of there careers in Blue and white. Every moment is only a second away from a memory most well look back in life and wished they cheered louder and enjoyed this team more.

 

[Buds17]

I think it's more about Shanny sticking his nose in. Kind of surprising how Keefe got a extension so quick from a new GM. No?

Not to excuse any (reported) meddling, but I can feel differently about it when it's done to the benefit of the team (which can be argued in this instance). I'd also determine that Keefe coaching this team to its best finish yet under his tutelage was an easy sell in procuring a contract extension of relatively short term.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Not to excuse any (reported) meddling, but I can feel differently about it when it's done to the benefit of the team (which can be argued in this instance). I'd also determine that Keefe coaching this team to its best finish yet under his tutelage was an easy sell in procuring a contract extension of relatively short term.

Yeah some of those prices were steep and I don’t mind that they didn’t go through. However, if all trades are to be approved by Shannahan, then I don’t really see it as meddling. It’s just the how their org works.

However, it makes management look dysfunctional when a deal gets put in place and gets nixed at the last step thus wasting everybody’s time.

 

[Jojalu]

of course you think there was interference . lol

i have to ask , since you believe Shanny was pulling the strings all these years why is it you worship Dubas and not Shanahan ?

In fairness, Dubas was on record saying it was time to look at the Core 4. It was one of the last things he said before he got axed

 

[Buds17]

Yeah some of those prices were steep and I don’t mind that they didn’t go through. However, if all trades are to be approved by Shannahan, then I don’t really see it as meddling. It’s just the how their org works.

However, it makes management look dysfunctional when a deal gets put in place and gets nixed at the last step thus wasting everybody’s time.

That's fair. Of course, I imagine a trade might not receive either approval or a veto from above the GM until all of the particulars are in place.

I thought it was previously reported (not sure by whom) and mentioned somewhere on here that a trade hadn't reached the point in which MAF would have been asked to waive his NTC though? I could also be incorrect about that.

 

[hotpaws]

In fairness, Dubas was on record saying it was time to look at the Core 4. It was one of the last things he said before he got axed

he didn't say that , when asked about the off season he said everything was on the table which doesn't mean shit

but lets say he was going to move a core piece

Tavares - has a nmc and Dubas doesn't have the balls to make him waive

Mathews - your not trading your franchise center

that leaves Marner/Nylander and the popular opinion at that time was to move Willie for defensive help

can you imagine how hard our second line would get filled in without Willie there to drive the play and while he would have brought back a quality defender i highly doubt the tradeoff would have improved us

the reason the core has been kept together is only due to mgmt not having the stones to get JT waive or not believing they could move him without paying

 

[Primary Assist]

I don't think he's afraid to pivot , i just don't think they know how to move JT who is core piece that needs to be moved .

What you nailed was how Shanny allowed Dubas to build a team considering what type of player he was .

AM - he doesn't really drive the play or make others around him better but he's solid defensively and can turn a nothing play into goal which is extremely valuable

WN/MM - different type of players but both are elite play drivers and make those around them better , Willie can also put up roughly 40g as well

so that leaves JT who has always been overpaid and overrated , he's like that lump of shit that sticks to the side of the bowl and refuses to release and sail off into oblivion

I do agree with most of this, well maybe I wouldn't be so harsh on Tavares in spite of me wanting him gone, but I do think Matthews makes the players around him better. He is so solid defensively that he lets an offensive offensive dman like Rielly really play his game. Matthews interrupts so many cycles and has such an active stick at the blue line so Rielly can make all these clean zone exits and entries in addition to pinches. He also opens up a lot of room for Mitch to play his best 200 foot game as well

 

[Racer88]

And thanks to the reactions of this f***ing fanbase to the entire thing over the last 20 years, it will NEVER happen again, except by accident. Guarantee the message the board is taking from this is tank rebuilds don't work in Toronto. So once everyone's fired we'll probably be going back to trying to rebuild through free agency, which no longer works under the cap.

Almost all the fans were on board with the tank rebuild and were prepared for a few years of pain untill it became obvious that Shanny and Dubas had no clue how to build a team…..starting with the Tavares contract that set in motion events destroyed the rebuild.