10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[All Mod Cons]

Treliving had $14 million in cap space this year and pissed it away. But apparently everything is the last guys fault lol

Brodie gave this team great player for years. Treliving spent about the same on John Klingberg and you guys can't bring yourselves to criticize him. Pathetic.

I think you can probably appreciate this is how everyone felt with the Dubas fan club. Always someone else's fault.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He was fired because of a failed money grab and power play.

Even with 5 consecutive seasons of playoff failure, he was on track to get extended.

That's the lay of the land here in Toronto, failure is rewarded tenfold.

Failed money grab? He's making 40m.

 

[Bomber0104]

Failed money grab? He's making 40m.

With another team...

He was fired from here for trying to get the same, not because of "talking like that" as you originally suggested

 

[Fogelhund]

Yes, Shanahan’s time should be up. Clean house and retool.

As far as Treliving and Dubas… I might fault them for being too patient with a core that hasn’t worked out, but IMO, this has been a player issue, more than GM or Coach. There is enough talent there, but they aren’t consistent with effort, and their play declines when it gets physical. There also just isn’t that next level compete, where they can raise their game at will.

To me, this is easily the most talented group I’ve seen in my lifetime, and the GM’s/Coaches have given them a revolving support cast, but it’s the core 4 players that have dropped the ball the most and disappointed us. Repeatedly.

I get it, there is some shared blame in management and coaching too, the results aren’t there… but they are a secondary issue.

New management, new coach, retool.

 

[hotpaws]

Treliving had $14 million in cap space this year and pissed it away. But apparently everything is the last guys fault lol

Brodie gave this team great player for years. Treliving spent about the same on John Klingberg and you guys can't bring yourselves to criticize him. Pathetic.

and who were these magical players that were available this past summer ? also what assets did you boy leave to acquire them , do you realize along with the 1sts he constantly dealt he moved our next four 2nd rd picks

did you also notice how pathetic the summer of Dubas in Pitt was ?

Brodie was good for about 2 yrs . he slid last year and looks cooked this year . McCabe is a 3rd pairing guy . Gio who he paid two 2nds and a 3rd for was nothing more than a 6/7 when we got him and is done now so pretty much all his adds are trash now

but forget about all this , what i have to know is how anyone could look at the team he inherited compared to what he left at the time he was fired and come to the conclusion that he's a genius and should be worshiped , it truly boggles my mind how devoted his fan club is considering how massive failure he was here

 

[Suntouchable13]

There’s no one higher up that knows enough or cares enough to fire Shanahan. All they see is profit, profit, profit. Why should they bother doing anything? The building is still full, even in this economy, people are also gobbling up the core 4 by buying merchandise. To them, everything is fine.

 

[thewave]

Yes, Shanahan’s time should be up. Clean house and retool.

As far as Treliving and Dubas… I might fault them for being too patient with a core that hasn’t worked out, but IMO, this has been a player issue, more than GM or Coach. There is enough talent there, but they aren’t consistent with effort, and their play declines when it gets physical. There also just isn’t that next level compete, where they can raise their game at will.

To me, this is easily the most talented group I’ve seen in my lifetime, and the GM’s/Coaches have given them a revolving support cast, but it’s the core 4 players that have dropped the ball the most and disappointed us. Repeatedly.

I get it, there is some shared blame in management and coaching too, the results aren’t there… but they are a secondary issue.

New management, new coach, retool.

They need a total and complete FO sweep. All of it gone in stages but fairly quick, maybe salvage some scouts. LarryT should be nowhere near this team as well.

 

[Arzak]

We have 11 mil in John Tavares doing absolutely nothing. That guy, unfortunately, is the biggest issue and started the beginning of the end.

They don't want to hear it.

I understand all the reasons why JT got paid. I might not agree, but he was C, second in scoring, face of Islander etc. I'm not buying SJ argument, but that is beside the point.

JT signing was the domino that set the stage for what we have now. JT is fine, even overpaid at $11M. Getting him because we can, not because we need C was the problem. You can't pay 2C and expect your 1C to forget his captain ambitions, internal cap structure or simple fact that 1B C as we like to call JT will by definition eat some of those juicy assignments meant for your 1st line / 1 C.

Bad signing on so many different levels. There is almost nothing JT could do, he was doomed to fail the moment he signed here. Doomed the rest of the Leafs with him.

 

[hotpaws]

For such a tough, dynamic player in his day it's incredible what an indecisive, flaccid executive he turned into, afraid to pivot from a plan that for (checks calendar when JT was signed) SIX YEARS HASN'T WORKED.

The whole lot of them can go for all I care, this team has been crippled beyond repair.

I don't think he's afraid to pivot , i just don't think they know how to move JT who is core piece that needs to be moved .

What you nailed was how Shanny allowed Dubas to build a team considering what type of player he was .

AM - he doesn't really drive the play or make others around him better but he's solid defensively and can turn a nothing play into goal which is extremely valuable

WN/MM - different type of players but both are elite play drivers and make those around them better , Willie can also put up roughly 40g as well

so that leaves JT who has always been overpaid and overrated , he's like that lump of shit that sticks to the side of the bowl and refuses to release and sail off into oblivion

 

[Carltons Cup]

He's nothing but a yes man and a puppet on a string for MLSE

 

[Twine Tickler]

Watching Mitch face the media after yesterdays game and and reiterate his stance that there is nothing to worry about, and that they played a good game is exactly the culture that will never succeed in this market. Or any market for that matter.

These guys don't hate losing, and they don't love winning enough. The very second you give this team any sort of praise for anything good, they take their foot off the gas. It's really the exact same mindset they take into games as well. Up 2-0, 3-0, 4-1...They feel good about themselves, and they stop working.

This culture needs change. Period.

Do I think Sheldon is the problem? no. I think he is part of the problem, just as I think the players themselves are. Unfortunately for Sheldon this is a results based industry, and he will have to face the music for this poor culture that he has perpetually enabled.

Mitch, showed ZERO accountability for his team's performances as of late. In fact, he decided to gaslight his entire fanbase, insinuating we need to relax. That is one of our best players and "leaders" saying this shit.

It's truly unacceptable and change needs to happen now. Moving out any core player is unrealistic mid season. The only logical move is to get rid of Sheldon and bring in a fresh perspective and hopefully put this group on their toes. It's time this entire team feels on edge. Not in a mental warfare type of way that Babs did, but in a way that more than David Kampf and Nick Robertson feel consequence for their actions.

Accountability is what this group needs.

 

[TheDoldrums]

and who were these magical players that were available this past summer ? also what assets did you boy leave to acquire them , do you realize along with the 1sts he constantly dealt he moved our next four 2nd rd picks

did you also notice how pathetic the summer of Dubas in Pitt was ?

Brodie was good for about 2 yrs . he slid last year and looks cooked this year . McCabe is a 3rd pairing guy . Gio who he paid two 2nds and a 3rd for was nothing more than a 6/7 when we got him and is done now so pretty much all his adds are trash now

but forget about all this , what i have to know is how anyone could look at the team he inherited compared to what he left at the time he was fired and come to the conclusion that he's a genius and should be worshiped , it truly boggles my mind how devoted his fan club is considering how massive failure he was here

It boggles my mind that you equate criticizing Trelivings offseason with calling Dubas a genius.

 

[A1LeafNation]

With another team...

He was fired from here for trying to get the same, not because of "talking like that" as you originally suggested

Shanahan taking it up the ass in contract negotiations suggest he wasn't on board with changes. Lol.

 

[Rob Brown]

Treliving had $14 million in cap space this year and pissed it away. But apparently everything is the last guys fault lol

Brodie gave this team great player for years. Treliving spent about the same on John Klingberg and you guys can't bring yourselves to criticize him. Pathetic.

I think it's more that a lot of the underlying problems on this team are from Dubas' time here.

Treliving had some bad UFA calls for sure, not saying he nailed it.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think it's more that a lot of the underlying problems on this team are from Dubas' time here.

Treliving had some bad UFA calls for sure, not saying he nailed it.

But we can't fire Dubas again. He's gone. We have to decide if Shanahan and Treliving are the guys to get the job done and I have zero confidence in that given the offseason moves and how the team has played this year.

 

[hotpaws]

It boggles my mind that you equate criticizing Trelivings offseason with calling Dubas a genius.

you shifted all the blame from Dubie to Tre like somehow he should have been able to magically acquire 2 quality top 4 D among other needs in one offseason with limited trade assets and limited availabilty of the type of players we need

and i don't give a damn if they turfed Tre tomorrow but that won't change the fact Dubas was grossly incompetent during his tenure here and that's why the teams in the state it's in

 

[hotpaws]

But we can't fire Dubas again. He's gone. We have to decide if Shanahan and Treliving are the guys to get the job done and I have zero confidence in that given the offseason moves and how the team has played this year.

maybe you should tell us a few of the moves you wanted Tre to make in the offseason instead of just shifting the blame away from Dubas

the so called undervalued assets that Dubies guys kept praising him for , well Tre acquired those as well in Jones/Benoit/Gregor/Lagerson

Domi's played well at his cap hit and Bert has been solid even though i'd like a little more production out of him

the only one's he missed on were Berg who'll finish his time here on ltir and Reaves who's also gone , so while both were misses there not affecting the team and at least we don't have to pay to get rid of them like Dubie's f*** ups

 

[IPS]

Treliving had $14 million in cap space this year and pissed it away. But apparently everything is the last guys fault lol

Brodie gave this team great player for years. Treliving spent about the same on John Klingberg and you guys can't bring yourselves to criticize him. Pathetic.

How is it any different than Dubie fans saying everything was Lou's fault for god knows how long?

That 3rd year of Marleau apparently had 10 years worth of damage on the team that sunk Dubie's chances.

We have 11 mil in John Tavares doing absolutely nothing. That guy, unfortunately, is the biggest issue and started the beginning of the end.

Heard during the Nylander hot streak that JT is back and still in his prime.

That sure didn't last long.

 

[thewave]

Shanahan taking it up the ass in contract negotiations suggest he wasn't on board with changes. Lol.

Shanahan cuffed Tre in negotiations promising the 3 no trades and no coaching changes. Pretty sure I heard that, not 100% on the no coaching changes thing but wouldn't surprise me.

 

[GoonieFace]

Treliving had $14 million in cap space this year and pissed it away. But apparently everything is the last guys fault lol

Brodie gave this team great player for years. Treliving spent about the same on John Klingberg and you guys can't bring yourselves to criticize him. Pathetic.

It was a garbage free agent class, he took some shots on 1 year deals, and they haven’t worked out. What did you want him to do really? Hand out long term deals to average dmen like Graves/Orlov? Now he has little cap space next season because of previous management, with a lot of spots to fill.

Do I think Tre was the right choice? Probably not, but I’m guessing he didn’t want to further cripple the team with bad UFA deals, or trade whatever picks he has left or prospects.

This off-season will be a real test

 

[TheDoldrums]

How is it any different than Dubie fans saying everything was Lou's fault for god knows how long?

I do remember a lot of talk about "inheriting a 105 point team."

Haven't seen much of "inheriting a 111 point team" tho

anyways enjoy your circle jerk

 

[IPS]

I do remember a lot of talk about "inheriting a 105 point team."

Haven't seen much of "inheriting a 111 point team" tho

anyways enjoy your circle jerk

"Enjoy your circle jerk" seems like a nice way to avoid answering a question that you don't seem to want to answer.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I remember at the press conference of his hiring him sitting up there with this smug look on his face telling everyone how they were going to win with skill. It was shocking coming from him seeing as he was a blood and guts player and won. Skill does not win you Cups, determination wins Cups and he has assembled a core with ZERO determination

 

[Bomber0104]

"Enjoy your circle jerk" seems like a nice way to avoid answering a question that you don't seem to want to answer.

We're in here ripping on Shanahan and this guy comes in that we're not crying about Treliving enough for his liking.

Dubas fans are truly a unique species.

maybe you should tell us a few of the moves you wanted Tre to make in the offseason instead of just shifting the blame away from Dubas

the so called undervalued assets that Dubies guys kept praising him for , well Tre acquired those as well in Jones/Benoit/Gregor/Lagerson

Domi's played well at his cap hit and Bert has been solid even though i'd like a little more production out of him

the only one's he missed on were Berg who'll finish his time here on ltir and Reaves who's also gone , so while both were misses there not affecting the team and at least we don't have to pay to get rid of them like Dubie's f*** ups

The Klingberg one-year deal self-corrected itself. Very little damage done there.

Meanwhile JT currently sitting 86th in the NHL scoring collecting $11 million against the cap, 7th highest in the league. That is huge damage there and only going to get worse next year as well.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Guys, does anyone seriously know what his daily responsibilities are?

Spending 6-8 weeks in Toronto every year?