10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[ACC1224]

Never have. Its far more profitable to build an annual playoff team than an all in 2-3 cup push that may or may not work out (followed by a rebuild).

That makes zero sense.

 

[mclaren55]

I believe

That makes zero sense.

I may be wrong, but I believe he means having long term mediocrity is better than a flash in the pan cup victory. So if the team can be competitive, enter the playoffs every year, for say a decade vs., being super competitive for 2-3 years then falling off, the former would be more profitable.

2-3 years of going to the finals every year is 8-12 rounds, being consistent for a decade of 1st to 2nd round victories is 8-16 rounds, and they ice an entertaining hockey team for a decade vs. a few years. They sell more merchandise, have more fan loyalty to staple players, etc.

 

[ACC1224]

I believe

I may be wrong, but I believe he means having long term mediocrity is better than a flash in the pan cup victory. So if the team can be competitive, enter the playoffs every year, for say a decade vs., being super competitive for 2-3 years then falling off, the former would be more profitable.

2-3 years of going to the finals every year is 8-12 rounds, being consistent for a decade of 1st to 2nd round victories is 8-16 rounds, and they ice an entertaining hockey team for a decade vs. a few years. They sell more merchandise, have more fan loyalty to staple players, etc.

They are spending the same cap every year, it's not like they can load up one year over the next.
If they can get to the 1st round, how do they load up to try and win vs just playing the first round?
Playoff tickets pretty much double every round, so there is that too.

 

[hamzarocks]

lou --> mostly garabage

dubas --> straight garbage

pizza boy --> straight garbage

shannafraud --> straight garbage

I have never seen such a poor collection of management talked so highly amongst a fanbase

 

[Gallagbi]

I may be wrong, but I believe he means having long term mediocrity is better than a flash in the pan cup victory. So if the team can be competitive, enter the playoffs every year, for say a decade vs., being super competitive for 2-3 years then falling off, the former would be more profitable.

2-3 years of going to the finals every year is 8-12 rounds, being consistent for a decade of 1st to 2nd round victories is 8-16 rounds, and they ice an entertaining hockey team for a decade vs. a few years. They sell more merchandise, have more fan loyalty to staple players, etc.

From how they structure playoff tickets I figure a SCF loss is worth 6-7x more than a first round exit. Every round increases prices by the regular season amount. Stack on the hype, Leafs Square, Merchandise, etc..

 

[Buds17]

lou --> mostly garabage

dubas --> straight garbage

pizza boy --> straight garbage

shannafraud --> straight garbage

I have never seen such a poor collection of management talked so highly amongst a fanbase

This is probably because what came before all of it was somehow inexplicably worse.

 

[rutz]

I don’t think anyone here gets it. The leafs are making money hand over fist. The leafs are the hottest ticket in town.

Us diehards really don’t matter. And probably neither does winning.

The Leafs would make even more money advancing past the 2nd round in the playoffs no?

 

[Al14]

This past summer, Shanahan had an opportunity to toss a grenade into the room by replacing the coach and/or looking at trading a core piece. The team wasn't good in the playoffs despite winning a round and we are still seeing the same issues.

Yep, he could have fired Keefe and brought in a better experienced coach.

He also could have traded one or both of Marner and Nylander for a boatload. However, he allowed their NTCs to kick in, and then allowed for Nylander to receive an outlandish raise starting next season.

The Core 5 have NOT accomplished anything in the playoffs, and yet they earn more collectively than some players around the league that have won a few rounds and even the Stanley Cup !!!

Our Leafs/MLSE continue to reward failure. Keefe getting an extension and Nylander with his OUTRAGEOUS new contract are examples.

Marner, and his handlers, should be told to expect NO RAISE after next season. Tavares should be informed that he'll not be extended for more then $1M if he wants to remain a Leaf after next season.

As far as I'm concerned, it's far TOO LATE to play hardball with these ENTITLED PRINCESSES. However, it's better to start somewhere. Start with Marner and Tavares next season !!!

There's little to no incentive for our up and coming prospects to complete for jobs. They already must feel that there is little to no chance for them to earn decent pay checks with the Core 5 committing robbery and fraud with the Leafs salary cap. I wonder if Cowan and Minten are actually hoping to be traded.

I also can't see our Leafs being able to sign good college kids knowing that there is no chance for them to win a roster spot, and raise, with our Leafs at some point in the future.

Our Leafs/MLSE have to stop giving out retirement contracts expecting the Cap to rise enough to cover them. At this point, surrounding the Core 5 with decent supporting players, including better D-men and goalies, are nearing an impossibility.

JMHO.

 

[Menzinger]

Shanny has definitely earned a growing target on his back.

But very wary of interventionist ownership - the two times it's happened with the Leafs with Ballard and the Pension Plan it was among the worst periods for the franchise

 

[RunItBackAgain]

The Leafs would make even more money advancing past the 2nd round in the playoffs no?

Think of how much the solid gold statues will cost though

 

[ClarkSittler]

As I said in other threads Shanahan is the architect of this entire mess, he needs to be fired yesterday, incompetent clown.

 

[bax]

I don’t think anyone here gets it. The leafs are making money hand over fist. The leafs are the hottest ticket in town.

Us diehards really don’t matter. And probably neither does winning.

I'm one of the ones who doesn't get it I guess as I've never seen it this way. The Leafs winning it all would be a license to print money for years or even decades to come. Way more than the already astronomical amount they make now. They've just done a shit job of constructing this team with all these crazy contracts. They never should have let Matthews make more than Tavares on his first real contract.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I don’t think anyone here gets it. The leafs are making money hand over fist. The leafs are the hottest ticket in town.

Us diehards really don’t matter. And probably neither does winning.

Which is funny because even though I hate basketball at least the Raptors won a damn title.

You're absolutely right though IMO. It's a team owned by corporations, afraid to take risks or be politically incorrect, that exists for the purpose of what basically amounts to marketing and extortion. Winning is secondary because there is no other explanation. They had their chance and they totally blew it. If they were serious about winning they would have made hard decisions earlier than they did.

 

[al secord]

Boy, are you gonna be embarrassed when we win the cup this year.

 

[JKG33]

They don't want to hear it.

I understand all the reasons why JT got paid. I might not agree, but he was C, second in scoring, face of Islander etc. I'm not buying SJ argument, but that is beside the point.

JT signing was the domino that set the stage for what we have now. JT is fine, even overpaid at $11M. Getting him because we can, not because we need C was the problem. You can't pay 2C and expect your 1C to forget his captain ambitions, internal cap structure or simple fact that 1B C as we like to call JT will by definition eat some of those juicy assignments meant for your 1st line / 1 C.

Bad signing on so many different levels. There is almost nothing JT could do, he was doomed to fail the moment he signed here. Doomed the rest of the Leafs with him.

I'm tired of the argument that Tavares is the reason Matthews and Marner got overpaid.

JT was a UFA with his choice of teams. Those types get paid. Yet with the other two Dubas had all the leverage in the world to tell them to get f***ed. RFAs getting that kind of money was unprecedented, with or without JT.

Matthews was always going to go after money. He was the first and only north american player to skip out on major jr and college to chase a payday in europe. He's been doing it since day 1. In hindsight that was a major red flag.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Boy, are you gonna be embarrassed when we win the cup this year.

I love your dry wit

If any fan would rather be right than have their team succeed they aren't a real fan (which I'm not either anymore, but for other reasons.) I know the post isn't directed at me, but I'd personally love nothing more than for my pessimism to be unfounded and for me to eat an assload of crow for the rest of my life if it meant my team would win just once. They could cover my gravestone in shit-soaked roses, who cares, because we saw it. That's what matters.

 

[34]

Unless we miss the playoffs this year, I don’t see how Shanahan gets fired. And even then I am not 100% sure he will be.

Be prepared to see just this.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I love your dry wit

If any fan would rather be right than have their team succeed they aren't a real fan (which I'm not either anymore, but for other reasons.) I know the post isn't directed at me, but I'd personally love nothing more than for my pessimism to be unfounded and for me to eat an assload of crow for the rest of my life if it meant my team would win just once. They could cover my gravestone in shit-soaked roses, who cares, because we saw it. That's what matters.

Couldn’t have said it better. I’d take that cup right now even if it meant we go nowhere for the next 50 years guaranteed.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Couldn’t have said it better. I’d take that cup right now even if it meant we go nowhere for the next 50 years guaranteed.

I agree.

I'm not going to be alive in 50 years, or if I am, I will be in such a state where I cannot do anything other than mess myself and curse at imaginary objects. I'd rather have enjoyment and good memories sooner rather than later before I'm too old to notice or comprehend them.

 

[Al14]

Boy, are you gonna be embarrassed when we win the cup this year.

Well then, our Leafs, and the Core 5, better start performing game by game. Because, winning the Stanley Cup actually requires qualifying for the playoffs.

If our Leafs are playing possum, they are playing with fire. They better turn it on soon, and not continue to slip in the standings.

If I remember correctly, didn't our 1967 Cup winning Leafs lose 10 games in a row in the 1966-67 season?

 

[Racer88]

Shanny has definitely earned a growing target on his back.

But very wary of interventionist ownership - the two times it's happened with the Leafs with Ballard and the Pension Plan it was among the worst periods for the franchise

I wouldn’t want ownership to intervene on a day to day basis but after 10 years I do want them to fire Shanny and install a fresh voice and fresh vision.

 

[kingzley]

The way MLSE has treated its Core you think they were trying to protect a Dynasty, instead they have perfected the Art of Failure!

Shanny needs to go. You've had more than enough time to bring playoff success and Stanley to Toronto, and you have failed.

We have become the laughing stock of the NHL.

 

[fancy lad]

I just don't understand the structure MLSE clubs run. There's a certain amount of anonymity about it. Same for both raptors and leafs. Masai and Shanahan are essentially wearing invisibility cloaks. Bad decision and It's treliving or bobby webster who are the problem or wait are Bobby and treliving only carrying out order brom Masai and Shanahan? Who f***ing knows at this point, It's all a bit of a mess.

they say Gm's have full control, but i don't believe that for a second.

 

[ACC1224]

I just don't understand the structure MLSE clubs run. There's a certain amount of anonymity about it. Same for both raptors and leafs. Masai and Shanahan are essentially wearing invisibility cloaks. Bad decision and It's treliving or bobby webster who are the problem or wait are Bobby and treliving only carrying out order brom Masai and Shanahan? Who f***ing knows at this point, It's all a bit of a mess.

they say Gm's have full control, but i don't believe that for a second.

There isn't a GM in the league that has full control unless they carry both titles.
It's a Management team like any business but they would defer to the GM's decisions on personnel in most instances.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

the difference masai knows raps weren’t good enough and made big changes. hree times. First when he gkt here it didn’t work, second time won a cup and third time TBD