10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[Superstar]

Shanny is not that old...maybe 20 years...

 

[Gilmour1996]

Shanny is not that old...maybe 20 years...

You cannot determine his age by looking at his teeth, like you might when buying a horse. Anyone looking at his recent track record may very well think he's ready for the glue factory. Certainly a risky bet to win, place or show when the stakes are high.

 

[hfman]

A team good enough to get into the playoffs.
Enough people to tell you "as long as you get to the playoffs, you always have a chance"
Being 'good enough' to sell out the games, enough stars to keep selling merchandiser.
Of course, the building being full and ratings being high.
Good enough or enough of a 'story' to have prime spots in local media (print, radio, TV)

How much more can an ownership group that cares about $$ really want? He's doing a GREAT job for them.

If I'm ownership/decision makers at a high level, do I really WANT to change the current situation for a slight increase in chances at a cup, but also a slight chance than any of the above goes away? Nope, that is what the FANS would do, I'm sure the top decision makers are pretty comfortable just the way things are.

What happened to the Blue Jays in '92 and '93 before they won the World Series?

Packed stadiums.


What happened after they won the World Series?

Empty Stadiums.



The Leafs are full aware of that.

A losing team in Toronto has always equated to financial success.




They will never do what the Jays did and ruin their winning recipe.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

What happened to the Blue Jays in '92 and '93 before they won the World Series?

Packed stadiums.


What happened after they won the World Series?

Empty Stadiums.



The Leafs are full aware of that.

A losing team in Toronto has always equated to financial success.




They will never do what the Jays did and ruin their winning recipe.

It’s actually not wrong. I feel like if we ever do win I’ll just stop caring. f*** we are f***ed…

 

[Buds17]

What happened to the Blue Jays in '92 and '93 before they won the World Series?

Packed stadiums.


What happened after they won the World Series?

Empty Stadiums.



The Leafs are full aware of that.

A losing team in Toronto has always equated to financial success.




They will never do what the Jays did and ruin their winning recipe.

The Blue Jays also were unable to make the playoffs again for over 20 years after their back-to-back triumphs due in part to how few MLB teams made the postseason for so long.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

It starts with Shanahan. Guys teflon. Does he have incriminating evidence on mlse suits? Anybody? 10 years of utter failure. Loser soft culture Old soft d men. Slow. Goalies suck but anyone would here. Forwards afraid to go to the net. The roster is so terribly disjointed. Not a team at all. Bunch of lazy soft mo defence forwards. ALL the guys that left shouldve stayed. Hymen. Bunting. Kadri. ROR. Lybushkin Lafferty. Engvall. Mickeyev. Fast and defensively responsible. Schenn. Bert and Domi suck defensively and can't score. Keefe sucks. The core 4 are soft and feminine. Laughs. One playoff win with this overpaid core. Shanahan and Keefe GTFO. MM needs to go with his daddy. Do not buy sell at the deadline. Need a goalie. 2 big hard rugged dmen and 3 good hard yoingish forwards to go into the corners and stand in front of the net. JT is no captain. Gio and Brodie need to RETIRE!!!

 

[Leaf4Life79]

I agree, Shanny the hockey.player was amazing for the wings back in the day, Shanny, the president,.is clueless....get gone, take your bum chum Keefe, with you and trev.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Leafs fans have now done a life sentence with Shanahan.

Imagine entering a coma the day after Shanahan was hired. You wake up today and find out the team has won a single playoffs round. Would you be more shocked at the team's stunning lack of success?

Or the fact Shanahan still has a job?

Shanahan needs to go. The team has become moldy as stale cheese. Stinks just as bad too.

Time for some fresh meat.

The only thing Shanahan has done during his tenure here was make the stupid season ticket holders happy. Up until now the Leafs have tended to win more games than they lose since drafting Matthews. So long as they make the playoffs every year is all that matters.

The fact that ten years of Shanahan's presidency later the team only has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the cup is besides the point.

 

[hfman]

Shanahan.

1 playoff win in 10 years.

Still has his job.




Only in Toronto.

 

[ryno23]

Shannahan is a corporate stooge. He is more about appearances vs results. MLSE wants to be a DEI-friendly place hence all the diverse hires. Shannahan is a corporate book licker.

Shanahan has been criticized by many of his peers going back to his playing days and screwing his fellow players and going to Bettman behind their backs to get a deal done.

He is more worried about MLSE image as per the board vs winning.

It's MLSE board that is screwing this team over by not getting rid of Shannahan.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Shanahan was handed everything. He was allowed to tear apart the team and rebuild- something I don't ever remember happening in Toronto. He was able to hire the most coveted head coach and one of the most decorated GM's, was well as having a seemingly limitless budget to spend everywhere else. He was even given the green light to tank and, eventually, obtain an absolute wealth of young talent that almost any of team would envy.

Yet, we've won one playoff series, and we barely even won that.


His hiring of Dubas is unexplainable, and the decision to pull a 180 and blow up his very own "Shanaplan" by signing Tavares was also difficult to comprehend.

I cannot believe Shannan still has a job.

Dubas.

The CON of the decade.

Documentary needs to be made.

Non hockey soyboy beta male.
Convinces ex NHL tough guy
That to win in Hockey…
You need small talented players only.
And we can overpay.
And we WILL overpay.
Does a 180 and tries to get big tougher players after selling it all.
Tries to fleece MLSE and Shanahan again and uses family as bargaining chip.

Can’t make this shit up.

I’ll watch that on Netflix.

But yes shanahan needs to answer questions

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Dubas.

The CON of the decade.

Documentary needs to be made.

Non hockey soyboy beta male.
Convinces ex NHL tough guy
That to win in Hockey…
You need small talented players only.
And we can overpay.
And we WILL overpay.
Does a 180 and tries to get big tougher players after selling it all.
Tries to fleece MLSE and Shanahan again and uses family as bargaining chip.

Can’t make this shit up.

I’ll watch that on Netflix.

But yes shanahan needs to answer questions

I don’t believe he convinced Shanahan of anything. This is exactly the team/brand Shanahan wanted.

 

[colchar]

What happened to the Blue Jays in '92 and '93 before they won the World Series?

Packed stadiums.


What happened after they won the World Series?

Empty Stadiums.



The Leafs are full aware of that.

A losing team in Toronto has always equated to financial success.




They will never do what the Jays did and ruin their winning recipe.

What a load of shite.

Jays attendance went up after their first win. Yes, it came down after their second but you are purposely ignoring a huge factor in that - the strike. That started mid-season the next year so obviously affected attendance that year, and the Jays had losing records for the three or four years after the strike so your "a losing team in Toronto has always equated to financial success" is a complete and utter load of shite.

 

[colchar]

It starts with Shanahan. Guys teflon. Does he have incriminating evidence on mlse suits? Anybody? 10 years of utter failure. Loser soft culture Old soft d men. Slow. Goalies suck but anyone would here. Forwards afraid to go to the net. The roster is so terribly disjointed. Not a team at all. Bunch of lazy soft mo defence forwards. ALL the guys that left shouldve stayed. Hymen. Bunting. Kadri. ROR. Lybushkin Lafferty. Engvall. Mickeyev. Fast and defensively responsible. Schenn. Bert and Domi suck defensively and can't score. Keefe sucks. The core 4 are soft and feminine. Laughs. One playoff win with this overpaid core. Shanahan and Keefe GTFO. MM needs to go with his daddy. Do not buy sell at the deadline. Need a goalie. 2 big hard rugged dmen and 3 good hard yoingish forwards to go into the corners and stand in front of the net. JT is no captain. Gio and Brodie need to RETIRE!!!

Kadri had to go. After his repeated playoff stupidity, he had to be moved.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

maybe but almost everyone else should have stayed- notice they love to bring in old and washed up and or soft defensive players.

 

[Ports]

Shanahan‘s bonus is based upon Jersey sales so to the MLSE board he’s been a huge success and that’s the reason he won’t move on from the core four. There’s no other rational explanation.

 

[Ports]

Kadri had to go. After his repeated playoff stupidity, he had to be moved.

No he didn’t. They needed to bring in tougher players so he didn’t have to take on the entire Bruins team on his own. He was the only Leaf that showed any guts in those series. Signing JT for $11M when they already had a 30 goal 2C in Kadri at $6.5M less was the franchise changing mistake that derailed the Shanaplan.

 

[Puckstuff]

No he didn’t. They needed to bring in tougher players so he didn’t have to take on the entire Bruins team on his own. He was the only Leaf that showed any guts in those series. Signing JT for $11M when they already had a 30 goal 2C in Kadri at $6.5M less was the franchise changing mistake that derailed the Shanaplan.

That’s a whole lot of truth right here

 

[Antropovsky]

I'm reading a book about organizational behavior and the author comments that it's not a good idea to hire based on talent rather than skill. They provided examples on how Enron did this and talented people promoted too early because of their high education made huge mistakes costing the company millions.

Immediately this reminded me of what Shanahan did. He let the most experienced (skilled) NHL GM in the world go, in favor of talent. I recall Dubas said he was frightened to go to his first GM meeting and Shanahan told him basically to just say nothing and take notes. Which is an indication just how green Dubas was.

Anyways, Dubas did just as the Enron employees did.... He made big mistakes, costing the Leafs enormously. One being that he himself hired a coach based on Talent and not skill.

Shanahan deserves to go for this idiocy.

 

[Moonman]

maybe but almost everyone else should have stayed- notice they love to bring in old and washed up and or soft defensive players.

They have to bring in washed players because of the greed of our top players.

 

[Moonman]

No he didn’t. They needed to bring in tougher players so he didn’t have to take on the entire Bruins team on his own. He was the only Leaf that showed any guts in those series. Signing JT for $11M when they already had a 30 goal 2C in Kadri at $6.5M less was the franchise changing mistake that derailed the Shanaplan.

It ruined an entire generation

 

[sxvnert]

Kadri had to go. After his repeated playoff stupidity, he had to be moved.

Exactly. Trading Kadri + not signing Tavares to 11m was the proper path forward.

 

[Ports]

At the time there was no need for a second line centre on the team, if that money was invested into the D this team would be light years ahead of where they’re at right now……..


Just goes to show that if your a good apple doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be a good orange. Happens all the time……..

To me his heart isn’t in it. Does he even live in Toronto? Compare him to Presidents like Cam Neely and Jim Rutherford and many more who are heavily invested in their team. He had no experience in managing any level of hockey team and was given the keys to the most high profile team in hockey by another inexperienced hockey executive. He reputation around former players is he’s not a good teammate and a backstabber. To me he’s just another suit on the MLSE board who brings little to the table and only survives because apparently Larry Tanenbaum likes him. Hopefully Keith Pelley doesn’t and has the clout to fire him and hire the best person available for the job.

 

[Moonman]

I still don't blame Kadri for going after DeBrusk. The guy tried to kill Marleau with the turnbuckle, and the refs DGAF.

 

[Ports]

I believe

I may be wrong, but I believe he means having long term mediocrity is better than a flash in the pan cup victory. So if the team can be competitive, enter the playoffs every year, for say a decade vs., being super competitive for 2-3 years then falling off, the former would be more profitable.

2-3 years of going to the finals every year is 8-12 rounds, being consistent for a decade of 1st to 2nd round victories is 8-16 rounds, and they ice an entertaining hockey team for a decade vs. a few years. They sell more merchandise, have more fan loyalty to staple players, etc.

Here’s my problem with that line of thinking. The team is owned and essentially controlled by two giant media companies whose biggest hockey audience are the fans that their team and who draw the highest ratings. Why wouldn’t they want the Leafs to play four rounds instead of one. They make about $3M each home playoff game in gate receipts alone never mind higher broadcast numbers that mean more advertising income. An additional 10 home playoff games adds a minimum of $30M to the bottom line plus potentially increased advertising revenue. Their fixed costs don’t change so it’s all profit. Would I rather have a deep pockets super fan owning the team than faceless corporate ownership. Sure but sometimes those type of owners meddle too much. Lost Gate profits and advertising revenue should be enough motivation for this board to hire the right people.