10 years. Time is up Shanahan.

[hamzarocks]

Shanaplan is such a failure

Everyone and everthing in this org was praised to the tits and slowly it all fell off

Babcock, Lou, Hunter, Dubas, shanny all overrated here

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, rielly all underperformed here.

I cant believe it went so south. 2017 me legit thought we had the east locked down for next 10 years

 

[centipede2233]

Shanaplan is such a failure

Everyone and everthing in this org was praised to the tits and slowly it all fell off

Babcock, Lou, Hunter, Dubas, shanny all overrated here

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, rielly all underperformed here.

I cant believe it went so south. 2017 me legit thought we had the east locked down for next 10 years

It’s amazing what bad management will do to a promising young team…traded away kadri and a fantastic caphit for 2 super softies in kerfoot and Barrie. Giving ufa contracts to expiring ELC contracts M&M, pissing away picks for injured over the hill rentals like foligno..hiring a rookie gm who hired his buddy as a rookie coach, couldn’t find a good goalie, trading marleau because he overpaid the core, should have negotiated better and swallow that last year and keep marleau and your 1st…I could go on but I’m sure the pain is obvious..

 

[TheShape]

Doubt Shanny is all that fussed, at this point he's playing with house money. He's been raking in millions the past decade from MLSE. Speaks to the media once a year where he says a whole lot of nothing then catches the first flight back to NYC. Sweet gig.

 

[Boxscore]

Yes, if the Leafs bail in round 1 this year, big changes must happen in Toronto and Shanahan's departure should be the first shoe to drop. He has been paramount in assembling this core and shaping the culture -- both appear to be huge problems once again come playoffs.

How many times can you go to the well with a group of core players who are soft as putty and lack killer instinct? The core and culture are a problem, and it began with Shanahan who made the decision to -- along with Dubas -- neuter the culture with soft, fluffy, and passive-aggressive decision making and concessions.

At a high level, Shanahan has committed to a flawed core and hasn't had the cojones to extract one of the high-priced softies and replace them with an equal player who brings a different dynamic to the table. Instead, he's rewarded these players with massive contracts. Under Shanahan, there has been zero accountability amongst this group. He's basically said, "You underachieved once again in the playoffs? Cool, how about we give you top dollar to do it again." If the Leafs get smoked this round, he needs to be one of the people who fall on the sword.

And he's not alone. If we lose in the 1st round, I don't care what Tavares has left on his crummy deal... he needs to go. If he won't waive, staple him to the press box for 82 games. Enough is enough with the country club mentality. Marner? Gone. Spend the $12 mil annually he'll demand on battle-tested players with heart and grime. I'm talking real core players... not flotsam and jetsam that you grab from the bargain bin in the offseason.

 

[theTTC]

It’s amazing what bad management will do to a promising young team…traded away kadri and a fantastic caphit for 2 super softies in kerfoot and Barrie. Giving ufa contracts to expiring ELC contracts M&M, pissing away picks for injured over the hill rentals like foligno..hiring a rookie gm who hired his buddy as a rookie coach, couldn’t find a good goalie, trading marleau because he overpaid the core, should have negotiated better and swallow that last year and keep marleau and your 1st…I could go on but I’m sure the pain is obvious..

We had bleed-blue-and-white players in Zach Hyman and our own rats Kadri and Bunting. All gone - add that to the list of travesties. And who rubber stamped it all? Everyone together now: Brendan Shanahan.

 

[centipede2233]

We had bleed-blue-and-white players in Zach Hyman and our own rats Kadri and Bunting. All gone - add that to the list of travesties. And who rubber stamped it all? Everyone together now: Brendan Shanahan.

It’s a travesty what has happened with shanahan at the helm…

 

[sxvnert]

Hate to say but Shanny actually did what he was brought in to do. Stars to sell jerseys to justify massive ticket price increases + eight constitutive post season appearances vs one appearance (nhl shortened season) in the previous 11 years. The longer ownership continues to employ Shanny the more obvious its becoming that they're content with the status quo.

 

[ruaware41]

Shanahan was handed everything. He was allowed to tear apart the team and rebuild- something I don't ever remember happening in Toronto. He was able to hire the most coveted head coach and one of the most decorated GM's, was well as having a seemingly limitless budget to spend everywhere else. He was even given the green light to tank and, eventually, obtain an absolute wealth of young talent that almost any of team would envy.

Yet, we've won one playoff series, and we barely even won that.


His hiring of Dubas is unexplainable, and the decision to pull a 180 and blow up his very own "Shanaplan" by signing Tavares was also difficult to comprehend.

I cannot believe Shannan still has a job.

The bolded I disagree with. I hated the decision at the time. Absolutely hated it. But Leafs fans are some of the worst fans in human history. For years you all complained and whined about wanting a proper rebuild and "draft our own stars" and then like a bunch of hypocrites as soon as the team made the tiniest bit of noise everyone here collectively went goo goo ga ga at the prospect of signing Tavares, or Stamkos, or Pietrangelo. It was like porn to most people here.

There were a few people who said things like this is what we did for years and now we didn't want that which is why we wanted a proper rebuild in the first place and it's not worth it to add a 10m declining slow skating UFA and I distinctly remember the response I got was "when a player of this caliber is available, you don't pass on it."

Leafs fans are hypocrites and don't know what the f*** they actually want. They claim to want one thing but don't have the capacity to patiently see it out and as soon as they see the tiniest bit of success they go crazy and back to their old ways. Trading 2 seconds for Boyle was a mistake, signing Patrick Marleau was a mistake, signing Tavares was a mistake.

This fan base doesn't deserve a rebuild and never did. I'm sure MLSE reads online sentiment to assess fan interest that would help maximize sales and when every thread is people going ape shit insane at the idea of signing any ufa that becomes available it's natural they'll push management to pursue it.

 

[maskingagent]

I am getting tired of reading “fire Keefe” or “Dubas signed those deals” etc etc.

Shanahan hired all these guys and signed off on every contract, trade, and signing. He has had 10 years and hasn’t taken us anywhere one of us HFers couldn’t.

It’s time to move on. Start from the top (or as high up as we can go) and instil an identity in this franchise.

Fire Shanahan. I don’t care who has hurt feelings.

Every single fan just wants to win a cup and I don’t feel like anyone in management or on the team apart from a couple guys gives two f’s about a cup.

Shanahan being fired will only change a figure head, not fix the problem. The problem is ownership who is a board made up of Rogers and Bell and Keith Pelley. There will be no championships chased because ownership make enough money from regular season success and really don't emphasize post season success. Why do you think they can pay the tens of millions to mediocre players ? As long as there is this current ownership in place, there will never be a cup in Toronto. MLSE is too busy running too many sports properties and breaking ground on too many real estate projects to pay enough attention to a Leafs championship.

 

[MajorLeaf]

^ This

Ownership is always the issue. After 57 years with multiple presidents, managers, coaches and players it’s up to ownership to finally take the blame.

The media doesn’t help either giving players this entitlement of being better than what they truly are. Remember the Muskoka Five and their entitlement?

Look at these players in the Muskokas again hob nobbing with celebrities and the wealthy.

At the end of the day, this team is not ran properly by ownership and they allow for these soft entitled players on the team with poor management.

 

[PanniniClaus]

It is funny that Shanahan would endorse a path that was the opposite of the way he played. I don't really have a large opinion on his employment status.. it does not matter much. Treliving is at the helm right now, see if he can fix it.

 

[tokyoite]

He didnt hire barry trotz as our new GM
Why did he choose treliving over trotz ?
He is totally a moron.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Shanahan prioritizing the process over results has brought nothing but stagnation.

They're spinning their wheels stuck in the mud. It's better mud than they were stuck in before his hiring. But all that means is they've gone from one level of incompetence since Shanahan's arrival to another after.

They're no better off than in 2017 when they first made the playoffs.

A large portion of Leafs Nation want Shanahan gone. For good reason too. He's accomplished little except divide the fan base and incite the burning of jersey's.

So hard to believe he still has a job.

The greatest opportunity to win the cup in a lifetime is being pissed away. Yet ownership sits idly by watching it all unfold. Meanwhile the rest of us watch in horror while ticket and merchandise prices skyrocket for the same mediocre lacklustre product.

The only thing sticking to the process has resulted in so far is sticking it to the fans.

 

[Kazparov]

Shanahan being fired will only change a figure head, not fix the problem. The problem is ownership who is a board made up of Rogers and Bell and Keith Pelley. There will be no championships chased because ownership make enough money from regular season success and really don't emphasize post season success. Why do you think they can pay the tens of millions to mediocre players ? As long as there is this current ownership in place, there will never be a cup in Toronto. MLSE is too busy running too many sports properties and breaking ground on too many real estate projects to pay enough attention to a Leafs championship.

I have never bought this narrative. It doesn't make any sense.

Nothing would be more profitable than post season success. If the Leafs won the cup ticket prices go up , luxury box prices go up, more jersey sales, more amazon specials , more games in the ACC, more revenue all around.

Greedy corporations don't want less money, they want more money. The blame here is on people making hockey operation decisions.

 

[Racer88]

He didnt hire barry trotz as our new GM
Why did he choose treliving over trotz ?
He is totally a moron.

The reason he didn’t get Trotz is because the first thing Trotz would probably want to do is change up the make up of this soft over rated core and that would upset the people that think these guys are actually worth what they are being paid.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Shanny brought such hope.
He has now brought such disappointment.
The "stars" on this team while likeable to 10 to 30 yr olds, are not to those who watched Sittler, McDonald, Tiger, Salming, Turnbull, Gilmore, Clark etc. With their scars, their passions, their failures, their effort. Skill is not enough. I thought Shanny would know this.
He chose Dubas over Lou. Tre over Trotz. He chose skilled Marner and his 10.5 over passion, effort and skilled Hyman.
Shanny, time to pack up the bankers box.

 

[hoglund]

Has it been 10 years already, I thought that his plan started with the signing of Mathews in 2016, which is 8 years.

 

[Trapper]

Has it been 10 years already, I thought that his plan started with the signing of Mathews in 2016, which is 8 years.

Shanahan arrived in 2014 and working with Nonis began gutting the team and drafted Nylander. That was the start for me. 10 years.

 

[hoglund]

Shanahan arrived in 2014 and working with Nonis began gutting the team and drafted Nylander. That was the start for me. 10 years.

Ok, I didn't know that it started with Nylander. To be fair to Shanahan he didn't have much to work with they had to tank in 2016 to get Mathews and that's when I thought that Shannaplan's rebuild started.

 

[Boxscore]

It is funny that Shanahan would endorse a path that was the opposite of the way he played. I don't really have a large opinion on his employment status.. it does not matter much. Treliving is at the helm right now, see if he can fix it.

The bolded is crucial in a way. It's not that Shanahan endorsed a path that didn't involve mayhem, intimidation, and thuggery -- since those days are long gone -- but he swayed to the opposite extreme and was seduced by Dubas and his ultra-progressive BS plan of coddling players, laxing the dress code, overpaying young talent without demanding anything in return, and not holding people accountable because it would hurt their feelings.

Shanny has created a culture in this organization akin to cowering to your teenagers at home to make them happy. There's zero accountability, zero tough love, zero lines drawn in the sand, and it's spiraled into a situation where the Leafs at their core are a soft and fragile group. We're seeing that players like Simmonds, Reaves, Domi, etc. simply cannot be injected into the lineup and lead the team into war... because the core of the team is soft... and they drive the bus. When guys like Domi go rogue and overcompensate for an otherwise soft showing, the game gets derailed and it becomes counterproductive.

Having heart, grit, and fight is something instilled at the very top. All of the players must buy in, not just a few bargain basement temp pieces who act as mercenaries to "add grit." You can't have a couple fringe players just skate around like bees trying to stir things up when the stars won't find another gear and match the intensity on a shift-by-shift basis.

Shanny has made that soft culture acceptable.

 

[myleafs]

The bolded I disagree with. I hated the decision at the time. Absolutely hated it. But Leafs fans are some of the worst fans in human history. For years you all complained and whined about wanting a proper rebuild and "draft our own stars" and then like a bunch of hypocrites as soon as the team made the tiniest bit of noise everyone here collectively went goo goo ga ga at the prospect of signing Tavares, or Stamkos, or Pietrangelo. It was like porn to most people here.

There were a few people who said things like this is what we did for years and now we didn't want that which is why we wanted a proper rebuild in the first place and it's not worth it to add a 10m declining slow skating UFA and I distinctly remember the response I got was "when a player of this caliber is available, you don't pass on it."

Leafs fans are hypocrites and don't know what the f*** they actually want. They claim to want one thing but don't have the capacity to patiently see it out and as soon as they see the tiniest bit of success they go crazy and back to their old ways. Trading 2 seconds for Boyle was a mistake, signing Patrick Marleau was a mistake, signing Tavares was a mistake.

This fan base doesn't deserve a rebuild and never did. I'm sure MLSE reads online sentiment to assess fan interest that would help maximize sales and when every thread is people going ape shit insane at the idea of signing any ufa that becomes available it's natural they'll push management to pursue it.

So its the fans fault? rigggght.

And....I would suggest every single person is a hypocrite to some level, not just leaf fans.

 

[AvroArrow]

Shanaplan is such a failure

Everyone and everthing in this org was praised to the tits and slowly it all fell off

Babcock, Lou, Hunter, Dubas, shanny all overrated here

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, rielly all underperformed here.

I cant believe it went so south. 2017 me legit thought we had the east locked down for next 10 years

It was literally the Dubas hiring that destroyed this teams chances. Anything short of game 6 ECF and Shanny + Keefe both need to be fired.

 

[mjd1001]

This team is built more for the 'casual' fan than it is for the hard-core fan.

Its built for the fan that values big names and big stars, as many of them as possible, over pure roster contstruction.

Its built for the fan paying for a night of entertainment, jersey sales, expensive food, events, more than it is for winning at all costs.

Shanahan is doing what ownership wants him to do.

 

[Gallagbi]

This team is built more for the 'casual' fan than it is for the hard-core fan.

Its built for the fan that values big names and big stars, as many of them as possible, over pure roster contstruction.

Its built for the fan paying for a night of entertainment, jersey sales, expensive food, events, more than it is for winning at all costs.

Shanahan is doing what ownership wants him to do.

Winning makes them the most money

 

[m1ker]

How many times can you go to the well with a group of core players who are soft as putty and lack killer instinct?

It's simple because the same clowns that said we played well against Florida last year and lost due to puck luck will argue we did well this year and want to keep everything exactly how it is. Most people are scared of change