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GDT: 10/18 LA Kings @ Minnesota Wild 5 PM on FSW, FSN

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Choralone said:
Were we waiting for the post-game thread for this?

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Nah, good timing for me. :laugh:
 
damacles1156 said:
29-31 Ive been preaching.

Unless that player is special, like Doughty/Quick/Kopitar.

I would never sign a player past those ages, in today's NHL.

But I am also not a GM.
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Let players walk around 28, never trade draft picks, develop talent really well.
 
Reaper45 said:
If we're out at the deadline, move Carter and Martinez because they're the only ones worth anything that could help the Kings out. It sucks but the Kings can't do anything else.
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You can't really move Carter, just way too good of a deal. Moreover, we can't even have a legit 3rd line center much less a 2nd liner.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't move Carter. He has value for a reason. He's still good and on a good contract. And Kopitar stays with the team to the end, as far as I'm concerned.
 
HookKing said:
You can't really move Carter, just way too good of a deal. Moreover, we can't even have a legit 3rd line center much less a 2nd liner.
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Even as Carter ages he has the speed and hands to be an effective winger. If you trade Carter and leave Quick, Kopitar, and Toffoli as your only stars do you risk letting Doughty possibly go to a team that gives him a better shot......kid is competitive as anyone and I would hate to risk it.

This has always been a stop gap year, that's why DL signed plugs to 1 year contracts, didn't buyout Greene or Brown. I think he will align his true keepers or make a trade to supplement the keeper core and see what happens in expansion and see where the cap goes.

We need a retool, not a rebuild

Some help is coming, Kempe, Ladue, Gravel, Mersch. By the end of the year I would not be surprised to see each of these guys have played 15 to 30 games while scrubs sit or are traded or sent on waivers. We do have a bit of cap cushion this year
 
02-03 team was bad top to bottom, and bad goalies. Not a good coach either.

It's a miracle they had 33 wins.
 
The biggest problems getting in the way of this team making any improvements are deadweight contracts.

Brown and Gaborik will be impossible to move, King, Clifford and Lewis are all overpaid for whatever it is they contribute, and you have to keep in mind that they have to leave room for extensions for Toffoli and Pearson and eventually Doughty.

For the time being and likely for the next 2-3 years (maybe even beyond that) the Kings are ****ed.

It was worth selling assets to acquire the necessary players to win the Cups in 2012 and 2014, but Dean Lombardi's failure to realize that this team wasn't close to contention since then is going to set the team back for quite some time.

Hope you guys are used to being patient with this team, because we have to relive those trying years yet again. Might as well get used to watching some meaningless hockey through early April.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
The biggest problems getting in the way of this team making any improvements are deadweight contracts.

Brown and Gaborik will be impossible to move, King, Clifford and Lewis are all overpaid for whatever it is they contribute, and you have to keep in mind that they have to leave room for extensions for Toffoli and Pearson and eventually Doughty.

For the time being and likely for the next 2-3 years (maybe even beyond that) the Kings are ****ed.

It was worth selling assets to acquire the necessary players to win the Cups in 2012 and 2014, but Dean Lombardi's failure to realize that this team wasn't close to contention since then is going to set the team back for quite some time.

Hope you guys are used to being patient with this team, because we have to relive those trying years yet again. Might as well get used to watching some meaningless hockey through early April.
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I don't agree on this one. Vegas will take Gaborik in a new york new york minute. They will be desperate to put on a "show" and find any forward with some skill. His cap hit will be meaningless since he will be retired before they are competitive.
 
Great game!!! Pearson with 2 goals. Kings looked good, even dominated stretches. Goaltending kept the tank alive. Can't argue with that. It's a 6-3 league.

****ing hilarious. RP was completely wrong about Clifford being on the ice with the goalie pulled. It was Brown/Shore/Lewis. :laugh:
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
The biggest problems getting in the way of this team making any improvements are deadweight contracts.

Brown and Gaborik will be impossible to move, King, Clifford and Lewis are all overpaid for whatever it is they contribute, and you have to keep in mind that they have to leave room for extensions for Toffoli and Pearson and eventually Doughty.

For the time being and likely for the next 2-3 years (maybe even beyond that) the Kings are ****ed.

It was worth selling assets to acquire the necessary players to win the Cups in 2012 and 2014, but Dean Lombardi's failure to realize that this team wasn't close to contention since then is going to set the team back for quite some time.

Hope you guys are used to being patient with this team, because we have to relive those trying years yet again. Might as well get used to watching some meaningless hockey through early April.
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I just hope Doughty's up for a rebuild when he needs to be resigned. ;)
 
HookKing said:
I don't agree on this one. Vegas will take Gaborik in a new york new york minute. They will be desperate to put on a "show" and find any forward with some skill. His cap hit will be meaningless since he will be retired before they are competitive.
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He had 12 goals last year, in his mid 30's, and he misses an average of 25 games a year lately. What's the upside for Vegas? Don't take him, and you hurt a division rival. Maybe if you give Vegas something extra to take Gaborik. What good asset are you willing to give them? How much more of the future can the Kings keep giving up chasing a ghost?
 
kingsfan28 said:
They just re up him for F O U R more years!
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Ofcourse they did.

It's the Dean Lombardi brain dead strategy, just zero concept of how much risk and negativity comes with these long term deals.

It's one thing to sign Doughty, Kopitar and Quick to 8 year deals.

But Brown gets 8 years in 2013, contract that takes him to 37.
Richards isn't bought out, contract that would have taken him to 35
Greene gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 35
Gaborik gets 7 years!, contract that take him to 39!
Lewis gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 33

Dean gave extra years for lower cap hits, an awful and failed strategy that is going to set this franchise back in the rebuild.
 
funky said:
Even as Carter ages he has the speed and hands to be an effective winger. If you trade Carter and leave Quick, Kopitar, and Toffoli as your only stars do you risk letting Doughty possibly go to a team that gives him a better shot......kid is competitive as anyone and I would hate to risk it.

This has always been a stop gap year, that's why DL signed plugs to 1 year contracts, didn't buyout Greene or Brown. I think he will align his true keepers or make a trade to supplement the keeper core and see what happens in expansion and see where the cap goes.

We need a retool, not a rebuild

Some help is coming, Kempe, Ladue, Gravel, Mersch. By the end of the year I would not be surprised to see each of these guys have played 15 to 30 games while scrubs sit or are traded or sent on waivers. We do have a bit of cap cushion this year
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Problem is that I don't think this is a 1 year thing. What's going to be different next season? Roster will be essentially the same since they'll have no cap space after their re-sign Toffoli and Pearson. Mersch may be a regular. Same with Dowd. Maybe Gravel. As long as Sutter is coach, Amadio won't get rushed up. Kempe will be stuck in the bottom 6 if he even makes the NHL roster.
 
Herby said:
Ofcourse they did.

It's the Dean Lombardi brain dead strategy, just zero concept of how much risk and negativity comes with these long term deals.

It's one thing to sign Doughty, Kopitar and Quick to 8 year deals.

But Brown gets 8 years in 2013, contract that takes him to 37.
Richards isn't bought out, contract that would have taken him to 35
Greene gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 35
Gaborik gets 7 years!, contract that take him to 39!
Lewis gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 33

Dean gave extra years for lower cap hits, an awful and failed strategy that is going to set this franchise back in the rebuild.
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You just brought back memories of Dean Lombardi giving extensions to Dan Cloutier and John Zeiler.

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in his head...
 
Herby said:
Ofcourse they did.

It's the Dean Lombardi brain dead strategy, just zero concept of how much risk and negativity comes with these long term deals.

It's one thing to sign Doughty, Kopitar and Quick to 8 year deals.

But Brown gets 8 years in 2013, contract that takes him to 37.
Richards isn't bought out, contract that would have taken him to 35
Greene gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 35
Gaborik gets 7 years!, contract that take him to 39!
Lewis gets 4 years, contract that takes him to 33

Dean gave extra years for lower cap hits, an awful and failed strategy that is going to set this franchise back in the rebuild.
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I don't know how many GM's don't sign Brown and Gaborik at the time those deals were signed. The other stuff is up for debate, but the context of the Brown and Gaborik deals makes it almost impossible not to sign them at the time. Couldn't know Brown would be this bad even in the last year of his previous contract, and the whole reason for Gaborik is because Brown started to suck.
 
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