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GDT: 10/18 LA Kings @ Minnesota Wild 5 PM on FSW, FSN

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KingsFan7824 said:
He had 12 goals last year, in his mid 30's, and he misses an average of 25 games a year lately. What's the upside for Vegas? Don't take him, and you hurt a division rival. Maybe if you give Vegas something extra to take Gaborik. What good asset are you willing to give them? How much more of the future can the Kings keep giving up chasing a ghost?
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Vegas will not be a garden variety hockey town. They are all about entertainment. They would take Gaborik for nothing. Have you looked around at what skill in the forward ranks they are likely to get from the draft? They have to compete with all the shows going on in the city at any one time. They need their team to be exciting to watch with the ability to build an audience right from the get go.
 
Still think we should see if the Ducks will cough anything up for offloading the Bieksa contract. Moving that contract would be worth a lot to them and if he'll waive his NMC for anywhere it's the Kings.
 
HookKing said:
You can't really move Carter, just way too good of a deal. Moreover, we can't even have a legit 3rd line center much less a 2nd liner.
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Choralone said:
Yeah, I wouldn't move Carter. He has value for a reason. He's still good and on a good contract. And Kopitar stays with the team to the end, as far as I'm concerned.
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The problem is if you don't cut bait and retool right now, Doughty is going to walk. The Kings will have to rebuild when his contract is up. Gotta think longterm.
 
Reaper45 said:
The problem is if you don't cut bait and retool right now, Doughty is going to walk. The Kings will have to rebuild when his contract is up. Gotta think longterm.
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We have nearly 3 seasons before Doughty walks. No need to panic sell Carter any time soon.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
I don't know how many GM's don't sign Brown and Gaborik at the time those deals were signed. The other stuff is up for debate, but the context of the Brown and Gaborik deals makes it almost impossible not to sign them at the time. Couldn't know Brown would be this bad even in the last year of his previous contract, and the whole reason for Gaborik is because Brown started to suck.
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Well, like I said, I think 8 year deals that take non-star players well into their 30's is a bad idea.

The Gaborik signing for 7 years was to lower the cap hit, which again, is a flawed and terrible strategy. Should have signed Gabby to a 3-4 year deal for $6m a season rather than 7 years at $5m AAV. But again Dean Lombardi just couldn't look at things rationally and HAD to have the extra money to use towards bringing back Greene and Richards. Both of whom were basically at the end of their careers and could have easily been replaced by rookies making the minimum, but no Dean added $8m of cap hits to bring them back.

Gaborik would be attractive to a contender at the deadline if he were an UFA or even had one year left, with another four years after this one he has zero trade value, even with his "reduced" cap hit.

I'm sorry, there is no other way describe this but as a huge disaster by the GM. Other than the Lecavalier trade everything Dean has touched since 2014 has turned to ****. Below avg. NHL roster, awful contracts, awful pipeline. I hate to say this but I think the JQ injury may in the long run be one of the best things to happen to this team, it's going to give us a top pick and hopefully forces Dean's hand at the deadline to dump off some people.
 
I think it's a little disingenuous acting like the Kings fell off a cliff after the second cup and that the signs were everywhere that we were headed for a disaster or something. Last year we tied the franchise's 2nd best regular season point total, and lost to a Western Conference Champion Shark's team that had been re-engineered to beat us (and failed) the last several years. We looked very good for a long stretch, but peaked too early.

I'm not saying everything is peachy, but lets pump the brakes a little bit - we're not the Vancouver Canucks.
 
Just finished the DVR.

Totally in favor of embracing the mediocrity when there's a plan. There's no plan, except wait for Las Vegas to fix this.
 
Yo! The rebuild is real. Tanner Pearson. What a guy!

DL will prove his mettle in the next two or three seasons. AEG ain't getting rid of him. We're the only recent winner in LA (unless the Dodgers keep kicking ass).

I passed out on and off throughout the game, when I woke up and it was 5-1 I turned on my DVR of Bill Maher lol
 
Bandit said:
Remember when everyone was mad when Quick would give up one goal on 10 shots? How do you feel about 3 goals on 9 shots? Welcome back to the bad old days.
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Not sure if any of Quicks 1 goals were as bad as the 3 Zatkoff gave up tonight on 9 shots. Goal 2 was a back breaker, followed by the whiff later on.!
 
Las Vegas is not gonna be some circus organization like many on here think. Foley is a very smart guy and has hired very smart people. They are doing everything the right way. This will be a good team in a few years when draft picks start panning out. If you're expecting them to give you an easy get out of jail card, it's not gonna happen. No one is taking Brown and I highly doubt Vegas takes Gaborik. To quote the man in my avatar - "But if you're really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus because I hear the payoff may be that much greater."
 
Bandit said:
We're gonna be the last to win.
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We enjoyed the highest of highs for a three year span, now we get to suffer the lowest of lows like we were used to suffering through until we saw the team get to another level.

Who the hell knows when the Kings will be able to win another Cup. Hell, look at how the Flyers of the 70s only got two Cups and have failed to win their third for many decades now. And they've had quite a few opportunities too, except they had the misfortune of meeting teams like the Oilers, Red Wings and Blackhawks in their Cup Final defeats.

It's a tough pill to swallow for some, but welcome back to mediocrity.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Las Vegas is not gonna be some circus organization like many on here think. Foley is a very smart guy and has hired very smart people. They are doing everything the right way. This will be a good team in a few years when draft picks start panning out. If you're expecting them to give you an easy get out of jail card, it's not gonna happen. No one is taking Brown and I highly doubt Vegas takes Gaborik. To quote the man in my avatar - "But if you're really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus because I hear the payoff may be that much greater."
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No they won't. It will be at least 5 years before they even think about being competitive.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
We enjoyed the highest of highs for a three year span, now we get to suffer the lowest of lows like we were used to suffering through until we saw the team get to another level.

Who the hell knows when the Kings will be able to win another Cup. Hell, look at how the Flyers of the 70s only got two Cups and have failed to win their third for many decades now. And they've had quite a few opportunities too, except they had the misfortune of meeting teams like the Oilers, Red Wings and Blackhawks in their Cup Final defeats.

It's a tough pill to swallow for some, but welcome back to mediocrity.
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I don't think it's that bad. This season may take some antacid and lead to broken thing around peoples living rooms, but it'll be good to watch guys grow and find out what we have on the farm. I'm looking forward to the youth making a push in the next year or 2.

HookKing said:
No they won't. It will be at least 5 years before they even think about being competitive.
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They can turn it around sooner then 5 years. They have 1C, 2C, 1D, 1G right now. Really they only need to find a 3C, and sort the D out. They have most of the hard positions to fill already filled.

Edit: I also like the fight I saw from guys like Kopitar/Carter/Doughty tonight. They ended up losing, but they were fighting hard trying to come back.
 
Trolfoli said:
I don't think it's that bad. This season may take some antacid and lead to broken thing around peoples living rooms, but it'll be good to watch guys grow and find out what we have on the farm. I'm looking forward to the youth making a push in the next year or 2.



They can turn it around sooner then 5 years. They have 1C, 2C, 1D, 1G right now. Really they only need to find a 3C, and sort the D out. They have most of the hard positions to fill already filled.
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You know we're talking about Vegas right?
 
During my time as a fan, the most crushing defeat was the '93 Cup Final. Seeing the Kings lose three consecutive games in OT after winning Game 1 was such a deflating feeling.

Then comes the 93-94 season where I was naive enough to have hope that this team can build from the Cup run and go all the way again, but nope, they don't even come close to making the playoffs and will not be a playoff team again until '98, where they got swept from the Blues.

Aside from a single playoff series win in 2001, there really was a dark cloud for a very long time. I don't think any of us were kidding ourselves when the Kings made the playoffs in 2010 and 2011, we were just satisfied then that they proved themselves to be a playoff team, then 2012 happened, then 2013 kept our hopes up that they can continue to get better even after winning their first Cup, and they proved that with 2014.

The following season was just a mess given the turmoil the team had off the ice. Voynov, Richards and Stoll all being arrested within the same year. As good as their record proved to be last season, they're still hurting from all of the personnel that they've lost over the past few seasons, and nobody has really come up to replace those losses.

Now we have our newest versions of Aki Berg and Donald MacLean in Derek Forbort and Nick Shore. There really isn't one singular move that Lombardi can make to turn this thing around. It'll take some time, just like it did with Rutherford to fix the Penguins after Shero couldn't get that team back on top after 2009.
 
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