Confirmed with Link: Zibanejad, 2nd to NYR for Brassard, 7th

[jason2020]

Neil Patrick Harris
Many teams play that game take Detroit and Toronto they wanted the Leafs to pay 25% of Dions contract.

 

[Larionov]

This may be a little thing, but I think it is instructive. When Sweden put out the call for players for the Worlds this past Spring, Zibby declined. When the Rangers went out in the first round and Canada called, Brassard hopped the first flight over to Moscow and was one of Canada's best forwards with 11 points in 10 games, helping us win the Gold.

Sorry to go all Don Cherry, but I have lingering questions about ZBad's passion for the game, and seeing a 23 year old take a pass on the Worlds just reinforced them. Give me the guy who loves to play every time...

 

[armani]

I just think Brassard is the left kind of player to centre Hoffman and Ryan.

Fixed.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Great to see the usual reactionalist nature of the board is alive and well, we need a reminder every few months.

youth + potential + picks >>>>> actual production and results

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

This deal sucks... Lost faith in management lol

I'm not sure I've ever seen you have faith in management prior to this trade.

 

[Six Assets]

Cheapest franchise in the league.

Hoffman signing will soften the blow

 

[topshelf15]

Love this deal ,Zibby has played 3oo games in the nhl he isnt going to just put it all together like most here seem to think .He scored 51 lousy points with two of the better wingers in the east ,we needed better .And we got it

 

[Micklebot]

The good:
- Left handed, solid defensively, and imo a better playmaker than zib.
- great contract
The bad:
- 5 years older, not likely to get better, while Zib was scratching the surface (maybe)
- Similar player to Turris, we no longer have the different dimension that Zibanejad brought.

I don't know. This really sounds to me like a moved aimed at bridging us to Brown or White taking the role.

 

[Tundraman]

I know the left centre vs the right centre argument is valid but Mika was on the rise and Brassard has peaked yet they aren't that far apart points wise. There is a 5 year difference in age so where was Brassard 5 years ago. There is no comparison Mika is way ahead of the curve.

That said I always felt that Zib was miscast at centre. He should have been on right wing all along. The Sens just didn't draft or trade to fill the centre position properly and had no one else so forced Zib onto that box because of his size.

The other issue that leaves a bad taste is giving up a second. That should not have happened! I know it doesn't mean much when you win a trade but if it is a win it is a very short term gain for a long term loss. It looks like a budget deal rather than a hockey trade and those have the stench of Melnyk's wallet!

 

[Sens]

Brassard only out produced Zibanejad by 7Pts last season... Zibanejad is five years younger.

Safe to say the rebuild is over with this move and anything less then playoffs is a bust season

 

[Nordic*]

This trade only goes to show that this franchise has neither any idea nor any money, to ever be a contender as long as the current owners and staff are running things.

As if the trade in itself wasn't dumb enough, Ottawa even threw in a 2nd.

This will challenge the Bishop for Conacher trade as the worst in recent memory.

And hey, this off season isn't over by a long-shot, Ottawa can still make an even dumber trade - if that is at all possible.

 

[choi]

youth + potential + picks >>>>> actual production and results

Seriously. The 2nd round pick is way too overrated. Silfverberg is the only player who's proven anything so far amongst our prior 2nd rounders.
The pick has a better chance of turning into nothing than anything.

I value Hoffman and Ceci over that.

 

[Six Assets]

youth + potential + picks >>>>> actual production and results

to be fair, it's like that with most fan bases

 

[bert]

I see why the sens did it, and they are a better team today than yesterday.

Yeah Zibenejad's point totals are getting better but he gets alot of opportunity with really good players. He just doesnt seem to have it... The talent is there but thats not the issue for me. Coming into camp out of shape two years in a row, looking disinterested at times. His upside is very high but I have heard/seen too much to think that he will ever realize it. He should be as good as Scheifele if he put in the work but he doesnt do it.

I do think that 1 for 1 should have been the deal and the sens overpaid however they addressed a big need. They needed a left handed centermen, they needed a more mature room. Brassard is certainly the better player now but if Zibanejad does get it together he could end up being just as good.

Its the sens so you have to take the money, and contract term into account. Brassard having a front loaded contract and the fact that his deal expires in 3 years when Karlsson is up is something we have to look at. I think he sens are hoping in 3 years Logan Brown is ready to step into that top 6 centerman role.

I found Zibanejad very frustrating because you can see the full package but like I said earlier his attitude leaves alot to be desired and he is very inconsistent. I talked about this when he declined to play for Sweden at the World Championships, I think it would have given him the push to get on the World Cup team. He just doesnt seem to have that extra gear, or real competitive attitude thriving to be better.

 

[BonkTastic]

Pretty much confirms that the $2mil signing bonus matters to us.

 

[Hale The Villain]

New York likely wanted a prospect and Ottawa said no.

I'm 97% sure the reason the Sens are giving up the pick is because:

1) they approached NYR to acquire Brassard, a Ottawa kid, rather than the other way around. Also wouldn't be surprised if the Sens did Zib the favour of trading him to NYR to be with his girlfriend, as suggested earlier by a poster. Sens typical right there.

2) they didn't want to pay his signing bonus, giving up a higher pick to save Melnyk some coin

3) sens management has absolutely no idea how to properly manage assets, and almost always lose trades based on value

 

[beaniewong]

The good:
- Left handed, solid defensively, and imo a better playmaker than zib.
- great contract
The bad:
- 5 years older, not likely to get better, while Zib was scratching the surface (maybe)
- Similar player to Turris, we no longer have the different dimension that Zibanejad brought.

I don't know. This really sounds to me like a moved aimed at bridging us to Brown or White taking the role.

Your telling me that he plays like Turris....??

You're lying to yourself if you wouldn't want 2 Kyle Turris that can play with everyone and have success or a Turris and Zibanejad

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Neil Patrick Harris
Many teams play that game take Detroit and Toronto they wanted the Leafs to pay 25% of Dions contract.

That was for cap reasons, not salary.

 

[topshelf15]

I know the left centre vs the right centre argument is valid but Mika was on the rise and Brassard has peaked yet they aren't that far apart points wise. There is a 5 year difference in age so where was Brassard 5 years ago. There is no comparison Mika is way ahead of the curve.

That said I always felt that Zib was miscast at centre. He should have been on right wing all along. The Sens just didn't draft or trade to fill the centre position properly and had no one else so forced Zib onto that box because of his size.

The other issue that leaves a bad taste is giving up a second. That should not have happened! I know it doesn't mean much when you win a trade but if it is a win it is a very short term gain for a long term loss. It looks like a budget deal rather than a hockey trade and those have the stench of Melnyk's wallet!

How many picks and prospects do we need ??We already need to find more ice time for the kids we have

 

[Six Assets]

guess Zibanejad won't be spending the summer in Ottawa

 

[topshelf15]

Your telling me that he plays like Turris....??

You're lying to yourself if you wouldn't want 2 Kyle Turris that can play with everyone and have success or a Turris and Zibanejad

Bingo been preaching this all off season

 

[jason2020]

This trade only goes to show that this franchise has neither any idea nor any money, to ever be a contender as long as the current owners and staff are running things.

As if the trade in itself wasn't dumb enough, Ottawa even threw in a 2nd.

This will challenge the Bishop for Conacher trade as the worst in recent memory.

And hey, this off season isn't over by a long-shot, Ottawa can still make an even dumber trade - if that is at all possible.

Ottawa gets a players most on here were begging for yet some how its a awful move.

 

[FlyingJ]

When Ottawa traded for Turris people said Ottawa lost the trade big time now tell me how is that deal working for Phoenix.

These trades aren't comparable at all. Rundblad was in the midst of just his first season in the NHL and Turris was still just 22 and was playing for a coach who hadn't really given him much of a chance.

Here we have a 23 year old centre coming off back-to-back 20 goal seasons who was finally committing more to off-season training being traded for a another proven guy who is going to be 29 before the season starts. And while Brassard will likely still be good, his best years are already likely behind him. There's no real chance of untapped potential here.

Or is your logic simply that since Ottawa won a trade in the past it could happen here too despite the circumstances being completely different?

 

[jason2020]

That was for cap reasons, not salary.

No it was more to do with the salary.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

This trade only goes to show that this franchise has neither any idea nor any money, to ever be a contender as long as the current owners and staff are running things.

As if the trade in itself wasn't dumb enough, Ottawa even threw in a 2nd.

This will challenge the Bishop for Conacher trade as the worst in recent memory.

And hey, this off season isn't over by a long-shot, Ottawa can still make an even dumber trade - if that is at all possible.

All I could do is stare at your Sweden icon while you typed this though. Do you think you might be biased?

Obviously you believe Zib is going to be a very good player to hate the deal this much. Time will tell if you are correct or not.

Brassard is more my type of player, so I don't mind the deal.