Confirmed with Link: Zibanejad, 2nd to NYR for Brassard, 7th

[ChelFan31]

Seriously. The 2nd round pick is way too overrated. Silfverberg is the only player who's proven anything so far amongst our prior 2nd rounders.
The pick has a better chance of turning into nothing than anything.

I value Hoffman and Ceci over that.

just because it doesnt amount to much in your opinion, doesn't mean you just give it away. Thats just terrible management. If anything we should be the ones getting the second round pick as Zib has a higher ceiling and is much younger.....thats what you get when you hire a rookie GM

 

[armani]

This trade only goes to show that this franchise has neither any idea nor any money, to ever be a contender as long as the current owners and staff are running things.

As if the trade in itself wasn't dumb enough, Ottawa even threw in a 2nd.

This will challenge the Bishop for Conacher trade as the worst in recent memory.

And hey, this off season isn't over by a long-shot, Ottawa can still make an even dumber trade - if that is at all possible.

I may not be happy at the outset because we don't know what prompted this move (i.e. Zibby going through his summer routine of gaining protective layers around his waistline), but Brassard is no Conacher (i.e. Brassard is a proven 2C at worst or a low-end 1C a la Turris). Honeybadger was always unproven and still a move that makes no sense to me.

 

[Nordic*]

I see why the sens did it, and they are a better team today than yesterday.

Really? The stats disagree - and Zib finally started to show what he can do at the end of last season, going ppg for the last 20 games - and then they trade him for a 6 year older player who will probably not develop much, if anything at all, for the rest of his contract here.

This trade has to be one of the dumbest in Senators' history, and there's aaaa loooooot to choose from.

We'll see after the regular season, next season, who was right.

And we even added a 2nd in 2017...I'm so done...

 

[thrillclinton]

I feel like Bryan Murray had a hand in this deal, wasn't he after Brassad for years? (his name seemed to come up in every trade rumour)

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

New York has a wayyyyy bigger DJ scene than Ottawa could ever dream of. Zibanejad will thrive

 

[Gil Gunderson]

No it was more to do with the salary.

Neither Detroit or Toronto care about the actual salary.

 

[BondraTime]

Brassard adds playmaking and creativity into our top 6 that only Stone has. Ryan/Turris/Hoff are all shoot first players.

Understand why some are reacting the way they are, but this helps us out in more ways than one.

 

[emo]

Ok, take this with the usual "hearing it from a friend" business, but apparently, Mika's GF was moving to NYC to pursue something to do with fashion school or something...

So it may have been the Sens doing him a solid...

Again just something I heard. Not to be spread like gospel but from a usual source of mine who fills me in on Sens news.

Z-Bad literally just moved into a house he had built in Westboro. I don't think he wanted to be traded.

 

[BonkTastic]

Ottawa gets a players most on here were begging for yet some how its a awful move.

Yeah, but they wanted those players in exchange for our spare parts.

 

[jason2020]

I feel like Bryan Murray had a hand in this deal, wasn't he after Brassad for years? (his name seemed to come up in every trade rumour)

Don't take every rumor as being a true rumor many are made up.

 

[jason2020]

Yeah, but they wanted those players in exchange for our spare parts.

So what if it was White and Zib would you have been better with that.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Anyone else feel that Brassard will be a better fit as Ryan's center than Zibanejad?

 

[swiftwin]

Really? The stats disagree - and Zib finally started to show what he can do at the end of last season, going ppg for the last 20 games - and then they trade him for a 6 year older player who will probably not develop much, if anything at all, for the rest of his contract here.

This trade has to be one of the dumbest in Senators' history, and there's aaaa loooooot to choose from.

We'll see after the regular season, next season, who was right.

And we even added a 2nd in 2017...I'm so done...

Woopee freaking do. He does that every year. It's obvious he's not a dedicated hyockey player. He does not have the will to take his game to the next level. Brassard is a far better player, and a far better fit and teammate.

This will be one of the greatest trades in Senators history.

 

[GWNR]

This trade only goes to show that this franchise has neither any idea nor any money, to ever be a contender as long as the current owners and staff are running things.

As if the trade in itself wasn't dumb enough, Ottawa even threw in a 2nd.

This will challenge the Bishop for Conacher trade as the worst in recent memory.

And hey, this off season isn't over by a long-shot, Ottawa can still make an even dumber trade - if that is at all possible.

How is this even comparable to the Conacher trade?

Brassard has been in the league long enough to know what you're getting. Conacher was a rookie that got his stats padded by playing with Stamkos. That's similar how?

Here's a challenge, answer this: what don't you like about Brassard compared to Zibby? You literally didn't say anything about their games.

 

[topshelf15]

That extra money will come in handy when it comes to resign far more important players than Zibby was ever going to be here

 

[ChelFan31]

I feel like Bryan Murray had a hand in this deal, wasn't he after Brassad for years? (his name seemed to come up in every trade rumour)

guaranteed ... he's still very much involved in this org unfortunately. Not in the same capacity obv but Its still his regime left in tact with different title swaps

 

[Uchiha]

Anyone else feel that Brassard will be a better fit as Ryan's center than Zibanejad?

I do. Now Ryan has no excuses for his inevitable bad play.

 

[Larionov]

How many picks and prospects do we need ??We already need to find more ice time for the kids we have

^^^ This. So much this.

At some point, you have to play your prospects, and in some cases turn them into assets elsewhere. Otherwise, you just keep stockpiling young guys who have nowhere to play and grow. With Brown and White in the pipeline, trading Zibby for a slightly older, more proven guy was brilliant asset management. It doesn't mean that the Rangers got a bad deal - given their lack of youth and prospects getting Zibby and a second was probably good for them. This was primarily a hockey trade as opposed to a salary dump, the kind of which we don't see much anymore. No wonder people are confused...

 

[topshelf15]

Woopee freaking do. He does that every year. It's obvious he's not a dedicated hyockey player. He does not have the will to take his game to the next level. Brassard is a far better player, and a far better fit and teammate.

This will be one of the greatest trades in Senators history.

Iam so happy right now ,we got rid of one of the weakest 2nd line centers in the east .

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Brassard only out produced Zibanejad by 7Pts last season... Zibanejad is five years younger.

Safe to say the rebuild is over with this move and anything less then playoffs is a bust season

It's not about that. Look at it through playing style, and who Brassard will play and mesh with. He is a 200 foot player and playoff warrior, which is what the Sens need on this young team. He's been in the trenches in NYC.

Anyone else feel that Brassard will be a better fit as Ryan's center than Zibanejad?

absolutely.

 

[Icelevel]

The good:
- Left handed, solid defensively, and imo a better playmaker than zib.
- great contract
The bad:
- 5 years older, not likely to get better, while Zib was scratching the surface (maybe)
- Similar player to Turris, we no longer have the different dimension that Zibanejad brought.

I don't know. This really sounds to me like a moved aimed at bridging us to Brown or White taking the role.

Agree. So why not wait a year and trade for a need?
I'm not totally pissed about it just not sure why.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

A bit of a surprising trade at first, but it's one that I think can work out for us. The more I think about it, the more it does make sense from the Sens' side. I'm not a huge fan of having to add the 2nd due to the age difference but I think it may have been done because of the $2M bonus that the Rangers already paid Brassard this year.

There are a few reasons why I believe the Sens made the trade:

1) The need for a left handed center. The move looked a bit lateral to me when I first saw the headline, but considering that Zack Smith was our only left handed C going into next year, this move gives Boucher more options depending on the situation on the ice. So trading a right handed C for a left handed C does make sense.

2) More of a commitment to win now. This move tells me that management wants to make the playoffs this year and have the team take the next step. If you think about it, a chunk of this coming season's success would depend on Zibanejad's development. Can he repeat his performance from last year and build on it? With Brassard, the team is getting a more proven commodity that steps it up in the playoffs to boot. On the other hand, the move can look bad if Zibby does take the next step and plays like a 1C.

3) Financial reasons. Yes, everyone likes to talk about the Sens' budget and Melnyk's spending. I try to avoid all the "Melnyk is cheap", "Melnyk doesn't want to open the wallet" talk, but this move looks pretty great given the Senators' financial situation. We get a 50-60 point center for 3 years and have to pay 3.5M, 3M, 3M. We don't know what Zibby commands next offseason when his contract is up. This part is a plus for the organization.

Possible reason 4) I'm totally speculating with this part, but it's possible that Ottawa didn't like Zibanejad's development. We can speculate all we want about the overweight and conditioning issues, maybe it was an issue with the new coaching regime, who knows. The other thing to consider is that this year was probably a make-or-break year for Zibby's value..maybe the team wanted to cash in on his potential and get value back in case this year didn't go so well for Zibanejad.

Overall, I think I like the trade, but it will all come down to how Zibanejad develops in the next 2 years.

 

[topshelf15]

^^^ This. So much this.

At some point, you have to play your prospects, and in some cases turn them into assets elsewhere. Otherwise, you just keep stockpiling young guys who have nowhere to play and grow. With Brown and White in the pipeline, trading Zibby for a slightly older, more proven guy was brilliant asset management. It doesn't mean that the Rangers got a bad deal - given their lack of youth and prospects getting Zibby and a second was probably good for them. This was primarily a hockey trade as opposed to a salary dump, the kind of which we don't see much anymore. No wonder people are confused...

Bingo ,also saving some money to lock up far more important assets ,like JGP,Hoffy and Ceci in the short term while making sure there is room further out

 

[bert]

Really? The stats disagree - and Zib finally started to show what he can do at the end of last season, going ppg for the last 20 games - and then they trade him for a 6 year older player who will probably not develop much, if anything at all, for the rest of his contract here.

This trade has to be one of the dumbest in Senators' history, and there's aaaa loooooot to choose from.

We'll see after the regular season, next season, who was right.

And we even added a 2nd in 2017...I'm so done...

The stats dont disagree at all. Neither does the eye test.

Take my entire post next time you quote me please, I backed up that statement dont cherry pick.

 

[Baby Ryan]

The good:
- Left handed, solid defensively, and imo a better playmaker than zib.
- great contract
The bad:
- 5 years older, not likely to get better, while Zib was scratching the surface (maybe)
- Similar player to Turris, we no longer have the different dimension that Zibanejad brought.

I don't know. This really sounds to me like a moved aimed at bridging us to Brown or White taking the role.

Thing is we needed another Turris like player though.

- Easy to play with
- Consistent
- Fast, agile
- Great play making skills
- Not fat

I was a bit neutral at first, but with the mention of Brown/White in the pipelines I personally like the trade from a short+long term perspective.