Confirmed with Link: Zetterlund, Robins, 4th to Ottawa for 2025 2nd, Zack Ostapchuk, Noah Gregor

[Jargon]

Also insane when we have two of the worst contracts in the league relative to production on ice in Vlasic and Goodrow. What the f*** are we afraid of? That Zetterlund is somehow going to be worse value than them?

That’s the thing. I’m sure he’s not asking for 15 million. Who cares? Pay the guy, he can easily be part of the future.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yup pipeline is ass but there are still pieces that can be players all tho not sexy high end players.

Oh boy, a guy who "can be a player". Just what I was hoping for!

 

[cheechoo]

Smith + Mack + Eklund

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Igor Chernyshov 6'3 225lbs
Kasper Halttunen 6'3 210lbs
Zack Ostapchuk 6'4 215lbs
Quentin Musty 6'2 205lbs
Filip Bystedt 6'4 215lbs


Can Grier resist 6'3 Porter Martone at #2?

 

[Roasted Nuts]

On the bright side, we’re guaranteed to finish last for the McKenna and DuPont drafts

 

[Hodge]

Why do you need to trade him? Sign him and have him be as a fixture on your 3rd line who can move up in case of injuries. He is worth way more than a guy who might maybe sorta be Sturm, maybe.

It's hard to say without knowing exactly what he was asking for. If we signed him for 5x5 that would overlap with 3 years of Celebrini/Smith/Askarov's new contracts and 4 years of Eklund's. Is that the best use of 5M in cap space when we already have Graf, Chernyshov, Toffoli and possibly Smith as right-shot wingers in the top nine? Maybe it would have been fine but I can also see the logic in moving him now rather than waiting until year 3 or 4 of that deal when his production may have regressed due to loss of ice time and age-related decline.

 

[Lebanezer]

Smith + Mack + Eklund

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Igor Chernyshov 6'3 225lbs
Kasper Halttunen 6'3 210lbs
Zack Ostapchuk 6'4 215lbs
Quentin Musty 6'2 205lbs
Filip Bystedt 6'4 215lbs


Can Grier resist 6'3 Porter Martone at #2?

Only one of the guys currently on that list is in consideration for a roster spot to start next season (Chernyshov). Expectations on the other 4 should be mildly to extremely tapered at this point.

I also think that if Grier misses out on Schaefer he might take Martone. The size obsession is becoming comical, but Misa is 6'1", so maybe there's hope.

 

[TheBeard]

It's hard to say without knowing exactly what he was asking for. If we signed him for 5x5 that would overlap with 3 years of Celebrini/Smith/Askarov's new contracts and 4 years of Eklund's. Is that the best use of 5M in cap space when we already have Graf, Chernyshov, Toffoli and possibly Smith as right-shot wingers in the top nine? Maybe it would have been fine but I can also see the logic in moving him now rather than waiting until year 3 or 4 of that deal when his production may have regressed due to loss of ice time and age-related decline.

in 3 years, with the cap rising, 5 or even 6 million would be a steal.

 

[Tw1ster]

On the bright side, we’re guaranteed to finish last for the McKenna and DuPont drafts

Yeah, I agree. He won’t be making any more moves for the next two seasons

 

[fasterthanlight]

It's fine to trade zetterlund but not for this value

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Only one of the guys currently on that list is in consideration for a roster spot to start next season (Chernyshov). Expectations on the other 4 should be mildly to extremely tapered at this point.

I also think that if Grier misses out on Schaefer he might take Martone. The size obsession is becoming comical, but Misa is 6'1", so maybe there's hope.

you take Misa, and deal Eklund to balance the scales.

Seriously though i think this board needs to prepare for a Ek+EDM 1st+ deal for a top dman

 

[Hodge]

in 3 years, with the cap rising, 5 or even 6 million would be a steal.

I think you're overvaluing Zetterlund. This is a 40-45 point player getting top six minutes and regular power play time - what does he look like if/when he loses those opportunities to our up and coming forward prospects? He also doesn't really provide any defensive or play-driving value, doesn't kill penalties and his limitations with the puck can hurt offense generation when he's playing with top talent like Celebrini and Smith.

His speed and physicality will be missed though and that's definitely something Grier will have to address. I don't think that alone justifies signing him to a 5M+ AAV deal.

 

[OversKy]

Don't like the trade for what it is AT ALL. It almost feels like the Wahlman and Zetts trade returns are flipped. That being said it brings a smile to my face knowing that Grier isn't rushing the rebuild the way HF users want.

 

[TheBeard]

I think you're overvaluing Zetterlund. This is a 40-45 point player getting top six minutes and regular power play time - what does he look like if/when he loses those opportunities to our up and coming forward prospects? He also doesn't really provide any defensive or play-driving value, doesn't kill penalties and his limitations with the puck can hurt offense generation when he's playing with top talent like Celebrini and Smith.

His speed and physicality will be missed though and that's definitely something Grier will have to address. I don't think that alone justifies signing him to a 5M+ AAV deal.

Well, I hope you feel the same way when players are once again reluctant to want to come here and we end up with Mangiapane at 3 years 18 million.

 

[Hodge]

Don't like the trade for what it is AT ALL. It almost feels like the Wahlman and Zetts trade returns are flipped. That being said it brings a smile to my face knowing that Grier isn't rushing the rebuild the way HF users want.

Yup if you look at it as Walman, Zetterlund, Kunin and Robins for a 1st, 2nd, Ostapchuk, Gregor and Berglund that's a great exchange of assets for the rebuild, especially if the Zetterlund negotiations were going to be a problem.

 

[karltonian]

Bro wtf

 

[Kcoyote3]

Also even if you were worried about the counter offer from his camp, wait until the offseason. Maybe he gets an offersheet. Compensation is:

$2,290,457 to $4,580,917 - 2nd round pick
$4,580,917 to $6,871,374 - 1st and 3rd round picks

So like, even if he is in the 5M range we get more from an offersheet than this trade. If he isn't and he's being offered 4.5, we still get a 2nd. Sure we lose out on Ostapchuk, but this is like worst case...or you can just pay him 4.5M.

For a guy who seemingly wanted to be here and gelled well in the lockerroom...that your own scouting staff has praised and high-fived themselves for singling out in the Meier trade...I don't see the rush to offload him right now.

We could pay two Marners 14M in the offseason and still have cap space and a shit roster next year. Zetterlund or no Zetterlund. Without trying to buyout Vlasic or waive Goodrow. Probably without even putting Couture on IR.

It feels rushed and shortsighted, which is not typical of Grier.

 

[Hodge]

Well, I hope you feel the same way when players are once again reluctant to want to come here and we end up with Mangiapane at 3 years 18 million.

I don't think Zetterlund is some LeBron-type magnet to draw players here. Half the players on Eastern Conference teams probably don't even know who he is.

 

[PlayOn]

Sens fan but FYI our coach in Belleville raves about Ostapchuk everytime he’s asked about him. Last year someone asked if he can be compared to Nick Paul and he said “he has higher upside, is a better centre and has better hands than Nick Paul” having coached both of them. Always says he has great game management and IQ too. This year he used Adam Lowry as a comp.

Grain of salt and all, and obviously these are best case scenarios, but there is some real upside to be a key cog in a cup winner on the third line as opposed to an every day 4th liner that plays 8 minutes a night.

 

[Hodge]

Also even if you were worried about the counter offer from his camp, wait until the offseason. Maybe he gets an offersheet. Compensation is:

$2,290,457 to $4,580,917 - 2nd round pick
$4,580,917 to $6,871,374 - 1st and 3rd round picks

So like, even if he is in the 5M range we get more from an offersheet than this trade. If he isn't and he's being offered 4.5, we still get a 2nd. Sure we lose out on Ostapchuk, but this is like worst case...or you can just pay him 4.5M.

For a guy who seemingly wanted to be here and gelled well in the lockerroom...that your own scouting staff has praised and high-fived themselves for singling out in the Meier trade...I don't see the rush to offload him right now.

We could pay two Marners 14M in the offseason and still have cap space and a shit roster next year. Zetterlund or no Zetterlund. Without trying to buyout Vlasic or waive Goodrow. Probably without even putting Couture on IR.

It feels rushed and shortsighted, which is not typical of Grier.

Why would anyone give up a 1st and 3rd round pick just to grossly overpay Zetterlund when they can just sign a 45 point UFA winger without losing assets? That doesn't make sense. He'll be 26 at the start of next season, he's almost UFA aged himself. This isn't a Dylan Holloway situation.

 

[OversKy]

Also even if you were worried about the counter offer from his camp, wait until the offseason. Maybe he gets an offersheet. Compensation is:

$2,290,457 to $4,580,917 - 2nd round pick
$4,580,917 to $6,871,374 - 1st and 3rd round picks

So like, even if he is in the 5M range we get more from an offersheet than this trade. If he isn't and he's being offered 4.5, we still get a 2nd. Sure we lose out on Ostapchuk, but this is like worst case...or you can just pay him 4.5M.

For a guy who seemingly wanted to be here and gelled well in the lockerroom...that your own scouting staff has praised and high-fived themselves for singling out in the Meier trade...I don't see the rush to offload him right now.

We could pay two Marners 14M in the offseason and still have cap space and a shit roster next year. Zetterlund or no Zetterlund. Without trying to buyout Vlasic or waive Goodrow. Probably without even putting Couture on IR.

It feels rushed and shortsighted, which is not typical of Grier.

I guess he didn't expect a team to offersheet for the first and sees Ostapchuk as reasonable added value. I'm pretty ehhhh about it but I also think we should continue the tank for a couple more years.

 

[spintops]

IF there's no way you are going to pay Zetterlund what he is asking - You still didn't have to trade him right now. MG got terrible value for him.

 

[Jargon]

Sens fan but FYI our coach in Belleville raves about Ostapchuk everytime he’s asked about him. Last year someone asked if he can be compared to Nick Paul and he said “he has higher upside, is a better centre and has better hands than Nick Paul” having coached both of them. Always says he has great game management and IQ too. This year he used Adam Lowry as a comp.

Grain of salt and all, and obviously these are best case scenarios, but there is some real upside to be a key cog in a cup winner on the third line as opposed to an every day 4th liner that plays 8 minutes a night.

Honestly it s the only thing that makes sense to me — that Grier and his staff see him as a future top end 3C and wanted him here.

 

[Hodge]

IF there's no way you are going to pay Zetterlund what he is asking - You still didn't have to trade him right now. MG got terrible value for him.

Well they did have to trade him right now because it was the trade deadline. What would be the point of keeping him with no intention of negotiating a new contract? His RFA rights would certainly be worth less than this package.

 

[fasterthanlight]

It feels rushed and shortsighted, which is not typical of Grier.

Totally agree, but to be fair, he could have dire off-ice issues like playing Fortnite that could be driving down his value </s>

 

[Hodge]

Sens fan but FYI our coach in Belleville raves about Ostapchuk everytime he’s asked about him. Last year someone asked if he can be compared to Nick Paul and he said “he has higher upside, is a better centre and has better hands than Nick Paul” having coached both of them. Always says he has great game management and IQ too. This year he used Adam Lowry as a comp.

Grain of salt and all, and obviously these are best case scenarios, but there is some real upside to be a key cog in a cup winner on the third line as opposed to an every day 4th liner that plays 8 minutes a night.

Even "just" Nick Paul 2.0 would be an awesome outcome. You guys will love Zetterlund, he's like a bowling ball on skates. I'm assuming Tkachuk and Stutzle will keep playing together but occasionally assembling a Tkachuk-Cozens-Zetterlund line could terrorize opponents.