Zegras vs Suzuki

[Kairi Zaide]

Again, look at their on ice sh% at 5v5 last year. Suzuki's 11.5% is way ahead of his average, while Zegras's 9.6% is right where it should be.

Suzuki's individual shooting % of 16% was also way above his average and likely not sustainable.

The fact that their production was effectively identical, but with Zegras having more sustainable underlying numbers, is telling.

It's almost like his on-ice sh% is due to playing with another great finisher that he pairs well with in Caufield and playing a higher-risk offensive game under MSL than he did before. It might fluctuate obviously.

Regarding his individual shooting%, we are talking about a whooping 2-3 goals difference if he shot his average, and that's if those shots that don't go in don't generate rebounds for himself. It's in no way significant in and for itself because it's basically encompassed in their xGF difference.

 

[PensandCaps]

Suzuki easily. Same production, more polished, showed out in the playoffs.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Suzuki got that dawg in him tho , is Zegras built like that? It's a close poll regardless

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

27p in 12 career WJC games, absolutely took apart the competition with highlight reel goals and passes, including a clutch performance in the gold medal game vs a Canada team that people were talking about as the best in tournament history.

This .

I would rather have Suzuki as my teams best center vs Zegras. If you're picking a number 2, I'd probably still pick Suzuki.

Might have a bit to do with Zegras' face, idk

or being a Habs fan ?

Credibility = lost

Yup . You can pick apart his defensive game but he’s certainly not boring . What a whiff

 

[DaPhazz]

How’s that ? You know that vanilla means boring right ? That’s Suzuki…, not Zegras . I’m a fan of neither team so I recon I’m a bit more unbiased ..

Did you find Bergeron to be vanilla?

 

[canuckking1]

Zegras is just atrocious defensively and when you look at his offensive game ignoring the flash it’s nothing special. He’s closer to a winger than a C. I take Suzuki all day long and he ain’t all that special either.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

How’s that ? You know that vanilla means boring right ? That’s Suzuki…, not Zegras . I’m a fan of neither team so I recon I’m a bit more unbiased ..

The correct assessment is that neither are vanilla.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Did you find Bergeron to be vanilla?

Is he exciting ? Not overly but he’s also one of the best 2 way players of all time . There is no comparison.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Did you find Bergeron to be vanilla?

Didn’t realize Suzuki was the next Bergeron

Same guy that’ll say zegras is overhyped is putting Bergeron comps to Suzuki lol

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The correct assessment is that neither are vanilla.

Nope still Suzuki

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I'd take Suzuki right now, but Zegras is definitely young enough that he can still improve on his play in his own end.

That said, I think Zegras gets a bit overrated because he's a human highlight reel and marketable in a league that is a marketability desert.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

this made me realise Zegras still isnt signed any news on his contract ? curious if they go bridge or longterm like Caufield

 

[Speyer]

Both got 61 points in 21-22. Zegras did it in 7 less games.
Zegras had 1 less point in 1 less game in 22-23.

Sure, Suzuki scored 1 more point in 8 less games. Happy?

Still wrong...

 

[TS Quint]

How is this boring? He dekes like this in pretty much every game, he wires shots from the dots, he slings crazy passes, he taunts the enemy with his shit eater grin, he scores beauty datsyukians so goals and he even hits once in a while.

Underrated is right.

I picked Suzuki but really? A clip? You want to compare that to a Zegras clip?

Well he sure made ……give me a second to look this up…..Kelly Parker look bad…….whoever that is. Was this a preseason game?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's almost like his on-ice sh% is due to playing with another great finisher that he pairs well with in Caufield and playing a higher-risk offensive game under MSL than he did before. It might fluctuate obviously.

It is unlikely that he would maintain a 11.5% on ice sh%. I shouldn't have to explain why. Look at his oish% by season, maybe you can spot the outlier:
6.39
7.99
8.19
11.49

He had 64 GF vs 47 xGF. A skilled player should typically have a higher GF vs xGF, but not by that proportion.

Zegras had 57 GF vs 52 xGF.

Regarding his individual shooting%, we are talking about a whooping 2-3 goals difference if he shot his average, and that's if those shots that don't go in don't generate rebounds for himself. It's in no way significant in and for itself because it's basically encompassed in their xGF difference.

His career avg shooting percentage coming into this year was 11.2%. If he had shot his average, he'd have 18 goals last year instead of 26, which is a difference of 8 goals.

 

[HanSolo]

Lmao Zegras is the definition of vanilla

Lmao. There is a credible argument for Suzuki so this level of disingenuous hot take was so unnecessary.

 

[banks]

I'm a huge Suzuki fan. I liked him before he was drafted. There's not many players I believe in more than him.

But I still picked Zegras. The fun-o-meter is through the roof with this guy.

 

[Dust]

Suzuki is the better player right now, but I think Zegras is a bit further along in his development at the same age.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

19 months difference between the two, a year and a half.

Suzukis just as good offensively (Id say better) and brings more to the table. He plays hard, plays a two-way game (Even if his results arent great on this team.) and he brings major leadership.

Its gonna be the other way around because Zegras has a weird hype around him and because Suzuki is a Hab but its fine, we know whats what.

It's hf. You have to pick the younger guy because potential. It's the law.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It's hf. You have to pick the younger guy because potential. It's the law.

And if it's at all feasable, vote against the player from the more obnoxious fanbase

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

this made me realise Zegras still isnt signed any news on his contract ? curious if they go bridge or longterm like Caufield

my guess is he bridges…. Seems like the type to bet on himself

And if it's at all feasable, vote against the player from the more obnoxious fanbase

Or maybe just maybe people think zegras has the highest upside…. Which is a very logical thing to think

 

[Frank Drebin]

Or maybe just maybe people think zegras has the highest upside…. Which is a very logical thing to think

Maybe. And maybe what I said has a bit of truth to it too.

 

[Breakers]

Both players seen as a offensive leader for their teams but both have been giving back an absolute f-load defensively last season.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Maybe. And maybe what I said has a bit of truth to it too.

For the number of people voting against Suzuki because he's a Hab, there's probably even more that are voting for him because he's a Hab.

 

[DaPhazz]

Is he exciting ? Not overly but he’s also one of the best 2 way players of all time . There is no comparison.

So, is being 'exciting' an relevant metric or not?

Calling Suzuki vanilla, is it ... positive somehow if he's a 2-way player?

Not comparing anyone here, just their style.

Didn’t realize Suzuki was the next Bergeron

Same guy that’ll say zegras is overhyped is putting Bergeron comps to Suzuki lol

Hahaha, I knew you would chug that cheap bait. So this is where all the 'habs fans compared is player to X player' comments comes from! From haters (yeah you Zegs2sendhelp) who sneakily change the narrative to seduce their own anti-X agenda. Thanks for confirming what we already knew anyway.

Just read again my dude, I never compared anyone, only questionned the type of player. In this case, 'not exciting' solid 2-way players.