Waived: Zadina (Clears) - Contract Terminated, Signs with SJS

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Zadina gets put on waivers and won't be a roster player and people are still bitching. gotta love it.

 

[lilidk]

I believe in guy , happy he cleared. Get your confidence Philip and start scoring goals

 

[Hen Kolland]

And there he’s a problem as well. He bumps our other prospects down.

And if he plays better than them, they are probably worthless prospects as it is. You didn’t complain about Hirose being a top line forward in GR last year, why complain about Zadina now, unless it is grudge based.

Zadina no longer faces hurdles to be an NHL player. He’s a hurdle to be cleared by future NHL players.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

All I know is Zadina better not ever open his mouth again! The hockey gods humbled him!

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

And if he plays better than them, they are probably worthless prospects as it is. You didn’t complain about Hirose being a top line forward in GR last year, why complain about Zadina now, unless it is grudge based.

Zadina no longer faces hurdles to be an NHL player. He’s a hurdle to be cleared by future NHL players.

Or maybe those other prospects need the ice time more for development than Zadina?

If Zadina scores more than Mazur that doesn’t diminish Mazur as a prospect. There are plenty of high scorers in the AHL that aren’t good NHLers.

 

[Crunchy]

Or maybe those other prospects need the ice time more for development than Zadina?

If Zadina scores more than Mazur that doesn’t diminish Mazur as a prospect. There are plenty of high scorers in the AHL that aren’t good NHLers.

GR better cut all their AHL vets I guess

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Hope he comes in strong, puts up a majestic season, ups that trade value and gets shipped out for a haul.

 

[Al48]

“The easiest pick Ken Holland ever made”, Never forget that statement after him calling Zadina.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Or maybe those other prospects need the ice time more for development than Zadina?

If Zadina scores more than Mazur that doesn’t diminish Mazur as a prospect. There are plenty of high scorers in the AHL that aren’t good NHLers.

So now we are begging for ice time for a 21 year old prospect over a 23 year old failed first round pick? Back to the hand outs?

Like I said, if Mazur can’t outplay Zadina, that’s a Mazur problem, not a coaching problem or a management problem or a Zadina problem.

Zadina will still be playing to try to salvage anything that resembles a career. He’s only 2-3 years older than Mazur and Hanas. When he was the same age as those guys, he was playing NHL games. He was a good prospect and is by no means too old to figure it out. He deserves as much of a chance to earn his ice time as anyone else.

If you disagree with that, you are holding a grudge.

And all that being said, and I still wish he was doing it for a different team instead of the Wings organization.

 

[sepster]

the thing is if he did fully commit to being a role guy like you said. No matter how well he does in that role the fan base would still want him gone because he isn’t who we thought he’d be

More likely because he is small and soft, which isn't what most of the fanbase, and more importantly Steve Yzerman, doesn't want on the 4th line.

 

[sepster]

I believe in guy , happy he cleared. Get your confidence Philip and start scoring goals

Believe in him so much you've changed his first name in the hope he comes back a changed player!

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Or maybe those other prospects need the ice time more for development than Zadina?

If Zadina scores more than Mazur that doesn’t diminish Mazur as a prospect. There are plenty of high scorers in the AHL that aren’t good NHLers.

Man this is a reach.

You seriously think that Horcoff, Cleary and the coaching staff don't understand the importance of developing Red Wings prospects on the Griffins and would use Zadina in a way that hurts their development?

 

[lomekian]

One more name added to the Busts and Disappointment All Star Team. Will Veleno be next in line?

Mantha - Athanasiou - Zadina
Svechnikov - Sheahan - Frk
Jurco - Järnkrok - Pulkkinen
Turgeon - Ferraro - Tvrdon
Natasiuk

Cholowski - Smith
Sproul - Ouellett
Almqvist - Bäckman

Mrazek
McCollum

Wll tbf, Mantha & AA did recoup more draft capital for us than we used to acquire them, and Jarnkrok was traded away but has certainly proven worth the pick. Even the much maligned Smith gave us some decent service and got us a good pick back.

The rest....

Probably most disappointing is the duo of Sproul & Ouellette because they both won major awards in junior after being drafted, and appeared to be exceeding draft expectations only to both seeming stop developing from the age of 19.

 

[Henkka]

Zadina gets put on waivers and won't be a roster player and people are still bitching. gotta love it.

Yeah, we move on and it doesn't take long until these 2018 draftees are available as UFAs. You use 6 years to develop a draft pick and if they fail, then it's as easy to sign cheap UFAs for the player prime for 6 years.

Tells a lot about the current system.

We move on and we are already signing 2015 draftees to score goals like Sprong. Don¨t have to cry after Zadinas.

Wish him well where ever his career goes. Don't think he'll ever scores a goal for Red Wings anymore.

 

[odin1981]

Cholowski
Svechnikov
Rasmussen
Zadina

Ken Holland should be barred from ever attending another NHL draft. Edmonton must be crazy keeping that fossil around just because his agents 25 years ago located Datsyuk and Zetterberg. He hasn't drafted squat since then. Made some good FA signings by throwing the Ilitches money around back when every FA wanted to play for Detroit. Did nothing right his last 10 seasons in Detroit either in drafting, trades or free agency. He joined an organization where he was surrounded with people smarter than him like Nill, Bowman, and Devellano, until they eventually left and the Red Wings were stuck with Kenny. The man is a fraud and yet the imbeciles running the HHOF inducted him as a builder (instead of as a leech).

I'm by no means defending Kenny, but if you look at post 2014, I think that speaks to Tyler Wright's effectiveness (or lack there of) more. He was the one that confidence was given to turn around the depth in the organization, and outside of Larkin and Rasmussen he found f--- all, as well as having primarily top 10 picks. Granted Kenny swept him up with him when he took off to Edm so whatever but if you look at the draft capital he had access too he really saturated the organization in sub optimal talent.

 

[stillwater]

So now we are begging for ice time for a 21 year old prospect over a 23 year old failed first round pick? Back to the hand outs?

Like I said, if Mazur can’t outplay Zadina, that’s a Mazur problem, not a coaching problem or a management problem or a Zadina problem.

Zadina will still be playing to try to salvage anything that resembles a career. He’s only 2-3 years older than Mazur and Hanas. When he was the same age as those guys, he was playing NHL games. He was a good prospect and is by no means too old to figure it out. He deserves as much of a chance to earn his ice time as anyone else.

If you disagree with that, you are holding a grudge.

And all that being said, and I still wish he was doing it for a different team instead of the Wings organization.

 

[Henkka]

I'm by no means defending Kenny, but if you look at post 2014, I think that speaks to Tyler Wright's effectiveness (or lack there of) more. He was the one that confidence was given to turn around the depth in the organization, and outside of Larkin and Rasmussen he found f--- all, as well as having primarily top 10 picks. Granted Kenny swept him up with him when he took off to Edm so whatever but if you look at the draft capital he had access too he really saturated the organization in sub optimal talent.

It's quite funny how Kenny saved the scouting directors ass in many drafts...

2013 - traded down to draft Mantha, and with that extra pick we got Bertuzzi. Yzerman later on trades busting Mantha away, Vrana busted too, for different reasons but got also decent picks for Bertuzzi.

I don't say Tyler Wright was any good, but it wasn't also fair against him to in so many drafts to go with missing 2nd. Or, when he had extra picks, those classes were weak. All the timings were f***ed up for him. He did enter in the business on worst possible Red Wings era, and was mediocre vs. those classes. Also extremely unlucky having two injury prone picks as Svechnikov and Zadina.

It just looks really bad, imo, worse than he deserves.

But Kenny saved his ass at 2016 draft, where than Chychrun trade-down got us Hronek. So Cholowski could bust and we still got decent defenceman, who later on was traded for 1st + 2nd again. Double picks are usually very good incurance policy.

Many times Kenny won't get any praise about these moves, which look good long-term. All the negatives are only remembered, and that very sad. Will tell a lot about people who hated Kenny. He did give so much good things for us, and people like to remember only the bad days.

Tells more about the people than about Ken Holland.

 

[odin1981]

It's quite funny how Kenny saved the scouting directors ass in many drafts...

2013 - traded down to draft Mantha, and with that extra pick we got BErtuzzi. Yzerman later on trades busting Mantha away, Vrana busted but got also decent picks for Bertuzzi

I don't say Tyler Wrigt was any good, but it wasn't also fair against him to in so many drafts to go with missing 2nd, or, when he had extra picks, those classes were weak. All the timings were f***ed up. He did enter in on worst possible era, and was mediocre vs. those classes. Also extremely unlucky having two injury prone pick as Svechnikov and Zadina.

It just looks really bad, imo, worse than he deserves.

But Kenny saved his ass at 2016 draft, where than Chychrun trade-down got us Hronek. So Cholowski could bust and we still got decent defenceman, who lated on was traded for 1st + 2nd again.

Many times Kenny won't get any praise about these moves, which look goo long-term. All the negatives are only remembered, and that very sad. Will tell a lot about people who hated Kenny. He did give so much good things for us, and people like to remember only the bad days.

Tells more about the people than about Ken Holland.

I wouldn't expect sure fire hits on picks every year. Busts do happen. But when you primarily sit through almost a 5 year stretch of top 10 picks and cannot find top 6 or top 4 players when developed it is bad. Also the Larkin pick given that he was at u of M how much of it was Tyler doing the work on him then just a very good young player coming up in our backyard? Only this year did Ras look lIke he might be capable in a top 6 forward position and that's like almost 5 years after being drafted. Granted, I'm not saying he had top 3-5 picks so I'm under no false illusion of expecting first line first pairing talent. But you pick top echelon for the entirety of your stay and 1 top 6 or top 4 talent drafted? That is piss poor.

 

[FMichael]

When we drafted Zadina, we were fresh off a season in which our highest-scoring defensemen were Mike Green (33 points) and a 36 year old Kronwall (27 points).

Quinn Hughes had just put up 29 points in 37 games as a freshman playing an hour down the road where our scouts could view him as often as they'd like. But then Zadina had to "fall to us". I'm still salty about it.

Agreed…I remember thinking to myself when reading a scout’s report on Zadina - “a pure goal scoring sniper in this year’s draft”…And what’s wrong with the kid down the road?

 

[FMichael]

He’s a bad player that doesn’t fit in any NHL role. Keeping him wastes a roster spot when we could have someone actually useful.

Anyone know of a good hypnotist?

Make Zadina think he’s the 2nd coming of Kirk Maltby…

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Man this is a reach.

You seriously think that Horcoff, Cleary and the coaching staff don't understand the importance of developing Red Wings prospects on the Griffins and would use Zadina in a way that hurts their development?

I forgot about the coaching change there.

I don’t think they’ll use Zadina in a way that intentionally hurts the prospects, but the wingers I’d rather get top 6 time down there are Mazur, Hanas and Soderblom. With GRG’s current lineup one of them likely gets pushed down a line.

 

[norrisnick]

Anyone know of a good hypnotist?

Make Zadina think he’s the 2nd coming of Kirk Maltby…

Or... you know a goal scorer. Maybe Slava Kozlov if we want to keep it modest.

 

[rangersblues]

Honestly, I didn't really follow the prospects that year. Only knew what people said, but yeah, the Q is terrible.

The Q has just won 4 straight Memorial Cups. The WHL hasn't won since 2014.

 

[norrisnick]

The Q has just won 4 straight Memorial Cups. The WHL hasn't won since 2014.

Not sure that success against kids is always the best indicator of success at the pro level.

 

[rangersblues]

Not sure that success against kids is always the best indicator of success at the pro level.

Not saying it is - although it's always better to have success. Just responding to a post that suggested the Q is a terrible league.