Rumor: Zach Hyman is signing in Edmonton - Done deal per James Mirtle

[paulhiggins]

or the business next door offered you 20% more than you are worth and current employer said you’d be stupid not to take that we won’t be paying you that much

I could live comfortably on 5M a year (I'm not greedy!) and I would rather live in TO than Edmonton, especially in the winter. I would be happy taking 20% less. Money isn't everything and no two employers or cities or co-workers are the same in all respects. It could be that there is a cancer in the organization in TO. On the other hand the organization in TO might be outstanding and he might not like the situation in Edmonton once he lives it for himself. Only Hyman can answer that, and not right away...certainly not before he gets there!

 

[Mess]

Leafs core is set.

The interesting part of going to be finding out where the kids are at?

Without full hockey seasons everywhere what happened to their youngsters?

Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander
Muzzin, Rielly, Brodie, Holl
Campbell

That really isn't going to change.

Really, unless they land something better than Holl, or Liljegren/Dermott knock him off, the competition is the bottom 6, and bottom pair.

Too bad the drafts prior to 2018 look like a lot of misses, or we could be saying "Play the kids!"

Mikheyev, Engvall, Brooks, Spezza, Simmonds, Kerfoot
Liljegren, Dermott, Sandin

Leafs didn't need protect Liljegren or Sandin so that was easy.

Losing Hyman to free agency? Unless Matthews and marner fail to deliver, or have peaked, I think they can get by with another player there.

Penalty killing, someone will replace Hyman there. There is only 1 Hyman in the league and other teams penalty kill. Other players have penalty killed in the minors, and growing up.

I bet they can sign a one dimensional player at a reasonable price who can PK.

What they can't do is fail to deliver in the post season.

And they really need a goaltender who comes up big when it matters.

At present Liljegren, Dermott, Sandin are all on the team as Dmen #5-7 as there is nobody else under contract in the organization at present.

The wild card as far as play the kids goes is really Nic Robertson and perhaps Joey Anderson.

With the immanent departure of Hyman the Leafs are really missing 2 X top 6 LW to play with the core 4. Those other current players listed as F are all 3rd and 4th liners.

Who the Leafs plan to use with Campbell as a tandem will be a key to the season.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He didn't choose to leave, the Leafs didn't pitch him a contract near his worth. Would you work for a 20% discount versus the business next door?

This is the problem with giving out the big contracts to the others. You can't expect Zach to take the hit on his contract to help the team when nobody else was willing to. This is why it was so important to keep the deals reasonable. Once the cat is out of the bag...it's over. The only guy who should have received big money was AM....everyone else gets much less.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

This is the problem with giving out the big contracts to the others. You can't expect Zach to take the hit on his contract to help the team when nobody else was willing to. This is why it was so important to keep the deals reasonable. Once the cat is out of the bag...it's over. The only guy who should have received big money was AM....everyone else gets much less.

Hyman was going to have to take a 25+ mill hit on his contract to be in a range where he makes sense to sign. He would have to be an idiot to do that. It does not matter if we had all of the cap space in the world, we should not be competing with the contract Edmonton is giving him.

 

[kb]

Taylor Hall just signed for 6, you really think Hyman is worth 5.5 ?

Whatever fits the Dubas narrative.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Hyman was going to have to take a 25+ mill hit on his contract to be in a range where he makes sense to sign. He would have to be an idiot to do that. It does not matter if we had all of the cap space in the world, we should not be competing with the contract Edmonton is giving him.

So you say Hyman would have to take $25M less than the $40M deal? So he would sign for 7yrs at $15M?

We just wanted people not to get over paid....we don't want to rip them off and have them play for peanuts.

 

[Canadian Game]

 

[TheDoldrums]

Good. Its worth way more to them than a 6th and I'm glad Dubas didn't cave.

 

[Beaszt519]

Yeah, well maybe the highlighted is why ...

Watching the series I could tell Hyman was getting fed up with his teams effort and I don't blame him. I understand people complain that the first line players for us weren't PPG but effort is something I never questioned when it came to Hyman... never once, not one game.

Leafs keep losing all the players I wish we added more of.

Kadri, Brown, Moore and now Hyman...

 

[hockeynorth]

I would take the sixth tbh but also don't care that much for a late pick to the point I'm annoyed over this

 

[paulhiggins]

Good! Glad Dubas didn't bend over. Maybe someone else will step up to the plate and grab him instead. If not, enjoy paying an extra 500,000 a year, Oilers.

 

[Walshy7]

I would take the sixth tbh but also don't care that much for a late pick to the point I'm annoyed over this

id take a 6th for the 7 year deal I’m not doing it and doing them a favour by signing him an extra year

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Good. Its worth way more to them than a 6th and I'm glad Dubas didn't cave.

Looks much better than being a nice guy able to be able taken advantage of.

Let’s just let everyone get a free crack at future UFAs and be a doormat so they can jump the market and already agree with a pending UFA, then turn around and say, thanks for doing us the favour, think we’ll just wait now and sign him without compensation

 

[Buds17]

Unless the Leafs are somehow going to benefit directly from any potential cap problems for Edmonton, I'd rather have the draft pick. Whatever and oh well.

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Honestly man I know one of the big names has to go. Im not sure if it's the right move or if we should just stay the course and keep em all. in 3 years if Matthews leaves and we prob dont resign Tavares the year after. Marner might be the only one left that actually wants to be here.

His playoffs has not been impressive. he's still young be nice if he could strengthen up and prove himself next time over us making a dumb trade that we will regret in a year, be nice if he used the negativity from this loss as motivation.

I'm down for change. at this point I don't care what that change is I'm going in this year completely unbiased and just hoping for the best.
If we don't get this right we could go on a path like we were after 04. I'm not excited to get back to a 10 year window of not even making the playoffs again.

Patience is key. hopefully the right moves comes along and we put this mess behind us next playoffs if we make it atleast.

Based off everything I’ve read from you I’ll say this

Yes I had confidence going into the season…once it started there were plenty of red flag moments with this group that showed you shouldn’t be overly optimistic regarding their ability to show up consistently (Ottawa comeback loss, Vancouver win coming back from COVID) as the easiest examples…there is something missing from the group and I’m not sure if you blame Dubas for his team makeup or whether you blame the players for lacking something in the area of intangibles, it’s a difficult puzzle to solve (more like a 12 sided rubix cube) and a lot of people will tend to oversimplify everything in order to place blame squarely in 1 simple place…personally it’s a mixture of team composition, organizational culture, mix of personalities and about 6 other extremely small things that most people wouldn’t even begin to consider and I don’t see a way out of it without a truly organizational rocking change (in what form I have no idea)

It’s a truly difficult problem to pinpoint exactly where it is going wrong and anyone who can simplify it to Dubas or just the players has oversimplified to an extreme degree

 

[jaric1862]

Interesting to see how Edmonton values 400k+in cap savings over the next 8 years.

 

[Cor]

Smart. Stand our ground.

You can't ask for $3.5M in cap savings over the life of the contract for the normal price of a rights trade.

Goodrow's rights got a 6th.

That means Hyman's should be worth at least a 5th.

Add in the cap savings, and I don't blame the Leafs for starting the ask at a 2nd. I would even settle for a 4th + 6th type of thing.

I just know the ones who will shit on Dubas for not getting a "free" draft pick are the same ones who shit on Dubas for not standing his ground in other negotiations

 

[PromisedLand]

losing hyman for nothing is stupid. take whatever you can get ffs.

there is a time to massage your ego and having a tough stand; this ain't it. losing an asset for nothing because of some crackpot ego is DUMB.

where was this tough stand during marner/matthews negotiations?

just take what you get for hyman and move on. don't let me him walk for nothing.

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

So another guy walks for nothing. Alright then. We know what to expect when Rielly walks next summer.

 

[Gallagbi]

It'll be interesting to see how many of the "Dubas should be willing to walk away in negotiations" crew blame Dubas.

Personally I think it's a minor mistake and would take what we can get. Especially when he should be the last big UFA walking for some time. Rielly needs to be signed or move, can't lose the asset again

 

[ULF_55]

Based off everything I’ve read from you I’ll say this

Yes I had confidence going into the season…once it started there were plenty of red flag moments with this group that showed you shouldn’t be overly optimistic regarding their ability to show up consistently (Ottawa comeback loss, Vancouver win coming back from COVID) as the easiest examples…there is something missing from the group and I’m not sure if you blame Dubas for his team makeup or whether you blame the players for lacking something in the area of intangibles, it’s a difficult puzzle to solve (more like a 12 sided rubix cube) and a lot of people will tend to oversimplify everything in order to place blame squarely in 1 simple place…personally it’s a mixture of team composition, organizational culture, mix of personalities and about 6 other extremely small things that most people wouldn’t even begin to consider and I don’t see a way out of it without a truly organizational rocking change (in what form I have no idea)

It’s a truly difficult problem to pinpoint exactly where it is going wrong and anyone who can simplify it to Dubas or just the players has oversimplified to an extreme degree

1 goal from $34mm in the playoffs.

Really, how can you blame the team for selecting Matthews and marner? Nothing to do with Dubas, but still who would have thought they'd be such a flop in this year's playoffs.

They made the correct choice didn't they?

 

[kb]

So another guy walks for nothing. Alright then. We know what to expect when Rielly walks next summer.

Yep. Too bad, missing out on a late 6th is a devastating loss.

Time to rebuild.

 

[ULF_55]

It'll be interesting to see how many of the "Dubas should be willing to walk away in negotiations" crew blame Dubas.

Personally I think it's a minor mistake and would take what we can get. Especially when he should be the last big UFA walking for some time. Rielly needs to be signed or move, can't lose the asset again

I said that yesterday, we're going to see people saying hold out for the most you can get flip to something is better than nothing as soon as it happens.

I was the take whatever you can get crowd, it gives you a free lottery ticket.

Leafs won't face Hyman in a meaningful game until the finals.

 

[PromisedLand]

Yep. Too bad, missing out on a late 6th is a devastating loss.

Time to rebuild.

i will give you 6 dollars or nothing. What do you prefer?

 

[Gallagbi]

I said that yesterday, we're going to see people saying hold out for the most you can get flip to something is better than nothing as soon as it happens.

I was the take whatever you can get crowd, it gives you a free lottery ticket.

Leafs won't face Hyman in a meaningful game until the finals.

It makes sense to hold if we're positioning ourselves in the future or negatively impacting competition

I don't see a similar situation popping up soon and I really don't care about Edmonton's cap situation given their out of our division and conference