Value of: Yzerplan put 18.1 million to Holl, Gostisbehere, Reimer, Compher, Sprong and Kostin

[Matty Sundin]

always had a hard on for ghost and wish we would get him

 

[SoundAndFury]

Between this thread and a similar ones about the moves Canucks made, hockey community as a whole really has a problem recognizing there actually are ways to improve other than scortched earth rebuilds. Just because some teams do it badly, feels like nobody is allowed to do anything at all anymore.

Yet those same people are very surprised when some teams are in eternal rebuild mode by hoping their few high-end picks just make them a winning team (Sabres, pre-McDavid Oilers, etc.).

 

[Petes2424]

The Hate Yzerman clan, always ready to pounce when they think he’s made a mistake, looking really bad on this one. Holl has been perfectly fine, Sprong, Compher, Reimer and Ghost have been better than expected, and Kostin and Fischer have shown what they can provide in a 7 game series.

They are a big reason why Detroit is ranked 4th at scoring 5 on 5….

Ghost was even killing penalties yesterday against Boston, and the points just keep coming. Compher is the big one though, because he got the long contract…. He’s been great. Not only has he been great, what he’s doing isn’t a “Streak.” Goal scorers and goalie have streaks. He’s playing his game, getting important minutes. As long as those minutes keep coming, he’ll keep producing like he has….

The Yzerman haters are gonna have to go back into hiding for awhile. Maybe they’ll be back if he gives Kane more than a year.

 

[DJJones]

Between this thread and a similar ones about the moves Canucks made, hockey community as a whole really has a problem recognizing there actually are ways to improve other than scortched earth rebuilds. Just because some teams do it badly, feels like nobody is allowed to do anything at all anymore.

Yet those same people are very surprised when some teams are in eternal rebuild mode by hoping their few high-end picks just make them a winning team (Sabres, pre-McDavid Oilers, etc.).

Yep, see this a lot with the flames. Fans want to go scorched earth and just assume we'll get two superstars and be able to replace the depth in no time.

It doesn't work like that.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Between this thread and a similar ones about the moves Canucks made, hockey community as a whole really has a problem recognizing there actually are ways to improve other than scortched earth rebuilds. Just because some teams do it badly, feels like nobody is allowed to do anything at all anymore.

Yet those same people are very surprised when some teams are in eternal rebuild mode by hoping their few high-end picks just make them a winning team (Sabres, pre-McDavid Oilers, etc.).

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

 

[saska sault]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

Picture Stalingrad post WW2 and you'll have an accurate representation of what Yzerman inherited. Yes it's year 5. The first 3 to 4 were trying to get a clean slate to actually start rebuilding. Yzerman getting HF heat when they are having a decent start to the season is strange. Is Detroits rebuild over, like they are capped out and without draft capital and prospects and cap flexibility?

 

[Shane Diesel]

Picture Stalingrad post WW2 and you'll have an accurate representation of what Yzerman inherited.

What a weird analogy. Yes Stalingrad was in ruins after the battle, but the Germans were defeated and the Red Army was on the offensive pretty much until the end of the war. You think Detroit will be marching to the SCF (Berlin) shortly?

 

[saska sault]

What a weird analogy. Yes Stalingrad was in ruins after the battle, but the Germans were defeated and the Red Army was on the offensive pretty much until the end of the war. You think Detroit will be marching to the SCF (Berlin) shortly?

Don't get too deep. Just watching a documentary and felt it was a cheeky reference to how bad Detroit was in most areas when Yzerman took over. The upswing is just staring. I think it's a few years before anything but a playoff birth is the goal. They have the resources and prospects to continue to get better from here.

 

[WF19]

Buffalo was supposed to be way ahead of us in their rebuild, same goes with Ottawa. Haven't checked the standings lately...Boston was also supposed to be on the decline yet they only have 2 regulation losses to the Wings. Yzerman is doing just fine after finally dealing with Hollands mess.

Speaking of Holland how are the Oilers doing this year with the best player on the planet?

 

[Petes2424]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

With one of the deepest prospect pools in the league now. The deepest on the blue line, and it’s not even close.

Detroit’s system was bone dry when Yzerman arrived 4 1/2 years ago, and they didn’t even have but 3-4 prospects to even develop. They’ve also collected all of the talent they now have in their system, with no pick higher than 4th overall. A player who’s already 200 games into his NHL career btw, and becoming a very good NHL player..

They’re also the only team in the league, over the last 4 drafts and completed, corresponding season, who’s had a first round pick from every draft (from their Manager), to have already played a game in the NHL. A streak that likely continues with Danielson late this season, to make it 5 in a row.

To rebuild from scratch, like they’ve done over the last 4 seasons, this being the 5th, you first have to acquire a bunch of draft picks, then draft as many quality prospects as possible, then add enough NHL players to put a competitive roster on the ice…. and finally, develop all of those prospects.

Exactly what they’ve done and are doing, with several very good prospects close to the NHL now.

They’ll now add them one by one as they’re ready, and don’t have to build around them, putting crazy amounts of pressure on them. Seems to be the proper way to do it, if you wanna be good for 10-15 years.. They also now have a lot of ammunition, to basically make any trade they’d like to.

That’s how you rebuild from scratch, without winning a lottery or two.

 

[FMichael]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

Thanks

With one of the deepest prospect pools in the league now. The deepest on the blue line, and it’s not even close.

Detroit’s system was bone dry when Yzerman arrived 4 1/2 years ago, and they didn’t even have but 3-4 prospects to even develop. They’ve also collected all of the talent they now have in their system, with no pick higher than 4th overall. A player who’s already 200 games into his NHL career btw, and becoming a very good NHL player..

They’re also the only team in the league, over the last 4 drafts and completed, corresponding season, who’s had a first round pick from every draft (from their Manager), to have already played a game in the NHL. A streak that likely continues with Danielson late this season, to make it 5 in a row.

To rebuild from scratch, like they’ve done over the last 4 seasons, this being the 5th, you first have to acquire a bunch of draft picks, then draft as many quality prospects as possible, then add enough NHL players to put a competitive roster on the ice…. and finally, develop all of those prospects.

Exactly what they’ve done and are doing, with several very good prospects close to the NHL now.

They’ll now add them one by one as they’re ready, and don’t have to build around them, putting crazy amounts of pressure on them. Seems to be the proper way to do it, if you wanna be good for 10-15 years.. They also now have a lot of ammunition, to basically make any trade they’d like to.

That’s how you rebuild from scratch, without winning a lottery or two.

You’re trying to use logic on rival fans who more than likely took advantage of the 2 for 1 lobotomy specials

 

[deca guard]

SPEAKING OF DANIELSON

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

By all means, keep doubting Stevie and the wings

 

[dekelikekocur]

What a weird analogy. Yes Stalingrad was in ruins after the battle, but the Germans were defeated and the Red Army was on the offensive pretty much until the end of the war. You think Detroit will be marching to the SCF (Berlin) shortly?

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Can you tell the difference between Yzerman's first season and this season?

 

[Pavels Dog]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

Improving your hockey team: Shane Diesel HATES this one trick!

 

[Ezekial]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

We were in a playoff spot in late February of 2023, your statement isn't accurate.

 

[Shane Diesel]

We were in a playoff spot in late February of 2023, your statement isn't accurate.

You sure showed me.

 

[Ezekial]

You sure showed me.

Not my fault you have shitty posts, my friend.

 

[Love]

Wings are the best example of what will be a team in long term mediocrity. Over the next 5-7 years I see them as being nowhere near the worst in the league but nowhere near cup contenders.

 

[Ezpz]

Should he have just went the Edmonton buffalo route of adding nobody to surround his rookies and stay bad for over a decade？Detroit got pretty screwed by lottery balls in this rebuild so have to make due with what they've got. Stutzle over Raymond would have been a massive difference.

 

[Jamaican Patty]

Wings are the best example of what will be a team in long term mediocrity. Over the next 5-7 years I see them as being nowhere near the worst in the league but nowhere near cup contenders.

Exactly plus their prospect pool is nothing special.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wings are the best example of what will be a team in long term mediocrity. Over the next 5-7 years I see them as being nowhere near the worst in the league but nowhere near cup contenders.

A few months ago people couldn’t predict the Wings would be a decent team this season so excuse me if I doubt your ability to project what they will be 5 years from now.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Around 20 games or so into Yzerman's fifth season as GM in Detroit and the Wings are a bubble playoff team for the first time after dropping a bunch of coin on second rate UFAs. Congratulations on the improvement.

With healthy breathing room under the cap, very few contracts that are going to hurt them long-term and AHL team packed with guys picked in first 2 rounds of the draft.

 

[Pavels Dog]

4 point night for ”second rate UFA” Shayne Gostisbehere.

 

[Petes2424]

4 point night for ”second rate UFA” Shayne Gostisbehere.

He’s been great. Killing penalties again today. 18 points in 19 games now. He’s getting even more space playing with Seider the last two games.