and the era start in 2019 with drafting Seider 6th overall. Zadina was the part of the previous train wreck that fell in Yzers lap.
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If anyone knows Detroit fan pain, it's NJD Fans as both teams:
1) Dominated the league in the 90s and 2000s
2) Sent picks and depth out of town to keep the good times rolling
3) The good times stopped very fast
4) The barest of cupboards, the driest of wells, all within a few years
5) Pain and suffering as this gross husk of a team bears the name of the franchise we remember as unstoppable
6) It's coming around
7) We have hope now
I think we let Yzerman put this into play to see what happens.
1) Dominated the league in the 90s and 2000s
2) Sent picks and depth out of town to keep the good times rolling
3) The good times stopped very fast
4) The barest of cupboards, the driest of wells, all within a few years
5) Pain and suffering as this gross husk of a team bears the name of the franchise we remember as unstoppable
6) It's coming around
7) We have hope now
I think we let Yzerman put this into play to see what happens.
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Just out of curiosity, is their another team, who’s had a 1st Round pick from each of the last 4 drafts (prior to 23’ obviously) already play in the NHL?? Especially one who’s never had a Top 3 pick in that span? 2 of whom, have already played two full NHL seasons?
They’ll be just fine. It takes time. It’s just took Colorado, what? 12-13 years?
People need to remember how empty that system was 4 years ago. It’s now loaded. Especially on the backend, where there’s not a deeper quality prospect pool in the NHL. The amount of 200+ NHL prospects they have to develop now, is pretty impressive actually.
They literally didn’t have a prospect pool to develop.. They had one prospect, Rasmussen, who’s likely going to be a very good NHL player. He already is in many respects. Then Valeno and McIssac. That’s it.
They just added 5-6 players who are much better than the players they’re replacing. Who cares if they overpaid on one of them. They have plenty of space. They’re a much better team than 10 days ago, with these moves. It’s UFA, of course they overpaid. Duh. Happens every year. There’s certainly not an anchor contract out of any of them.
For all those experts, what would’ve you done? Not sign these players and just hand positions to 19, 20, 21 year olds? Ask Colorado, Edmonton, Buffalo and a few others, how that works. You will ruin young players. Especially Dmen.
With the draft positions they’ve had, they’ve drafted as good as possible. Whether it was their intention or not, they’re building from the backend out. In 5 drafts, there’s not a team in the league with that quality of prospects on D. Now they’re developing kids. These picks have barely become pros.
That’s how it works. The system was bone dry. Here’s where they start seeing the kids incorporated into things.
This isn’t a video game.
They’ll be just fine. It takes time. It’s just took Colorado, what? 12-13 years?
People need to remember how empty that system was 4 years ago. It’s now loaded. Especially on the backend, where there’s not a deeper quality prospect pool in the NHL. The amount of 200+ NHL prospects they have to develop now, is pretty impressive actually.
They literally didn’t have a prospect pool to develop.. They had one prospect, Rasmussen, who’s likely going to be a very good NHL player. He already is in many respects. Then Valeno and McIssac. That’s it.
They just added 5-6 players who are much better than the players they’re replacing. Who cares if they overpaid on one of them. They have plenty of space. They’re a much better team than 10 days ago, with these moves. It’s UFA, of course they overpaid. Duh. Happens every year. There’s certainly not an anchor contract out of any of them.
For all those experts, what would’ve you done? Not sign these players and just hand positions to 19, 20, 21 year olds? Ask Colorado, Edmonton, Buffalo and a few others, how that works. You will ruin young players. Especially Dmen.
With the draft positions they’ve had, they’ve drafted as good as possible. Whether it was their intention or not, they’re building from the backend out. In 5 drafts, there’s not a team in the league with that quality of prospects on D. Now they’re developing kids. These picks have barely become pros.
That’s how it works. The system was bone dry. Here’s where they start seeing the kids incorporated into things.
This isn’t a video game.
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If Larkin, Raymond, Berggren Kasper, Danielson and Mazur all become ~60 point players, with the defence and goaltending Detroit should be rolling out, they can be very competitive. Detroit definitely doesnt have the flashy, high end forward outside of Raymond but they have a bunch of gritty, awesome 2 way players that you can win with, espeically with how their defence and goaltending is going to be. The real issue is that Detroit has made a tonne of picks the last few years and we havent had time to see any late rounders pan out.
Its impossible to say in hindishgt that Detroit hasnt been lucky with later round picks, but they have a bunch of later round picks that are trending extremely well. They have had so many picks lately, theyre bound to get a couple difference makers out of the lower rounds. But those guys take time to figure it out at the lower levels for a bit. Yzermans first draft was 2019, were you expecting any 2nd round picks or later to be making a difference already?
I for sure wouldn't say no to 6 ~60 point players but it is very unlikely that they all will contribute this way.
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No but if they dont, the plethora of other picks theyve made could have a guy or two come out and do that. Issue is that those guys take time
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I sure it has nothing to do with the state of the team when he came in.
Nope.
No way that's the case, gotta be the sun and taxes.
They’ve gott 99 problems but the cap ain’t one
Time is only an issue if you're in a hurry. Better follow the plan you set beforehand than rush things and regret it later.
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In all fairness, Walman has really turned it around and has looked very dynamic. I don't think stat watching applies here. You have to watch games to appreciate what he's doing. His game continues to get better each time he steps out on the ice. Watching him develop before your eyes has been magical and fairytale-esque. If you enjoy watching players grow before your eyes, then Walman is the guy to keep an eye on... he's fun to watch.
No, he's never going to be the next Erik Karlsson or anything like that. But he is proving to be a solid and dynamic top 4 that all teams would love to have on their respective roster.
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Patience is running low for dipshit Wings fans and for fans of other teams who can't wait to tapdance on Yzerman's grave after he built Tampa to be such a strong team.
There is a small, vocal group of Wings fans pissed at him while most are like team was a tirefire and we needed to take a season or two to even put the fire out before we got back to building it back up.
Why?
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Well Steve should be able to sign top talent for the cheap because he was able to get Stammer to sign for only 9 while Tavares was demanding 11. I'm sure that had everything to do with his charm and skill as a GM...and nothing to do with sun and taxes.
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SimonEdvinssonAtSix
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They also had a killer team going and guys wanted to be on it.........
Kinda like Detroit in the late 90s early 2000s......
hmmmmm.....
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Since no one answered you, Yzerman's leash is as long as Poile's was.
What is it Leaf’s fans always say about playing in Toronto when they are try to retain or sign players? But but but the eNdRoSmEnT dEaLs aRe hUgE iN tOrOnTo!!!!
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Thank you for the reply. But after the initial expansion era, Poile only missed the playoffs 3 out of 17 subsequent seasons, many of which were on a shoestring budget. So not exactly apples to oranges
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Toronto like most all of Canadian teams are usually on the NTC lists...Detroit might be right now. Any GM right now working in a Canadian market is going to have it rough. I wouldn't be so bold in thinking that a guy like Yzerman is going to be able to do what he did in Tampa in Toronto...let alone Detroit. He's not "magical" enough.
That's the entire point.
LOL, keep making excuses for the Leafs. They've done fine getting FAs to go there, where have you been? What has stopped them from winning is a dog shit GM.
Yzerman will be fine. The Wings are on a good track. All the Chicken Littles will realize the sky isn't falling and Yzerman is on a path to sustainable winning. He started with nothing. It takes time. He will get there, don't worry so much over nothing.
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Well you asked, that’s the answer. Yzerman is practically family to the Illitch’s.
They knew what his MO and timeline was going to be from day 1. Just like SFY said in his first press conference.
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Imo yzerman traded away top guys at this recent TDL because he knew he doesn’t have the elite talent needed to win. He’s going to continue to try and draft high until he gets those elite players that he’s missing. For him it’s about building a cup contender.
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Well he sure is striking out on some of the recent signings the last couple of years.
