Value of: Yzerplan put 18.1 million to Holl, Gostisbehere, Reimer, Compher, Sprong and Kostin

[lilidk]

Plan is to fill team with plugs for short periods, some of them will surprise with improvement, most will be gone in 2-3 years and will be replaced with guys like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson, Danielson, ASP, Cossa. Red Wings have 2 first round picks in 2024. Proper rebuild should be 10 years, Red Wings on their 7years of rebuild. Don't worry guys 2-3 more years and then we will see who is laughing

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Plan is to fill team with plugs for short periods, some of them will surprise with improvement, most will be gone in 2-3 years and will be replaced with guys like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson, Danielson, ASP, Cossa. Red Wings have 2 first round picks in 2024. Proper rebuild should be 10 years, Red Wings on their 7years of rebuild. Don't worry guys 2-3 more years and then we will see who is laughing

If you're rebuilding for 10 years, you better show something for it.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

Yzerman lacking creativity to make good trades. Instead he's resorted to the tell tale sign that a GM is worried about his job by filling roster spots with overpaid free agents.

Yzerman is not a bit worried about his job.

 

[Frobbo]

Neutral fan, how many years do you give the GM? He started with a mess that would extend any reasonable timeline by 2 years. Is he year 4 now? When should hard questions be asked? Curious...

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Yzerman is not exactly a great GM I've been saying this for awhile.

Lightning were a fluke that he couldn't get over the hump with him there...and then nothing to show so far in Detroit

Really? Chicago fans are really gonna try and criticize us?

Haha

 

[dixie]

Those free agent signings are window dressing! Quantity,not Quality!

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we weren't sure after last year, we are now.

Maybe he wants to tank for a few more years and signed tank type players to help it happen? Doesn't have to rush young players? Not sure.

I was curious to see how long it would take Yzerman to build a contender in Detroit (when he was hired). Just goes to show that you need some luck regardless of how good you are

 

[UrbanImpact]

I dont have a clue what Yzerman is doing anymore,

Invest a lot of money on all these crappy players but also didnt want to buck up for Hronek?

Yzerman is straight cashing in on his reputation but his actual body of work is not great.

Sebastian Cossa at 15thoverall should have been a fire-able action.

 

[wings95]

I dont have a clue what Yzerman is doing anymore,

Invest a lot of money on all these crappy players but also didnt want to buck up for Hronek?

Yzerman is straight cashing in on his reputation but his actual body of work is not great.

Sebastian Cossa at 15thoverall should have been a fire-able action.

Hope it’s sarcasm

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Man Detroit fans are willing to DIE for stevey in here

 

[ZDH]

Man Detroit fans are willing to DIE for stevey in here

More like Detroit fans are tired of the bs in here.

Anyone surprised that Stevie didn't turn an ahl caliber roster into a powerhouse in 4 years is high. Also, anyone who doesn't realize it's going to take at least ten years to turn an ahl team into a powerhouse is high. What did people honestly expect???

Look at the Predators for example. Came into the league in 98 right. Compare the two rosters - Nashville 98 vs Detroit's when Yzerman took over. Total dumpster fires. Wings had Larkin. That's it.

Preds took until 2017 to make the cup final. 19 years.

Think about it.

 

[rod]

Yzerman lacking creativity to make good trades. Instead he's resorted to the tell tale sign that a GM is worried about his job by filling roster spots with overpaid free agents.

This coming from a Canucks fan is absolutely hilarious!!

Plan is to fill team with plugs for short periods, some of them will surprise with improvement, most will be gone in 2-3 years and will be replaced with guys like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson, Danielson, ASP, Cossa. Red Wings have 2 first round picks in 2024. Proper rebuild should be 10 years, Red Wings on their 7years of rebuild. Don't worry guys 2-3 more years and then we will see who is laughing

Completely agree, Detroit will be a powerhouse soon.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Sebastian Cossa at 15thoverall should have been a fire-able action.

How dare you? It worked with Vasilevskiy and Yzerman is a draft genius.

 

[TommyDangles]

If you're rebuilding for 10 years, you better show something for it.

If you're still rebuilding after 10 years you did something wrong

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Yep, because those 3 will be our top 3 D.... OR Seider #1, Walman #2, Maata #3, Ghost #4, Chiarot #5 and Holl #6. And last I checked, the Wings were nowhere close to being up against the cap, not this year, not next year, and they have a total of 6 guys signed for 3 years from now with a cap hit of 31 million. However will they make it??

YOu think he paid Holl 3.4 x 3 to be 6th in icetime? I doubt it.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Why is it always Blackhawk fans making these threads about Detroit and Yzerman?...

Actually nevermind I know why.

They won two lotterys..... and now they got bail out of all bail outs after their greatest every dynasty was disgraced. Not surprised.

We blew for a decade and won 0 lotteries. Nfl has the right draft system cant have bullshit teams jumping into top 3. But boot lickers hate anything more successful leagues do for daddy gary and the code.

 

[sxvnert]

People complained when the Oilers were picking #1 for years, now people are complaining about the lottery system. The league cant win.

 

[sxvnert]

Pulling off a quick full rebuild without top three picks is extremely difficult. Wings haven't had a top three pick since Primeau back in 1990.

 

[jfhabs]

If you're still rebuilding after 10 years you did something wrong

Draft if crapshoot.
You need to be extremely lucky to turn a franchise upside down within 10 years. You need a 2 top centers, 2 top defenseman and 1 goalie at least. You aren't getting all these in 2-3 drafts. If you can accumulate that talent in 5 drafts, that's already very good, then you need to wait 5 years for them to develop properly.

Tanking in good draft years, winning the lottery and then hope the players develop as expected.

 

[Deas]

Of course it's not easy to pull off a rebuild but there are some very exaggerated timelines here.

"At least 10 years"

"5 years to gather core, then 5 years for them to develope"

"Anyone thinking it doesn't take at least 10 years is crazy..."

A long period of time is still no guarantee for success and yes it's hard, but it's still very possible to do great in a few years less than 10, and to do better than the Wings have the past two years. What looked very promising has stalled a bit.

 

[Winger98]

I don't the signings are bad. Coming into the summer the wings were a flawed, shallow team. Yzerman addressed a lot of issues with improvements while not over committing in cap or term - including Compher, who I think fits in well with his age and whose contract is unlikely to be an issue.

Were they big, flashy moves? No, but I'm not sure I've seen any rumored or suggested that seemed like an actual possibility while still improving the team in line with the assets moved to pull off said moves.

Realistically, the past season or two is where we should have likely started seeing Yzerman's GMing bearing fruit, and we did. More kids are moving into the lineup, we're getting help from unexpected pickups, etc. These moves buy the time and space for that to keep happening without putting a tire fire on the ice.

 

[AirGut]

Wings need to go big game hunting one of these years unless they end up with a top 3 pick. Use the cap-space to lock in a stud player rather than continually signing depth options even if it means overpaying to get him. I look at that roster and all I can think is how if they had just 1 Artemi Panarin in the top-6 it might catapult the whole org in the right direction. Yzerman hopefully isn't trying to build Detroit like he did Tampa, it's probably not going to work out that way.

it's very rare that players like Panarin are made free agents though but imagine if Pastrnak didn't stay with Boston and tested free agency? Wings could've dumped a truck of money for him and they'd be miles better for it even whilst "rebuilding". Maybe Matthews might be that guy to snag in a year if it goes south with the Leafs? The more years that go on while in a deep hole they might end up having to rebuild the rebuild and that's nightmare territory.

 

[TKB]

Of course it's not easy to pull off a rebuild but there are some very exaggerated timelines here.

"At least 10 years"

"5 years to gather core, then 5 years for them to develope"

"Anyone thinking it doesn't take at least 10 years is crazy..."

A long period of time is still no guarantee for success and yes it's hard, but it's still very possible to do great in a few years less than 10, and to do better than the Wings have the past two years. What looked very promising has stalled a bit.

It is certainly possible to do a rebuild in a shorter period of time. As Wings fans we are just pointing out that is not the route Yzemran is taking.

The issue with the quick rebuild, is they tend to be flame out quickly. Of course you can just start another rebuild cycle after that, and for some franchises that is a great way to go. Every team and GM needs to figure out what is best for their situation.

In Detroit the Illitch family (and Jimmy Devallano)saw how long it took for the Wings to find sustained success after they bought the team in the 80s, and they surely understand the timelines involved with what Yzerman is looking to do.

SFY can afford to play the long game, most GM's don't have that luxury.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Unless you get a generational type player, crosby, mcdavid, hedman, ovie, bedard, MacKinnon, with a 1st OA pick then it takes significantly longer.

Dallas, Boston and Vegas (weird example) are examples of good clubs w/o top 3 picks let alone multiple top 3 picks, who have managed to be successful and drafting later.

That's it... 2(3) teams

The good teams
Tampa
Toronto
Colorado
Pittsburgh
Washington
Florida
Edmonton
LA
Carolina
NYR

Have all had top 3 picks and sometimes multiple.

NJ
Buffalo

Are up and coming teams who've also benefited from multiple 1st or 2nd OAs, w/o which would stil be irrelevant.

10 years is about right when you arent gifted McDavid or Crosby or MacKinnon and even then it still takes 5 years or more

 

[BB88]

This wasn’t a good year for high end potential in the UFA market. Detroit has young high end talent. Its just gonna take a few more years to let them develop. I like how Stevie Y is doing this. The Wings have been improving while drafting a TON

They really don’t have at F.

Larkin/Raymond/Kasper is an about average F core to build around as you can get

Right now that roster is limited and will keep them away from drafting that missing franchise F player