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analyser said:
Well for one thing the Bruins cannot afford to pay out 11 mil deals when they are already in need of a 2C and a top LD. Bergeron is coming to the end of his career so you have to keep cash to try and entice some free agents that fill these openings.

We do not have the horses in the minors to step right in and be impactful. You have to look at the overall picture and budget accordingly.
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This is a poor argument as to why we cannot pay him. Imagine you worked at a company and were in line for a big raise, and your boss came in and said "unfortunately, we have too many other openings in the company and need the money from your raise to fill those voids." I'd imagine there is very few of us here who wouldn't say "well then, you just acquired one more opening." Point being, Sweeney cannot sell the teams short comings as to why McAvoy needs to take another team friendly deal.

I'm also not talking $11m. I'm saying the going rate for a top defensemen on any team as a UFA is between 10-12% of the cap i.e. ~$8.2m-9.8m. Realistically I'd go at least $0.5m over that top dollar amount to retain him. Because if you think needing money to fill a top-2 C, and Left D is rough. Wait till you add a #1 defensemen to that list.
 
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SpecialAgentUtah said:
This is a poor argument as to why we cannot pay him. Imagine you worked at a company and were in line for a big raise, and your boss came in and said "unfortunately, we have too many other openings in the company and need the money from your raise to fill those voids." I'd imagine there is very few of us here who wouldn't say "well then, you just acquired one more opening." Point being, Sweeney cannot sell the teams short comings as to why McAvoy needs to take another team friendly deal.

I'm also not talking $11m. I'm saying the going rate for a top defensemen on any team as a UFA is between 10-12% of the cap i.e. ~$8.2m-9.8m. Realistically I'd go at least $0.5m over that top dollar amount to retain him. Because if you think needing money to fill a top-2 C, and Left D is rough. Wait till you add a #1 defensemen to that list.
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Well then having a #1 D with no supporting cast is not going to solve the ongoing problems. As far as comparing this to an individual in a company for a job well done, not many people get a raise which would almost double their current salary.

McAvoy does not have to care about DS's problems, but overall the team has to turn this ship around. Bad management has got us into this situation, but bad management now will not enhance the future.
 
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Blowfish said:
Read the article I posted above...relative yes (no disagreement) however if it hurst the team, relative doesn't much matter for team success.
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I read it. It's from 2019 and a $10m player just made it to the Stanley Cup Finals in Carey Price so this article has lost some merit.

It's also pretty disingenuous. When Bergeron signed that contract, it was at the time 10.69% of the salary cap and not the 8.62% the article quotes. Again, I think people are conflating money spent in 2012-2015 as equal to money being spent in 2020-2021. They're not comparable. If Bergeron signed his current deal today for the same percent of the cap he would be making $8.7m. It also doesn't take into account, when the contracts were signed. Teams do better when they assess the talent before it explodes, and sign the player to a deal right out of their ELC. Mackinnon averaged only ~50-55pts/season when he was signed to that deal as an RFA. Then he suddenly exploded for over a point per game in years 2-5 of his current contract. I'd love to see him put his money where his mouth with his next contract. Time will tell.

And don't get me wrong, I love the premise of the article and agree that the teams that have a few steals of a contract have more opportunity to compete and for a longer window. It's been part of the Bruins success. The two sweet heart deals currently on the B's are Marchy and Pasta and the Bruins need to take advantage of that. But not at the expense of possibly losing their #1 defensmen.
 
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SpecialAgentUtah said:
This is a poor argument as to why we cannot pay him. Imagine you worked at a company and were in line for a big raise, and your boss came in and said "unfortunately, we have too many other openings in the company and need the money from your raise to fill those voids." I'd imagine there is very few of us here who wouldn't say "well then, you just acquired one more opening." Point being, Sweeney cannot sell the teams short comings as to why McAvoy needs to take another team friendly deal.

I'm also not talking $11m. I'm saying the going rate for a top defensemen on any team as a UFA is between 10-12% of the cap i.e. ~$8.2m-9.8m. Realistically I'd go at least $0.5m over that top dollar amount to retain him. Because if you think needing money to fill a top-2 C, and Left D is rough. Wait till you add a #1 defensemen to that list.
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Great post. People must think McAvoy is bringing back a stud C + stud D in a deal and we’re going to save money :laugh:
 
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analyser said:
Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.
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So McAvoy's agent says nothing less than $11 mil.

Bruins say no way.

McAvoy holds out.

Bruins start the season without McAvoy.

Team is not doing well without him.

What do Bruins do?
 
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Once you start going double digits the decision gets a little more difficult, but still I lean toward just throwing whatever it takes at him.

Under 10 and it's signed yesterday before anyone changes their minds.
 
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Gonzothe7thDman said:
What kind of bass ackwards team building is being proposed here where we get rid of the better players so we can afford to bring in worse ones?
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Seguin and Thornton come to mind. Allison may be an even better example and there was no cap then.
 
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Honestly they screw with Mac I could see him sign his qualifier two years in a row to get to UFA and flip them the bird signing somewhere else for 11 mil

he’s only just scratched the surface, you have another Pietrangelo here at bare minimum. Thing is If they ever gave him a legit #1 partner he would be in the top 3 for Norris the next 5-6 years easy.
 
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The don godfather said:
Sorry 11 million aav. Trade him. I know I'm gonna blasted but that's crippling and ridiculous.
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Disagree.

For one, Zdeno Chara's $7.5 was 12.6% of the cap in 2011 when we won the cup. Charlie at $11 under the current cap would be 13.5%, which is high but not absurd.

Two, and more importantly IMO, thinking long term, this will be a steal. Lock him up for 8 years. The cap allowance has grown 26.7% in the last 8 years, and there's no reason it won't grow and fast once fans are allowed for a full season since there's been a flat cap with Covid and the new TV deals.

In 2006 Chara made 17% of the cap, by the time the original contract ended it was down to 12%. If we have similar growth, by the end of a hypothetical 8/88 McAvoy contract, for example, he might make only 10% of the team cap hit.

He's a franchise defenseman, a perennial Norris contender, just entering his prime now. Don't nickel and dime him. That's a Harry Sinden move. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP.
 
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McGarnagle said:
Disagree.

For one, Zdeno Chara's $7.5 was 12.6% of the cap in 2011 when we won the cup. Charlie at $11 under the current cap would be 13.5%, which is high but not absurd.

Two, and more importantly IMO, thinking long term, this will be a steal. Lock him up for 8 years. The cap allowance has grown 26.7% in the last 8 years, and there's no reason it won't grow and fast once fans are allowed for a full season since there's been a flat cap with Covid and the new TV deals.

In 2006 Chara made 17% of the cap, by the time the original contract ended it was down to 12%. If we have similar growth, by the end of a hypothetical 8/88 McAvoy contract, for example, he might make only 10% of the team cap hit.

He's a franchise defenseman, a perennial Norris contender, just entering his prime now. Don't nickel and dime him. That's a Harry Sinden move. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP. LOCK HIM UP.
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Not at 11 aav he ain't no raymond bourque. Hes more in the line of ryan mcdonagh I feel.
 
The don godfather said:
Not at 11 aav he ain't no raymond bourque. Hes more in the line of ryan mcdonagh I feel.
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You’re completely missing the point to freak out and mention a superstar Bruins defenseman and honestly one of the GOAT defenseman. No one here is saying McAvoy is a Bourque/Chara/Orr. Do I think he will go down as a Bruins great defenseman? 110%.

However, the one thing these defenseman had in common were that they were the Top Dog for their defense core. Do you see that guy coming anytime soon? He has to be better than McAvoy which would give Boston TWO #1 quality defenseman. Unrealistic right now.

McAvoy is THE TOP DOG and a f***ing good one at that. He’s just scratching the surface as @LouJersey just said. Lock him up, blank check, whatever.

OVERPAY YOUR STARS
 
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Donny will have to do some slick negotiating and get him signed for 8.5 to 9 per. You cannot let McAvoy dictate the future of the team regardless of how high some people place him on a pedestal.

Charlie Coyle, Jake Debrusk, Moore and Gryz contracts are reasons why we have so many issues. DS has to try and reconstruct the team so we have a little more cap to work with. Problem is no one will give up much in trades for these players, not even decent draft picks which the team needs.

Hopefully we get Charlie McAvoy signed but you always have to keep your options open.
 
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analyser said:
Donny will have to do some slick negotiating and get him signed for 8.5 to 9 per. You cannot let McAvoy dictate the future of the team regardless of how high some people place him on a pedestal.

Charlie Coyle, Jake Debrusk, Moore and Gryz contracts are reasons why we have so many issues. DS has to try and reconstruct the team so we have a little more cap to work with. Problem is no one will give up much in trades for these players.

Hopefully we get Charlie McAvoy signed but you always have to keep your options open.
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So essentially…. You can’t let superstars like McAvoy dictate your cap and should trade if needed to have a good cap number but you don’t sign them because worse/overpaid players are dictating your cap?

How does this make sense to you? If you’re going to overpay anyone, why wouldn’t you overpay the game changing players?

And on top of it, you’re trading your good players over your average/mediocre ones because?
 
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