Boston Bruins Your roster changes / proposals XI

[BruinsFanSince94]

I doubt it he is not the second coming of Mr Orr, Paul Coffey or Nick Lidstrom.

8 or 8.5 is an appropriate number for him, otherwise do what has to be done.

Yup. Sign him to, I guess, what some here think is an overpay at 9-11M and move on.

 

[HustleB]

Yup. Sign him to, I guess, what some here think is an overpay at 9-11M and move on.

I’m comfortable with 9-11 as a realistic range though if he signed today at 11 per I’d be disappointed. 11 assumes he makes it to FA where I might stretch further in a year if he improves even slightly on; his best numbers, overall play and total TOI.

I only put the long term value of Hedman, Makar, and Fox higher on Defense though I might be missing 1 or 2 like Heiskanen according to some.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I doubt it he is not the second coming of Mr Orr, Paul Coffey or Nick Lidstrom.

8 or 8.5 is an appropriate number for him, otherwise do what has to be done.

Sounds like you are out of touch when it comes to market value

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Sounds like you are out of touch when it comes to market value

If Boston gets McAvoy long term for 8-8.5M, after some of the contracts being handed out to similar young defenseman, I will throw a party because that is a steal.

 

[analyser]

Sounds like you are out of touch when it comes to market value

Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I

Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.

would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.

Luckily you’re just a fan with no say.

 

[analyser]

Luckily you’re just a fan with no say.

You likewise.

 

[Blowfish]

Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.

I'm with you on this analyser....

The league has learned from the Toronto and Edmontons...Not going to happen in Boston.

I don't see Charlie wanting over 9 but anything over 10 is a trade consideration thing for this GM.

Big Conracts, Big Problems: A Deep Dive Into the Largest NHL Contracts

Earning a contract that pays at least $10 million annually is rarefied air in the NHL. Only 15 players in history have signed such NHL contracts. Deals that big allow teams to sign the best players to long-term contracts in hopes of team success. History shows that such deals have actually hurt the team more than help.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Sounds like you are in a fantasy world where reality has not set in. Charlie is not a 11 mil per player and should not be paid as such. Guys like Hedman, Weber, Ekblad make less than 8 mil per so why does Charlie warrant over 3 mil more per year.

Cap is only going up 1 mil per for the next 4 years so why pay him as the next messiah. McDavid is the only player I see in this range and Draisaitl is at 8.5 mil and a huge impact player. Charlie will not carry the team like these two can so why pay him as such.

You can pay him whatever you want but I would not even consider 10-11 mil per.

Look at the Leafs they have 3 guys signed for 10.9 to 11.6 mil per and what have they accomplished.

You can’t just look at contracts signed 5+ years ago and say that they’re apples to apples comparisons. The salary cap has changed since those contracts were signed. Those players have changed for better or worse since those contracts were signed. If those three re-signed today for the percentage of cap they signed for then, their numbers would be:

• Hedman - signed in 2016 for 10.79% of cap. Would be worth ~$8.8m today.
• Weber - signed in 2012 for 13.10% of cap. Would be worth ~$10.7m today.
• Ekblad - signed in 2016 for 10.27% of the cap. Would be worth ~ $8.4m today.

I think it’s safe to say Charlie McAvoy will likely command anywhere from $8.5-9.5m. Anything less I’d consider a great signing by Sweeney. Anything more and I think we had to overpay to retain talent and I’d still likely be fine with it as long as we’re not looking beyond $11m.

I’d argue McAvoy is a top-10 defender in the league today. He will likely be paid accordingly.

 

[Blowfish]

You can’t just look at contracts signed 5+ years ago and say that they’re apples to apples comparisons. The salary cap has changed since those contracts were signed. Those players have changed for better or worse since those contracts were signed. If those three re-signed today for the percentage of cap they signed for then, their numbers would be:

• Hedman - signed in 2016 for 10.79% of cap. Would be worth ~$8.8m today.
• Weber - signed in 2012 for 13.10% of cap. Would be worth ~$10.7m today.
• Ekblad - signed in 2016 for 10.27% of the cap. Would be worth ~ $8.4m today.

I think it’s safe to say Charlie McAvoy will likely command anywhere from $8.5-9.5m. Anything less I’d consider a great signing by Sweeney. Anything more and I think we had to overpay to retain talent and I’d still likely be fine with it as long as we’re not looking beyond $11m.

I’d argue McAvoy is a top-10 defender in the league today. He will likely be paid accordingly.

How have the teams succeeded with Weber and Ekblad?

Hedman is elite #1 Dman in the league, on an elite team, tax savings, with players taking team friendly contracts.

 

[Fenian24]

Top ten cap hits for defensemen this year, where does McAvoy fit with this group especially considering how bad the rest of the Bruins defense is. Would seem to me 8.5-10m would be expected.

Erik Karlsson	$11,500,000
SJS
Drew Doughty	$11,000,000
LAK
Roman Josi	$9,059,000
NSH
P.K. Subban	$9,000,000
NJD
Dougie Hamilton	$9,000,000
NJD
Cale Makar	$9,000,000
COL
Alex Pietrangelo	$8,800,000
VGK
Miro Heiskanen	$8,450,000
DAL
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	$8,250,000
VAN
Thomas Chabot	$8,000,000
OTT

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Fenian24]

I think 8 years at 9.5 would be a reasonable deal with the Covid cap

 

[Blowfish]

I think 8 years at 9.5 would be a reasonable deal with the Covid cap

Fen, would you go over 10?

 

[kjpm]

You can’t just look at contracts signed 5+ years ago and say that they’re apples to apples comparisons. The salary cap has changed since those contracts were signed. Those players have changed for better or worse since those contracts were signed. If those three re-signed today for the percentage of cap they signed for then, their numbers would be:

• Hedman - signed in 2016 for 10.79% of cap. Would be worth ~$8.8m today.
• Weber - signed in 2012 for 13.10% of cap. Would be worth ~$10.7m today.
• Ekblad - signed in 2016 for 10.27% of the cap. Would be worth ~ $8.4m today.

I think it’s safe to say Charlie McAvoy will likely command anywhere from $8.5-9.5m. Anything less I’d consider a great signing by Sweeney. Anything more and I think we had to overpay to retain talent and I’d still likely be fine with it as long as we’re not looking beyond $11m.

I’d argue McAvoy is a top-10 defender in the league today. He will likely be paid accordingly.

Great post. These guys are not direct comparables to McAvoy in today's market and it's silly to use them as such. We should be looking at Heiskanen ($8.5M), Makar ($9M) and Werenski ($9.5M) all RFAs of similar age to McAvoy who signed this offseason. Shea Weber signing a 14 year deal 9 years ago when he was 27 has no bearing on anything.

 

[Eddie Munson]

How have the teams succeeded with Weber and Ekblad?

Hedman is elite #1 Dman in the league, on an elite team, tax savings, with players taking team friendly contracts.

Again it’s all relative to what the player did going into those contracts. Weber was averaging roughly 16 goals per season and was a three time all-star when the deal was signed. Ekblad was a Calder winner and a two time all-star.

Hedman was good but his breakout 70pts season, first all-star appearance, AND Norris came after that signing.

Signing any young player based on promise shown is a roll of the dice. Sometimes you get a Hedman, sometimes an Ekblad. But to think a young guy signing as a UFA after taking a 3 year deal at only 6.01% of the cap is going to not command $8.5m-9.5m simply because someone in 2016 signed for $7.5m is a pipe dream.

 

[Greek_physique]

In today's NHL, kids are being paid a shit load...especially after their ELC expires. I get this is McAvoy's 3rd contract agreement, but he'll easily get over $8mill a year.

I think he will help the team, so I'm putting my money on 8.8 or something.

He proved he was more then capable of carrying our team without Chara...heck, he was even better without him.

Don't upset him ...keep him here long term!

 

[analyser]

Again it’s all relative to what the player did going into those contracts. Weber was averaging roughly 16 goals per season and was a three time all-star when the deal was signed. Ekblad was a Calder winner and a two time all-star.

Hedman was good but his breakout 70pts season, first all-star appearance, AND Norris came after that signing.

Signing any young player based on promise shown is a roll of the dice. Sometimes you get a Hedman, sometimes an Ekblad. But to think a young guy signing as a UFA after taking a 3 year deal at only 6.01% of the cap is going to not command $8.5m-9.5m simply because someone in 2016 signed for $7.5m is a pipe dream.

Well for one thing the Bruins cannot afford to pay out 11 mil deals when they are already in need of a 2C and a top LD. Bergeron is coming to the end of his career so you have to keep cash to try and entice some free agents that fill these openings.

We do not have the horses in the minors to step right in and be impactful. You have to look at the overall picture and budget accordingly.

 

[Blowfish]

Again it’s all relative to what the player did going into those contracts. Weber was averaging roughly 16 goals per season and was a three time all-star when the deal was signed. Ekblad was a Calder winner and a two time all-star.

Hedman was good but his breakout 70pts season, first all-star appearance, AND Norris came after that signing.

Signing any young player based on promise shown is a roll of the dice. Sometimes you get a Hedman, sometimes an Ekblad. But to think a young guy signing as a UFA after taking a 3 year deal at only 6.01% of the cap is going to not command $8.5m-9.5m simply because someone in 2016 signed for $7.5m is a pipe dream.

Read the article I posted above...relative yes (no disagreement) however if it hurts the team, relative doesn't much matter for team success.

 

[ODAAT]

If Boston gets McAvoy long term for 8-8.5M, after some of the contracts being handed out to similar young defenseman, I will throw a party because that is a steal.

send ya my details for invitation cuz Donny ALWAYS gets his own to sign fair deals

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

If Boston gets McAvoy long term for 8-8.5M, after some of the contracts being handed out to similar young defenseman, I will throw a party because that is a steal.

He's a better Dman than Heiskanen outside of that stretch when Dallas went the SCF.

I think McAvoy could ask and actually deserve to be paid more than him.

I don't get where these other posters want to spend this cap on if not on a #1 Dman.

If McAvoy is traded for a similar caliber player then that player eventually will want to get paid.

 

[kdog82]

Hold on. Are some people suggesting trading McAvoy?? He will play at a Norris caliber level for the next decade. Sign him 8x8.75 or 6x7.5

 

[Fenian24]

Fen, would you go over 10?

If the options were trading or losing him as a UFA shortly after then yes.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

He's a better Dman than Heiskanen outside of that stretch when Dallas went the SCF.

I think McAvoy could ask and actually deserve to be paid more than him.

I don't get where these other posters want to spend this cap on if not on a #1 Dman.

If McAvoy is traded for a similar caliber player then that player eventually will want to get paid.

Bottom roster talent that equals 10M so they can complain about multiple players instead of one?

 

[Greek_physique]

Top ten cap hits for defensemen this year, where does McAvoy fit with this group especially considering how bad the rest of the Bruins defense is. Would seem to me 8.5-10m would be expected.

Erik Karlsson	$11,500,000
SJS
Drew Doughty	$11,000,000
LAK
Roman Josi	$9,059,000
NSH
P.K. Subban	$9,000,000
NJD
Dougie Hamilton	$9,000,000
NJD
Cale Makar	$9,000,000
COL
Alex Pietrangelo	$8,800,000
VGK
Miro Heiskanen	$8,450,000
DAL
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	$8,250,000
VAN
Thomas Chabot	$8,000,000
OTT

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Still in shock that Dougie Hamilton and Chabot are on this list...

 

[analyser]

Still in shock that Dougie Hamilton and Chabot are on this list...

Dougie Hamilton has had a pretty good career so far and give credit even if he did not adjust to the Bruins system.

He currently makes 9 mil per, so tell me why is Charlie worth more as both players stats are comparable. Both can contribute and play defense.

I for one wish that Hamilton was still a Bruin even though many may not agree.