Confirmed Signing with Link: [WSH] F Alex Ovechkin re-signs with the Capitals (5 years, $9.5M AAV)

[JustAnotherHockeyFan]

Given the entire history of hockey and professional sports the most reasonable assumption is that there will be a noticeable drop-off in years 3-5.

I understand being hopeful. Folks are being delusional

He said, replying to a post on how Ovechkin has defied the entire history of sports

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

He said, replying to a post on how Ovechkin has defied the entire history of sports

Defied the history of sport? Well that's just incorrect if you're referring to elite production in someone's mid 30s.

Aw you don't know Wayne gretzky, Joe Thornton, nick lidstrom and jaromir jagr and what happened from 37-41 (hint. Stats dipped. A dip will LIKELY happen to ovie.)

Again some of you are deluding yourselves. Like it hurts you to acknowledge he's probably going to have even a slight decline even though anyone who's seen ovie at his best would tell you he already has declined in several ways. But that's HF, only stat watchers and people who rewrite reality rather than admit they're wrong

What would be unique is continuing to perform at the level he's being paid until he's 41. If he does, great. Is it likely? No. Would it defy the history of sports if he does? Yes. Has he done it? No. Is it impossible? No.

Nice try though.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

This gets more and more confusing.

Are you saying Clarkson was 37-41 years of age during the duration of his contract? .

It's only confusing if you cant read. I can't help you with that one.

Clarkson had a dip in performance.

Ovie has already seen a dip and that is likely to continue and affect his scoring more.

That's the similarity. Performance may dip for many age related reasons once a player gets past 28. It happens later for some.

 

[YippieKaey]

Ovi is an elite goalscorer with spectacular physicality, charisma up the ass and he´s the captain of a successful team. He brought that team their first Stanley Cup ever. He´s done more for the status of the Capitals than anyone ever.

Every team would pay such a guy this money on this term if that guy was still producing at the level Ovi is.

This really isn´t hard.

 

[The CyNick]

It's only confusing if you cant read. I can't help you with that one.

Clarkson had a dip in performance.

Ovie has already seen a dip and that is likely to continue and affect his scoring more.

That's the similarity. Performance may dip for many age related reasons once a player gets past 28. It happens later for some.

So when trying to make a point about age vs performance you choose to compare to a player who had a crash in performance because of a series of injuries. You accuse me of not reading, but I think the issue is I read too well and you can't take someone poking holes in this awful take.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So when trying to make a point about age vs performance you choose to compare to a player who had a crash in performance because of a series of injuries. You accuse me of not reading, but I think the issue is I read too well and you can't take someone poking holes in this awful take.

Good thing I said there were many reasons why age leads into a decline. Guess you weren't able to figure out that injury is just one of those reasons? Or you didn't read that part or couldn't understand it. This is incredibly basic stuff about human anatomy that I think you know though. I think you're pretending not to understand to waste time and try to save face

You were wrong, it happens. You made this a big deal for no reason lol

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Ovi is an elite goalscorer with spectacular physicality, charisma up the ass and he´s the captain of a successful team. He brought that team their first Stanley Cup ever. He´s done more for the status of the Capitals than anyone ever.

Every team would pay such a guy this money on this term if that guy was still producing at the level Ovi is.

this really isn't hard.

That's nice but not what we're talking about.

We're talking about how its likely he'll have a dip in production and ability.

We're also in agreement there were good off ice reasons why they chose to overpay relative to his likely production.

Doesn't change how likely he is to decline

 

[The CyNick]

Good thing I said there were many reasons why age leads into a decline. Guess you weren't able to figure out that injury is just one of those reasons? Or you didn't read that part or couldn't understand it. This is incredibly basic stuff about human anatomy that I think you know though. I think you're pretending not to understand to waste time and try to save face

You were wrong, it happens. You made this a big deal for no reason lol

In the case of Clarkson injury was the sole reason for decline. You are unsuccessfully trying to equate Ovechkin getting older to Clarkson having unexpected career altering injuries. It's tough hitting a big league fastball. But keep swinging.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It's tough hitting a big league fastball. But keep swinging.

Wait...DId you just equate getting you to read and understand simple english to hitting a big league fastball despite one being a physical skill and the other being mental? SO you DO understand simple analogies!

Well, you're right about one thing, finally. As someone who has hit an 80+ mph curveball and a 90 mph fastball, getting you to read simple english does seem to be harder.

I'll just requote since you're having so much trouble.

Good thing I said there were many reasons why age leads into a decline. Guess you weren't able to figure out that injury is just one of those reasons?

And before that

Clarkson had a dip in performance.

Ovie has already seen a dip and that is likely to continue and affect his scoring more.

That's the similarity. Performance may dip for many age related reasons once a player gets past 28. It happens later for some.

I mean, there's literally no reason for you to keep mindlessely yammering on about injuries. I covered that in these posts. It's ok. You screwed up. it happens

 

[mrv52]

this thread is dripping with sanctimony......even where posters are making good points.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

this thread is dripping with sanctimony......even where posters are making good points.

I fully dove headfirst into snark when I realized how disingenuous certainnposters were. Every fanbase has its own thing and I think this is just the way the wsh posters are..

Halfway through I was like "man I am being insufferable". Then I'd get another reply from someone being dishonest as hell and I couldn't help it. Sry everyone else who comes in to read. Shit got derailed for a page or two...sort of. It was all still on the topic of ovie

 

[txpd]

That's nice but not what we're talking about.

We're talking about how its likely he'll have a dip in production and ability.

We're also in agreement there were good off ice reasons why they chose to overpay relative to his likely production.

Doesn't change how likely he is to decline

Your problem is the use of the word likely. Much of his career flies in the face of likely

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Your problem is the use of the word likely. Much of his career flies in the face of likely

There's np at all. Literally none of his career has anything to do with being in his late 30s. He's one of the best of all time. He's done insane things as have all of the other best of all times players. What those GOAT's did before their late 30s had no bearing on what they did in their late 30s and early 40s

So likely is the perfect word to use. You can make a likely prediction based on 99.99999999999999% of all players ever including all the GOATs

 

[The CyNick]

Good thing I said there were many reasons why age leads into a decline. Guess you weren't able to figure out that injury is just one of those reasons? Or you didn't read that part or couldn't understand it. This is incredibly basic stuff about human anatomy that I think you know though. I think you're pretending not to understand to waste time and try to save face

You were wrong, it happens. You made this a big deal for no reason lol

I like the idea of repeating something false into existence. Perfect strategy for someone who doesn't have facts on their side.

 

[mrv52]

this is just the way the wsh posters are..

Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

Caps are happy with the contract. I’m confused what the argument is here.

 

[Foppberg]

Caps are happy with the contract. I’m confused what the argument is here.

Welcome to the internet,

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

Welcome to the internet,

Facts. I feel like I’m always confused on these boards.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Defied the history of sport? Well that's just incorrect if you're referring to elite production in someone's mid 30s.

Aw you don't know Wayne gretzky, Joe Thornton, nick lidstrom and jaromir jagr and what happened from 37-41 (hint. Stats dipped. A dip will LIKELY happen to ovie.)

Again some of you are deluding yourselves. Like it hurts you to acknowledge he's probably going to have even a slight decline even though anyone who's seen ovie at his best would tell you he already has declined in several ways. But that's HF, only stat watchers and people who rewrite reality rather than admit they're wrong

What would be unique is continuing to perform at the level he's being paid until he's 41. If he does, great. Is it likely? No. Would it defy the history of sports if he does? Yes. Has he done it? No. Is it impossible? No.

Nice try though.

My man you're speaking facts. Such things are prohibited on this website.

 

[wetcoast]

Ovechkin was on a 44 goal pace last season and is the active goals leader in the league. Yes, players decline over time. But seems like an odd player to compare a legit GOAT contender to, when that player is still performing at a very high level.

For a recap, Clarkson ended up struggling with a series of injuries that prevented him from getting to the peaks he reached in the couple years prior to his big contract. He wound up never fully recovering from those injuries and couldn't get back into NHL lineups consistently. Ovi on the other hand has been healthy most of his career, and doesn't play a style that would be likely result in career ending injuries. So again, I just don't see the Clarkson-Ovechkin parallels.

It's a crappy comp to be sure but Ovi is turning 36 and even if he scores 44 goals again in an NHL season, which I doubt, he is doing so little else that he would be hurting the Capitals big-time.

 

[The CyNick]

It's a crappy comp to be sure but Ovi is turning 36 and even if he scores 44 goals again in an NHL season, which I doubt, he is doing so little else that he would be hurting the Capitals big-time.

I'm not debating that he'll likely drop in production. But what else are the Caps going to do? Let Ovi walk? Rebuild? He's earned every dollar he's getting. Even if the Caps never win again, they get the chase to the goal record. I'm sure Ovi jerseys sell better than cap space jerseys will. So Caps will be okay with the deal until he's ready to retire as the GOAT in franchise history and one of the GOATs of all time. There's value in that.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Are you saying Clarkson was 37-41 .

It's okay but no, you don't understand. That's a lot of irrelevant words you wrote just to miss the point again so the most important words are the ones I quoted.

I think you're close though so by all means reread everything and try again lol

I'm not debating that he'll likely drop in production.

We determined that is a lie

I like the idea of repeating something false into existence.

At least you're finally being honest

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It's a crappy comp to be sure but Ovi is turning 36 and even if he scores 44 goals again in an NHL season, which I doubt, he is doing so little else that he would be hurting the Capitals big-time.

Don't bother, it was explained to him that the comp was shallow but he keeps ignoring the point most likely to troll

Caps are happy with the contract. I’m confused what the argument is here.

He's likely to dip in production and cap fans got bothered

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.

I didn't say anything about myself in what you quoted lol

 

[wetcoast]

I'm not debating that he'll likely drop in production. But what else are the Caps going to do? Let Ovi walk? Rebuild? He's earned every dollar he's getting. Even if the Caps never win again, they get the chase to the goal record. I'm sure Ovi jerseys sell better than cap space jerseys will. So Caps will be okay with the deal until he's ready to retire as the GOAT in franchise history and one of the GOATs of all time. There's value in that.

I agree that the caps really didn't have a choice in the matter but they could have at least said maybe let's do 3 years and see.

But like I said when you win a SC guys like Ovi get paid, see Black Hawks.