Confirmed Signing with Link: [WSH] F Alex Ovechkin re-signs with the Capitals (5 years, $9.5M AAV)

[wetcoast]

With a flat cap probably the next two years Caps are in cap hell and will find winning in the playoffs hard to do. But Caps have to sell tickets and he drives the franchise ala Crosby.

Also they are an old team that has lost 4-1 in the first round the last 2 years.

Team simply isn't built anymore to win in the playoffs and the rate and term of this contract is going to cripple the Capitals pretty simple.

 

[Roshi]

Also they are an old team that has lost 4-1 in the first round the last 2 years.

Team simply isn't built anymore to win in the playoffs and the rate and term of this contract is going to cripple the Capitals pretty simple.

Ovie has been great on the playoffs. All around, not just offensively.

So even if you think Caps is done, its not Ovies contract that cripples them. Its the other guys who fail to show up.

If you are talking about the 2 last years of the deal and expecting Ovie to decline, that doesnt matter anyways. Whole Caps core is aging so if they decline into a non-playoff team, they need to rebuild from the scratch anyways. Cant see how Ovies record chase cripples the rebuild, as opposite it atleast keeps fans coming to see the games.

 

[wetcoast]

Ovie has been great on the playoffs. All around, not just offensively.

So even if you think Caps is done, its not Ovies contract that cripples them. Its the other guys who fail to show up.

If you are talking about the 2 last years of the deal and expecting Ovie to decline, that doesnt matter anyways. Whole Caps core is aging so if they decline into a non-playoff team, they need to rebuild from the scratch anyways. Cant see how Ovies record chase cripples the rebuild, as opposite it atleast keeps fans coming to see the games.

Last 2 years Ovi has a line of 13-6-3-9 in the playoffs along with 59 hits, 9 blocks, 5 TA and 9 GA with 50 SOG.

Sure his team mates haven't been great but he is the focal point on offense and especially on the PP so he has to bare some of the responsibility of his performance or lack of it right?

The reality is that the track record for 36 year old forwards isn't great and Ovi is already trending downwards.

 

[Roshi]

Last 2 years Ovi has a line of 13-6-3-9 in the playoffs along with 59 hits, 9 blocks, 5 TA and 9 GA with 50 SOG.

Sure his team mates haven't been great but he is the focal point on offense and especially on the PP so he has to bare some of the responsibility of his performance or lack of it right?

The reality is that the track record for 36 year old forwards isn't great and Ovi is already trending downwards.

The lack of performance from some of his team mates generate to the lack of offensive production. Its hard to score goals if you dont get the set ups.

Focal point of PP isnt just Ovechkin. He cant pass the puck to himself.

Ill give you that this Boston series wasnt his best performance. He missed 10 games from the end of RS, so id give it a pass though. He was injured. And id still say he played pretty good all in all.

But the Canes series they lost Ovie was a total beast. Cant put any of that loss on him. Really.

Surely he will take a hit at some point and score less. Maybe even next year. The contract still isnt crippling. As long as you get and find good value elsewhere. And as long as he is scoring those 35-50 goals, its decent value on-ice anyways. Off-ice value obviously sets the balance for any ”one million overpayment” if he takes a small decline.

 

[wetcoast]

The lack of performance from some of his team mates generate to the lack of offensive production. Its hard to score goals if you dont get the set ups.

Focal point of PP isnt just Ovechkin. He cant pass the puck to himself.

The thing is that he can't pass the puck to other players either, he has 22 ESA in his last 113 games and a mere 13 in those games on the PP where he plays an extraordinary amount of time.

He has becomes one dimensional offensively.

Surely he will take a hit at some point and score less. Maybe even next year. The contract still isnt crippling. As long as you get and find good value elsewhere. And as long as he is scoring those 35-50 goals, its decent value on-ice anyways. Off-ice value obviously sets the balance for any ”one million overpayment” if he takes a small decline.

Backstrom, Kuz. Oshie is 35 next year and Mantha looks great for stretches then disappears.

I think time will show that the rate and term 5X9.5 million cripples the franchise.

And that's not even bold Ovi turns 36 going into next season.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I’m curious to see how the HF GMs would rather spend the $9.5M instead of using it to sign Ovechkin if they were Washington.

Would they rather give it to an overrated defenseman like Seth Jones?

 

[Kristopher Letang]

Reading this thread only confirms that this board likes to comment and give their opinions on players they don’t watch for more than 20 minutes per season.

 

[txpd]

The thing is that he can't pass the puck to other players either, he has 22 ESA in his last 113 games and a mere 13 in those games on the PP where he plays an extraordinary amount of time.

He has becomes one dimensional offensively.



Backstrom, Kuz. Oshie is 35 next year and Mantha looks great for stretches then disappears.

I think time will show that the rate and term 5X9.5 million cripples the franchise.

And that's not even bold Ovi turns 36 going into next season.

These older players that you keep pointing to are not regressing. The NHLPA survey had Ov with the best shot and Backstrom as the best passer. Backstrom has his best season out of the last 4 and given full 82 game schedules he would be on a 9 season streak of at least 50 assists. Oshie had his best season last 4 and lead the team in power play goals.

As for Ovechkin being one dimension. That's just a crock. He is outstanding passer. His job is to score goals. The offense is set up for him to score goals. Look at the power play. There is not one player that can shoot off his pass. Not one player in a position to deflect his shot or score his rebounds.

This is not a one off.

 

[Deen]

Let's be honest. Kind of selfish by Ovechkin here. Sure he deserves it, but he should have taken a cut to incubate the team.

 

[txpd]

Let's be honest. Kind of selfish by Ovechkin here. Sure he deserves it, but he should have taken a cut to incubate the team.

Selfish? Arguably the best scorer in the league. The best shot in the league. Possibly the best revenue stream in the league and his is making Mark Stone money. Thats selfish?

 

[Deen]

Selfish? Arguably the best scorer in the league. The best shot in the league. Possibly the best revenue stream in the league and his is making Mark Stone money. Thats selfish?

I mean he deserves $15 million a year based on that. He could have given them a bargain though to surround him with good players at this point. I know Iginla would.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Good for him. He is tough, big and manages very well his energy! No back check, rarely possess the puck and therefore rarely gets hit and will continue to shoot the puck and have good O positioning with no defensive awareness and energy spent. So I think yes, he will do what he has been doing for 5 more years... score goals and be the best at that!

 

[Anahome]

I mean he deserves $15 million a year based on that. He could have given them a bargain though to surround him with good players at this point. I know Iginla would.

He had given a bargain. It's Jones, Hamilton, Werensky money. He is surrounded by good players, this core won a cup.

 

[txpd]

I mean he deserves $15 million a year based on that. He could have given them a bargain though to surround him with good players at this point. I know Iginla would.

He could have played for league minimum. You are suggesting that? Be real. At $9.5m he is paying the Capitals to play hockey. He signed for $9.5m per 13 years ago. He is taking the same now. Thats a freaking steal.

Isn't Backstrom good. Arent Oshie and Wilson and Mantha good? How about Carlson?

 

[Dr Good Vibes]

I think this is a really smart signing from the perspective of the caps organization.

Think about how much value the organization gains if Ovie actually breaks the record. The caps then become home of the greatest goal scorer in NHL history.

It all depends on how he performs. I'm rooting for it to happen.

 

[Deen]

He could have played for league minimum. You are suggesting that? Be real. At $9.5m he is paying the Capitals to play hockey. He signed for $9.5m per 13 years ago. He is taking the same now. Thats a freaking steal.

Isn't Backstrom good. Arent Oshie and Wilson and Mantha good? How about Carlson?

I'm just thinking business wise is all. He could have took around $5-6 and they could hunt another talent to surround him. I am not arguing that he isn't worth it. Ovechkin is set in every sense of the word... absolute legend. Not like his money is going to dry up.

 

[Anahome]

I'm just thinking business wise is all. He could have took around $5-6 and they could hunt another talent to surround him. I am not arguing that he isn't worth it. Ovechkin is set in every sense of the word... absolute legend. Not like his money is going to dry up.

Talents are not available. Eichel is injured. Tarasenko is not sure thing.

 

[txpd]

I'm just thinking business wise is all. He could have took around $5-6 and they could hunt another talent to surround him. I am not arguing that he isn't worth it. Ovechkin is set in every sense of the word... absolute legend. Not like his money is going to dry up.

I think there is a point where you cant go any further. He makes the team more money in just merch sales than $5m. Again you are basically asking him to pay the team

 

[JustAnotherHockeyFan]

I'm just thinking business wise is all. He could have took around $5-6 and they could hunt another talent to surround him. I am not arguing that he isn't worth it. Ovechkin is set in every sense of the word... absolute legend. Not like his money is going to dry up.

MacKinnon is making half of what he brings to Colorado and they can't get out of the second round. Meanwhile Tampa just won back to back cups with Stamkos making 8.5 million playing like a 40 year old Ovechkin. Chicago after their first cup had to pay everyone fairly other than the Keith and Hossa backdiving contracts (which still don't have them leaving money on the table) and won 2 cups after nonetheless. All the money Crosby and Malkin left on the table has been going to the likes of Jack Johnson, Marcus Pettersson, Jason Zucker, Brandon Tanev until this offseason. Discounts -> cups does not correlate even remotely enough to be worth it. The difference between what Ovechkin is worth and him making less than he makes the team is enough to buy a Brenden Dillon, which is very unlikely to be a difference between a cup or not

 

[wetcoast]

Selfish? Arguably the best scorer in the league. The best shot in the league. Possibly the best revenue stream in the league and his is making Mark Stone money. Thats selfish?

the contract is for the next 5 years and what do people exactly mean by best shot in the league?

I mean it's not like his shooting % is way higher than other top goal scorers right?


His last richard win, as it would be unfair to count last year, he was 10th in shooting % among the top 10 goal socrers and tied for the rocket with Pasta.

2019-20 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

The season before he was 7th in shooting % among the top 10 goal scorers.

2018-19 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

So "best shot" must mean something else...what that is I have no idea.

 

[bonzaibondra12]

Let's be honest. Kind of selfish by Ovechkin here. Sure he deserves it, but he should have taken a cut to incubate the team.

It’s a career not a charity. Easy for someone to give up someone else’s money for them.

 

[Deen]

It’s a career not a charity. Easy for someone to give up someone else’s money for them.

Probably makes more from endorsements. Isn't he part of Coca-Cola and Nike? Him having better players around him is to his benefit if he wants to chase Wayne anyways. The lead up will make him millions more than if he has to play with scrubs.

 

[alphabetical]

If this thread is any indication, a lot of people are going to be extremely pissy if Ovechkin breaks the goal scoring record.

 

[txpd]

the contract is for the next 5 years and what do people exactly mean by best shot in the league?

I mean it's not like his shooting % is way higher than other top goal scorers right?


His last richard win, as it would be unfair to count last year, he was 10th in shooting % among the top 10 goal socrers and tied for the rocket with Pasta.

2019-20 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

The season before he was 7th in shooting % among the top 10 goal scorers.

2018-19 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

So "best shot" must mean something else...what that is I have no idea.

Are you serious? I can't believe this needs to be explained to you. TJ Oshie's shooting % was 20.8 last season. Since 2015/16 since joining the Caps Oshie has 150 goals and a S% of 17.9. He shoots from close. See the video. Ovechkin has 255 goals in that time and a S% of 13.4%. He shoots largely from far. He beats squared up and ready goalies from 30+ feet. This is significantly harder than shooting from close. See the second video. You honestly think Oshie has a better shot?

 

[wetcoast]

Are you serious? I can't believe this needs to be explained to you. TJ Oshie's shooting % was 20.8 last season. Since 2015/16 since joining the Caps Oshie has 150 goals and a S% of 17.9. He shoots from close. See the video. Ovechkin has 255 goals in that time and a S% of 13.4%. He shoots largely from far. He beats squared up and ready goalies from 30+ feet. This is significantly harder than shooting from close. See the second video. You honestly think Oshie has a better shot?

Why all the talk about Oshie here, his shooting % probably went up for a number of reasons when he joined the Capitals, you made the claim that Ovi had the best shot in the league and I still have no idea on what you mean by that?

Lots of players have really good releases, Ovi sure does but your comment had little context.