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Osprey said:
If that $280M were distributed evenly to the 160,000 SAG-AFTRA members, they'd each get only $1,750 more and the vast majority of them would still be making under $25,000. If the $11B in profits after the stock buybacks were distributed to them, they'd each get a nice check for $68,750, but then they'd be out of jobs because that money wasn't re-invested into new projects for them to work on.
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People focus on CEO pay so much and it's one of the surest signs that the person does not see the big picture as it's almost always a drop in the bucket. Streaming is their actual battle.
 
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Jumptheshark said:
I was surpried that Nanny was put in charge. She is one of many actors who run production companies who are part of the group negotiating with the actors---so she is sort of both sides of the table
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Mario_is_BACK!! said:
Good full write up on the issues at hand. Very hard to consider anyone striking selfish given what’s at stake.

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The two sides also remain far apart on basic increases in minimum rates, with the studios offering 5%, 4% and 3.5% across the three years of the contract, while the union is demanding 11%, 4% and 4%.
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Yup , extremely selfish. Most jobs people would jumping for joy at a 5, 4, 3.5% raises over 3 years and they want a 11% to start? AND 2% on revenue on streaming? Yup, definition of selfishness to highjack the tv/movie industry on their unrealistic demands.
 
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What prevents a studio from doing a non-union production?

Just not enough hirable talent around that's non-union?
 
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johnjm22 said:
What prevents a studio from doing a non-union production?

Just not enough hirable talent around that's non-union?
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Exactly, and it's self perpetuating. Studio's hire mostly union everything - actors, crew, background, writers, etc, because that's where the best people are. So any aspiring actor/etc (of which there are many!) will want to join the union to be included among 'the best people' to book roles. And you can't just decide to join the union, you have to have booked a few roles first before you're allowed to join.

I only know the Vancouver market but typically it will be your "Customer #2" roles that they may cast non-union. The non-union actor books 2-3 roles like that then they join the union, to hopefully book the better roles. And should really emphasize from that tweet thread above that for union members getting medical coverage depends entirely on how much money you made on union gigs every year.

At the end of the day there's going to be a lot of very talented actors out there that are non-union that studio's probably could create a series from, but to filter out the ones capable from the thousands of aspiring actors out there would be a nightmare.
 
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The most interesting part is the union wanting 2% of revenues generated by streaming shows.

There's no way to actually calculate the amount of revenue generated by a show because it's mostly being watched by people paying a subscription fee, as opposed to paying directly to view that specific show.

The idea that you can base revenue off a formula created by an analytics firm (as suggested by the union) using Google search information and social media mentions seems a bit far fetched.

The only reasonable solution would be to create a formula based on actual minutes watched of each show. I really hope this happens, and that the data is made public. For studios this could be embarrassing. If Amazon for example, had to report the paltry viewership for their 715M investment on Rings Of Power, that would look bad. Same with Disney Star Wars.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Yup , extremely selfish. Most jobs people would jumping for joy at a 5, 4, 3.5% raises over 3 years and they want a 11% to start? AND 2% on revenue on streaming? Yup, definition of selfishness to highjack the tv/movie industry on their unrealistic demands.
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Are you a teenager and/or never worked before?

Those are extremely reasonable demands
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
11% raise from one year? That isn’t a promotion? Who is the one who has never worked? Sounds like you.
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11% is backdated from their last collective bargaining agreement to adjust to inflation/CPI.

When making bargaining agreements, unless CPI/inflation is explicitly tied into the agreement, you kind of need to guess what % things will change when drafting the raises. Cost of living went out of control since last agreement
 
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for those curious on TV and Movies can still be filming, it is because they fall into either the category of independent or foreign production.

Example is the sequel to Game of Thrones(although this could change at any moment) it is a joint venture between HBO and SKy here in the UK with the HBO side being described as foreign to that of the US(but not really) and because of the laws here on striking

here is a statement on it to explain how why here in the UK most stuff is not affected and why maybe a few things ended up being filmed here

 
Money is the easy part imo.

Hard part is the AI and owning of a persons likeness .. or AI writing scripts

20 years from now a young actor does a Mission Impossible type movie .. then can the studio just use that actors likeness and create a bunch of sequels using AI and CGI and PBR?
 
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We're at the nadir of the creative process in Hollywood. Maybe AI isn't such a bad idea when it comes to coming up with new/fresh ideas? It can't be any worse then the regurtigation we see now.
 
With so much streaming available and most of us with more backlog of stuff they would like to watch but will never be able to catch up, I dont think these stars realize the public is not really going to miss them during this strike.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
We're at the nadir of the creative process in Hollywood. Maybe AI isn't such a bad idea when it comes to coming up with new/fresh ideas? It can't be any worse then the regurtigation we see now.
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Well I got bad news for you, what do you think AI/'machine learning' is right now? You feed it a bunch of existing stuff and it just regurgitates what it eats and spits it back out at you. You're not actually creating anything 'new' with AI, so from your perspective you'd only be making things much worse.
 
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RandV said:
Well I got bad news for you, what do you think AI/'machine learning' is right now? You feed it a bunch of existing stuff and it just regurgitates what it eats and spits it back out at you. You're not actually creating anything 'new' with AI, so from your perspective you'd only be making things much worse.
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What do you think a human brain does?

I don't see anything wrong with using AI as a tool.
 
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