Writer and actors on STRIKE. Most main stream TV and Movies come to a stand still

[93gilmour93]

...or people remember the last Indiana Jones movie that was made and were not excited about this one as a result.

Or that’s just an excuse and it bombed for other reasons that you have trouble admitting

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Or that’s just an excuse and it bombed for other reasons that you have trouble admitting

What reasons? Indiana Jones is too woke?

 

[John Price]

just tripped upon the drama in this thread

Let's address some issues here

- Yes the strike sucks but it means reality TV show like Gordon Ramsay's Food Star which is middling in ratings could possibly be extended despite internet outrage over one single character still being on the show

- The Marvel movies were good since Endgame, let's get that straight. And YES, you're right they did be inclusive. They had a gay Marvel character, a deaf marvel character, fine. That's not an issue. Those weren't the problems for those movies. People didn't watch Eternals and be like "WHAT THE f*** IS THAT GUY DOING THERE. HE CAN'T BE THERE."

Shit like that and Lightyear which was panned as a gigantic failure JUST because a woman had a lesbian relationship and had a kid, all of a sudden the movie's bad? No! It's a good movie.

Lol at this crusade against Hollywood wokeness. Those aren't the reasons movies failed and you can't point to one movie that has failed because the writing has "gone woke".

So you arne't wrong that GOTG 3 was the best out of the latest Marvel movies. But everything else is just wrong. The previous movies didn't flop because of wokeness. Heck Quantumania was panned as a failure even though it was a decent movie and there was nothing "woke" about Ant Man and his daughter going to the quantum realm lol

 

[Osprey]

Well in the example of the new Indiana Jones movie they’ve now just broke even. It takes a special screw up to not be making money off an existing franchise that’s always been a cash cow like Indiana Jones. That’s one of many examples and it’s not just due to a transaction period. It’s much bigger than that.

The Dial of Destiny isn't even close to breaking even. It needed to make over $900M at the box office to do that and it managed only $370M.

...or people remember the last Indiana Jones movie that was made and were not excited about this one as a result.

It was that and people not being excited by what they were hearing about it (for a variety of reasons).

 

[93gilmour93]

What reasons? Indiana Jones is too woke?

The numbers don’t lie

The Dial of Destiny isn't even close to breaking even. It needed to make over $900M at the box office to do that and it managed only $370M.

Even worse than I thought lol

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

Well in the example of the new Indiana Jones movie they’ve now just broke even. It takes a special screw up to not be making money off an existing franchise that’s always been a cash cow like Indiana Jones. That’s one of many examples and it’s not just due to a transaction period. It’s much bigger than that.

Change Indiana Jones to Mission:Impossible. The new one is absolutely bombing and it’s usually a cash cow. Is Tom Cruise and Paramount Too Woke?

That article says nothing about profits or losses. It simply lists grosses. We can guestimate the profits or losses from the grosses, however.

As the article states, Disney's 7 theatrical films this year have grossed $1.35B domestically and $2.05B internationally. Studios get to keep about 60% of domestic receipts and 30% of international receipts, which works out here to $0.81B + $0.615B = $1.425B total that Disney has gotten back from those 7 films. That may seem like a lot, but those 7 films cost, on average, about $240M apiece to make, or $1.68B combined. Disney then had to market them. The rule of thumb for marketing budgets is 50% the size of the production budgets, so $120M per film in this case, or $840M for all 7. That adds up to a total cost of $2.52B. Subtracting the $1.425B that they made reveals a loss of $1.095B. Add the projected losses from their 8th film, Haunted Mansion, and it goes even higher.

In other words, Disney has, indeed, lost well over $1B on its theatrical films this year.

Also, Elemental has not turned a profit. $150M domestic + $293M international translates to only $90M + $87.9M = $177.9M that Disney has gotten back against its $200M production budget. Adding $100M for marketing makes the deficit $122.1M.

“Better Than Break Even”: Elemental Will Make A Profit After Rare Box Office Comeback, Pixar Confirms

Elemental could be a surprise hit for Pixar.

screenrant.com

 

[93gilmour93]

Change Indiana Jones to Mission:Impossible. The new one is absolutely bombing and it’s usually a cash cow. Is Tom Cruise and Paramount Too Woke?

“Better Than Break Even”: Elemental Will Make A Profit After Rare Box Office Comeback, Pixar Confirms

Elemental could be a surprise hit for Pixar.

screenrant.com

I haven’t seen or heard about MI but I do know the new Top Gun movie did fantastic because it stuck to what made it successful and reaped the benefits. Just make a good action movie without woke nonsense and we have the most successful movie of Tom Cruise’s career.

Just looked it up. MI 7 cost about 300 million to make and has now made $522 million. Not sure if your example is a good one

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Just make a good action movie without woke nonsense and we have the most successful movie of Tom Cruise’s career.

Whatever "woke nonsense" is.

 

[93gilmour93]

Whatever "woke nonsense" is.

It’s that thing that kills profits more often than not

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

I haven’t seen or heard about MI but I do know the new Top Gun movie did fantastic because it stuck to what made it successful and reaped the benefits. Just make a good action movie without woke nonsense and we have the most successful movie of Tom Cruise’s career.

Just looked it up. MI 7 cost about 300 million to make and has now made $522 million. Not sure if your example is a good one

It’s a great example. The last MI made $250 million more. It’s being seen as a box office disappointment. Each movie has made money until this one, with an over $4 billion total gross. This one? It’s going to lose money.

‘Mission: Impossible 7’ Is Underperforming at the Box-Office, $75-80 Million Opening Projected — World of Reel

I don’t know what is the exact the reason for all of these underperforming summer blockbusters at the multiplex, but I certainly wasn’t expecting “Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning Part One” to be part of that group.

www.worldofreel.com

So is Tom Cruise too woke?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

It’s that thing that kills profits more often than not

I'm sure it does, whatever it is.

 

[93gilmour93]

It’s a great example. The last MI made $250 million more. It’s being seen as a box office disappointment. Each movie has made money until this one, with an over $4 billion total gross. This one? It’s going to lose money.

‘Mission: Impossible 7’ Is Underperforming at the Box-Office, $75-80 Million Opening Projected — World of Reel

I don’t know what is the exact the reason for all of these underperforming summer blockbusters at the multiplex, but I certainly wasn’t expecting “Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning Part One” to be part of that group.

www.worldofreel.com

So is Tom Cruise too woke?

The more I read on this I see it may not have made as much as some previous movies in the franchise but it has been profitable. Again not a great example

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The numbers don’t lie


Even worse than I thought lol

So, a shit movie did not make money after its predecessor, who was also shit, did not make money means it is too woke?

If you want to have the argument that Disney, as a company, is being targeted by the same people who shoot Bud Light cans, sure, we could have a discussion. There is so truth to it.

My counter argument would be, as @Mario_is_BACK!! pointed out, that Paramont is seeing the same thing happening to MI and they are not being targeted like Disney is. What that does tell me is that movie-going experiences have changed drastically since the pandemic. You can inject your nonsense about woke nonsense into it if you want, but it does not seem to be the primary driver here.

 

[93gilmour93]

The more I read on this I see it may not have made as much as some previous movies in the franchise but it has been profitable. Again not a great example

Delete. Quoted the wrong post

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Imagine being this upset about movies and athletes promoting decency, social justice and equality. And being pumped about when they fail (or allegedly fail, cause most often an analysis of "failure" doesnt hold up to scrutiny).
What a time to be alive.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

We are definitely not going to rehash the women's soccer "discourse" in a thread completely unrelated to it.

 

[93gilmour93]

Imagine being this upset about movies and athletes promoting decency, social justice and equality. And being pumped about when they fail (or allegedly fail, cause most often an analysis of "failure" doesnt hold up to scrutiny).
What a time to be alive.

Oh if it was that simple …..

 

[Osprey]

Change Indiana Jones to Mission:Impossible. The new one is absolutely bombing and it’s usually a cash cow. Is Tom Cruise and Paramount Too Woke?

Mission: Impossible actually isn't a cash cow. The highest-grossing film in the series, Fallout, grossed "only" $790M, and only 27.8% of that came from the domestic box office that studios get the higher percentage from. Paramount ended up pocketing only about $303M, which went to pay for its $178M production budget and estimated $89M marketing budget, so it made only about $36M in its theatrical run.

“Better Than Break Even”: Elemental Will Make A Profit After Rare Box Office Comeback, Pixar Confirms

Elemental could be a surprise hit for Pixar.

screenrant.com

I'm aware that Pixar's president said that it will break even, and that's extremely hard to believe because the numbers don't support it. He's either mistaken or being dishonest, like not factoring in the marketing budget, like he should. Keep in mind that his boss, the Disney CEO, was being highly dishonest (or incompetent) when he repeatedly told the media that The Dial of Destiny wasn't underperforming and would gross $900M. I know that you're no fan of studio executives, so you may agree that these executives will lie through their teeth to make their films' performance look better.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Well in the example of the new Indiana Jones movie

What was "woke" about that film?

It takes a special screw up to not be making money off an existing franchise

Not really. Movies are flops, like, all the time.

That's my main issue with this theory, y'all are acting like flops didn't happen until 2018 or whatever.

 

[93gilmour93]

What was "woke" about that film?



Not really. Movies are flops, like, all the time.

That's my main issue with this theory, y'all are acting like flops didn't happen until 2018 or whatever.

Flops happen but flops happening for the reason it is in the last few years are very different

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Just make a good action movie without woke nonsense

What does "woke nonsense" mean, can you give specific examples?

Flops happen but flops happening for the reason it is in the last few years are very different

Didn't Barbie make a gazillion dollars despite being man hating or whatever?

Doesn't that directly contradict your theory?

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

If you live in fear of the Woke Bogeyman all you're going to see is the Woke Bogeyman. Everything you don't like is because of the Woke Bogeyman. Everything that fails is because of the Woke Bogeyman.

Ghostbusters has a movie labeled as "woke" and subsequent movie that isn't considered "woke" and you know what? They're both bad. Independent of their "wokeness." You know why? Bad writing.

Star Wars has movies disliked for being "woke," a movie widely despised for being a clear response to being called "woke" and an entire separate trilogy that pre-dates "wokeness" that may actually have the worst movies in the series (depending on one's preferences). Why? Largely because of bad writing.

The MCU is all over the map. Black Panther is pretty great! Its sequel, less so! Both "woke," but one has clear script issues and is much worse quality. Is the fact that Valkyrie is portrayed as bi in the Thor movies really what is holding Love and Thunder down? Were you really feeling it until she flirted with a woman and then were like AH THIS IS POLITICAL TRASH? Hate to break it to you but recent projects like Quantummania and Moon Knight and Hawkeye completely sucked on their own volition with little whiff of "wokeness" in sight. Unless I missed it ... I'm not quite as ... sensitive to these issues as others.

Oh but She-Hulk, right? Well that's on y'all. Not sure what you expected from a character that is canonically meta and jokey. I don't have a problem if you didn't think it worked, but disliking She-Hulk for the tone of its character and its concept is similar to throwing out Black Panther for the same. If that's the deal breaker it was never intended for you in the first place.

Sorry that not every single one of the MCU's now 40+ movies and TV shows have not been aimed squarely at your preferences. That clearly has been pretty difficult for you and you have my sympathies in these trying times.

 

[John Price]

If you live in fear of the Woke Bogeyman all you're going to see is the Woke Bogeyman. Everything you don't like is because of the Woke Bogeyman. Everything that fails is because of the Woke Bogeyman.

Ghostbusters has a movie labeled as "woke" and subsequent movie that isn't considered "woke" and you know what? They're both bad. Independent of their "wokeness." You know why? Bad writing.

Star Wars has movies disliked for being "woke," a movie widely despised for being a clear response to being called "woke" and an entire separate trilogy that pre-dates "wokeness" that may actually have the worst movies in the series (depending on one's preferences). Why? Largely because of bad writing.

The MCU is all over the map. Black Panther is pretty great! Its sequel, less so! Both "woke," but one has clear script issues and is much worse quality. Is the fact that Valkyrie is portrayed as bi in the Thor movies really what is holding Love and Thunder down? Were you really feeling it until she flirted with a woman and then were like AH THIS IS POLITICAL TRASH? Hate to break it to you but recent projects like Quantummania and Moon Knight and Hawkeye completely sucked on own volition with little a whiff of "wokeness" in sight. Unless I missed it ... I'm not quite as ... sensitive to these issues as others.

Oh but She-Hulk, right? Well that's on y'all. Not sure what you expected from a character that is canonically meta and jokey. I don't have a problem if you didn't think it worked, but disliking She-Hulk for the tone of its character and its concept is similar to throwing out Black Panther for the same. If that's the deal breaker it was never intended for you in the first place.

Sorry that not every single one of the MCU's now 40+ movies and TV shows have not been aimed squarely at your preferences.

this, the movies that sucked weren't cause they went woke, they sucked because of casting choices and scripts

that new all-female ghostbusters was a horrible movie but if it was any good with writing you wouldn't hear so much pushback

what pisses me off the most was people pushing back on disney and Lightyear because a secondary's characters parents were lesbian, like who cares.

re: criticism, for Quantumania it was a few complaints about the hackneyed plot, nothing remotely woke happened in that movie. IMO it is a solid movie. In WF it was that the black teen was going to MIT and helping out Wakanda. Too "progressive" for some minds to handle. WF overall was a solid movie and good tribute to Chadwick RIP. L&T I had already forgotten that Valkyrie was LGBT, it's just such a non issue. THe problem was too much forced comedy like goats screeching all movie and misuse of Christian Bale.

We are seeing more Asian movies, more LGBT movies, more movies about deaf people, and all people want to do is complain because it's too inclusive. At the very least, it's breaking out from the typical Hollywood formula. It all goes back to that Chris Rock comment when he hosted the oscars and noticed about the lack of black nominees (the original time he was taking shots at Jada Smith lol) and how they were 'sitting out" of the Oscars, and he was right, Hollywood was notoriously refusing to branch out. Then when they do branch out and make diverse movies, people critique that too. Bud, this is Hollywood, they focused on non-diversity for years, maybe even decades. They're finally branching out and this is what people have a beef with?



"I'm here at the Academy Awards, otherwise known as the White People's Choice Awards"

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Star Wars has movies disliked for being "woke," a movie widely despised for being a clear response to being called "woke" and an entire separate trilogy that pre-dates "wokeness" that may actually have the worst movies in the series (depending on one's preferences). Why? Largely because of bad writing.

That movie was also the highest grossing movie of 2017. The second was the remake of Beauty and the Beast, which may or may not have been woke. I don't know because no one will tell me what that means.

Box office revenue of the top movies worldwide 2017 | Statista

The statistic above presents the most successful movies at the global box office in 2017.

www.statista.com

 

[kook10]

That movie was also the highest grossing movie of 2017. The second was the remake of Beauty and the Beast, which may or may not have been woke. I don't know because no one will tell me what that means.

Box office revenue of the top movies worldwide 2017 | Statista

The statistic above presents the most successful movies at the global box office in 2017.

www.statista.com

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