Proposal: Wpg - mtl

[Oleg Petrov]

To MTL:
Tobias Enstrom 32, LHD, $5.75 for 16-17 & 17-18, No Move Clause and is required to be protected in Expansion.

To WPG:
Alex Emelin 30, LHD, $4.1 for 16-17 & 17-18, No Trade Clause and is NOT required to be protected in Expansion.

Why?

MTL: Get a puck moving LHD who can play with Weber on their 1st pairing. Lose a D protection spot which will either expose Beaulieu or make them protect 4 D.

WPG: Downgrade from a puck mover to a more physical player, but gain the expansion spot on D. Also save cash.

Enstrom: Waives to go to Montreal as opposed to being asked to waive his no move for purposes of Expansion next year. Would rather play for a contender then an Expansion team.

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[Paulie Gualtieri]

MTL adds a smaller piece IMO.

 

[Maukkis]

Yeah this is a no from both sides. Enstrom is a valuable part of our top 4, especially with Myers being a question mark (and yes, other Jets fans, until we see him play, he is a question mark), and downgrading is not something we can afford to do with our LHD depth being shaky already. While saving cash and a protection spot aren't bad things in vacuum, I value Enstrom more than them two combined.

On the other hand, Montreal would gain another NMC, which would be their third defenseman with the clause. That leaves Beaulieu exposed, which won't be received well here. Also, I don't think the deal would work cap wise for Montreal.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Yeah this is a no from both sides. Enstrom is a valuable part of our top 4, especially with Myers being a question mark (and yes, other Jets fans, until we see him play, he is a question mark), and downgrading is not something we can afford to do with our LHD depth being shaky already. While saving cash and a protection spot aren't bad things in vacuum, I value Enstrom more than them two combined.

On the other hand, Montreal would gain another NMC, which would be their third defenseman with the clause. That leaves Beaulieu exposed, which won't be received well here. Also, I don't think the deal would work cap wise for Montreal.

I think if it happened they protect:
Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Shaw
Weber, Petry, Enstrom, Beaulieu

Leaving Plekanec exposes, although I don't think he gets claimed at that dollar amount.

 

[Moose Head]

I believe only Petry has a NMC.

 

[kingdok]

I believe only Petry has a NMC.

Pretty sure Montreal would protect Weber though

 

[Pongs21]

Big no from this Jets fan. MTL would need to add something else of pretty good value here. If Enstrom was available, I'm sure we would fetch a significant better return from another team.

 

[Treb]

Yeah this is a no from both sides. Enstrom is a valuable part of our top 4, especially with Myers being a question mark (and yes, other Jets fans, until we see him play, he is a question mark), and downgrading is not something we can afford to do with our LHD depth being shaky already. While saving cash and a protection spot aren't bad things in vacuum, I value Enstrom more than them two combined.

On the other hand, Montreal would gain another NMC, which would be their third defenseman with the clause. That leaves Beaulieu exposed, which won't be received well here. Also, I don't think the deal would work cap wise for Montreal.

I believe only Petry has a NMC.

Indeed, Weber doesn't have a NMC, Subban had one that had yet to be activated and now never will be.

I think if it happened they protect:
Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Shaw
Weber, Petry, Enstrom, Beaulieu

Leaving Plekanec exposes, although I don't think he gets claimed at that dollar amount.

Plekanec would definitely be claimed. Not a lot of center of his caliber will be exposed.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Indeed, Weber doesn't have a NMC, Subban had one that had yet to be activated and now never will be.



Plekanec would definitely be claimed. Not a lot of center of his caliber will be exposed.

one year left at $6.0. That seems like poor asset management by Vegas.

 

[Moose Head]

Pretty sure Montreal would protect Weber though

Weber, Petry and Beaulieu are most like being protected. They'd expose Emelin. Not crazy about the idea of having to protect 4 dmen in order to not lose Beaulieu and only being able to protect 4 forwards. So while Enstrom would be an upgrade, not enough of one to create a bad expansion draft scenario. Plus, the extra cap hit would hurt.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Markov + DD (1 mil retained) for Enstrom + Thorburn

 

[kingdok]

Weber, Petry and Beaulieu are most like being protected. They'd expose Emelin. Not crazy about the idea of having to protect 4 dmen in order to not lose Beaulieu and only being able to protect 4 forwards. So while Enstrom would be an upgrade, not enough of one to create a bad expansion draft scenario. Plus, the extra cap hit would hurt.

Who are those 7 forwards that Montreal needs to protect? I'd rather have Enstrom in Montreal than Emelin and Desharnais/Andrighetto/Mitchell/Danault/Flynn/Byron/Desharnais. Plekanec will likely not get claimed, as he will only have 1 year left on his contract. It's possible but a team will likely pick a young guy like Andrighetto or Danault

Also, I don't think Montreal needs to honor Enstrom NMC clause if he gets traded.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Markov + DD (1 mil retained) for Enstrom + Thorburn

They may do Markov alone + a pick to get out from the cash at the end of this season, but part of the reasoning here is that MTL's window is now and they need Markov on the team.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Who are those 7 forwards that Montreal needs to protect? I'd rather have Enstrom in Montreal then Emelin and Desharnais/Andrighetto/Mitchell/Danault/Flynn/Byron/Desharnais. Plekanec will likely not get claimed, as he will only have 1 year left on his contract. It's possible but a team will likely pick a young guy like Andrighetto or Danault

nail on head

 

[lamp9post]

To MTL:
Tobias Enstrom 32, LHD, $5.75 for 16-17 & 17-18, No Move Clause and is required to be protected in Expansion.

To WPG:
Alex Emelin 30, LHD, $4.1 for 16-17 & 17-18, No Trade Clause and is NOT required to be protected in Expansion.

Why?

MTL: Get a puck moving LHD who can play with Weber on their 1st pairing. Lose a D protection spot which will either expose Beaulieu or make them protect 4 D.

WPG: Downgrade from a puck mover to a more physical player, but gain the expansion spot on D. Also save cash.

Enstrom: Waives to go to Montreal as opposed to being asked to waive his no move for purposes of Expansion next year. Would rather play for a contender then an Expansion team.

Heck yes from Montreal. I'm a big fan of Enstrom and think he'd be a great fit in Montreal and alongside Weber. Worry about expansion problems next summer.

one year left at $6.0. That seems like poor asset management by Vegas.

Do you really think Vegas will have 14 more valuable assets exposed to them in the expansion draft that are more valuable than Plekanec? He has no trade restrictions on his contract and could easily be dealt for a tidy return at the deadline (with salary retained) to a contender. Or he could be re-signed and be a valuable, versatile veteran presence on what will likely be a young team for the next 3 or 4 years.

Edit: Vegas has to hit the salary floor - short term contracts like this for quality veterans are more likely to attract them than scare them away IMO.

 

[Moose Head]

Who are those 7 forwards that Montreal needs to protect? I'd rather have Enstrom in Montreal than Emelin and Desharnais/Andrighetto/Mitchell/Danault/Flynn/Byron/Desharnais. Plekanec will likely not get claimed, as he will only have 1 year left on his contract. It's possible but a team will likely pick a young guy like Andrighetto or Danault

Also, I don't think Montreal needs to honor Enstrom NMC clause if he gets traded.

Not 7, but more than 4. Just makes things more flexible. I'm guessing prior to the expansion draft teams will be looking to make trades to avoid having to expose players. Might be able to snag a forward or two at a good price under that scenario. Be nice to have 7 protection spots.

 

[kingdok]

Not 7, but more than 4. Just makes things more flexible. I'm guessing prior to the expansion draft teams will be looking to make trades to avoid having to expose players. Might be able to snag a forward or two at a good price under that scenario. Be nice to have 7 protection spots.

Would be nice but Enstrom is an awesome second pairing dman. It's the kind of deal you have to make. Better that than possible other transactions that might not happen

Anyway, pretty sure Winipeg could get more for him, although Enstrom has the final word with his NMC

 

[sully1410]

Ummm no. Winnipeg has no issues protecting four Dmen

 

[Stuzchuk]

hmmm... to me it looks pretty bad for WPG

 

[JetsHomer]

We take on a completly terrible player and ruin our entire left side defence all so we can maybe keep a player like Armia or Lowry next year at expansion?

Lol, no

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Ummm no. Winnipeg has no issues protecting four Dmen

Winnipeg will lose one of Perreault, Lowry, Dano or Copp.

If you do this trade you can protect 3 of those 4.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Winnipeg will lose one of Perreault, Lowry, Dano or Copp.

If you do this trade you can protect 3 of those 4.

So even if they do this trade, they'll still lose one of them... I'm not sure if this post was supposed to add incentive

 

[JetsHomer]

Winnipeg will lose one of Perreault, Lowry, Dano or Copp.

If you do this trade you can protect 3 of those 4.

Enstrom > Emelin (a cap dump) + one of Lowry, Dano or Copp.

Perreault will be protected along with Wheeler, Scheifele and Little

 

[Skiffer55]

Ummm no. Winnipeg has no issues protecting four Dmen

This is true. We all know Las Vegas wants Mark Stuart anyways

 

[Moose Head]

We take on a completly terrible player and ruin our entire left side defence all so we can maybe keep a player like Armia or Lowry next year at expansion?

Lol, no

He's not a terrible player. Jeez, the hyperbole on this site is ridiculous sometimes.