Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[Junohockeyfan]

Well that’s just not how value works…

If i pay you $2 for a one dollar bill, is that bill now worth 2 dollars?

If the one dollar bill's value increased to 2 dollars then yes. Inflation!

 

[dirtydanglez]

The Newhook trade was bad for whom exactly? What a strange take.

overpay by the habs

 

[RR44]

also brought back our #1 center and vezina goaltender on long term deals when everyone thought they were gone

Excellent observation...the armchair, ticktok GM's demanded those two be traded. The GM listened to his coach and sought input from those two cornerstone players who wanted to stay but ensure they retool. The GM signed these two who have lots of milage left to long term relatively cap friendly deals.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Well that’s just not how value works…

If i pay you $2 for a one dollar bill, is that bill now worth 2 dollars?

You can't buy money.

But your analogy would fit for anything else.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Detest the habs but good asset management from Hughes and the Jets needed to bolster the C position.

A late first for a big C that would be 2nd in scoring(a little skewed due to injuries from Connor and Vilardi) and allows cap flexibility post trade with up to 5M to make additional moves.

Habs get asset they want, Jets get position they require and cap space.

A rare win/win for both.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Pretty sure a lot of Habs fans are just happy because this entire board constantly devalue their assets as a hobby.

Screw the actual trade, this is a personal victory for them lol.

YEP! LOL. Here folks is an honest and accurate take. And perfectly put. It's a hobby. These ppl have no lives, I guess.

And it is personal dammit.

 

[LesCanadiens]

A well articulated post with thought put into the reasons why...100 thumbs up!

Thanks, dude. Much appreciate that!!

PS: If you guys wind-up extending him. Bring up Lambert next year and plant him next to Sean Monahan. And the dividends from that alone will be worth every penny you spend on Moneyhands.

 

[Hunter368]

That stupid GM has done the following over the last year:

-brought in a well respected veteran to add depth and plays the 200 ft game the Jets coaching staff asks, this veteran was the same player brought in by the Habs to help their rebuild and set an example for their young players

-bought out a player in Wheeler who served the franchise well but past his best days and perhaps a distraction in the room

-brought in depth forwards who are solid pros with high give a shit meters in Niedereider and Namesnikov

-signed their two cornerstone players in Hellebuyck and Scheifele to long term, cap friendly deals to keep them Jets for likely the remainder of their careers with lots of milage left

-turned a player in PLD who didn't want to resign in Winnipeg and seems to dislike hockey at times into 3 versatile forwards increasing their depth and adding more hard working pros into their lineup

-moving out Wheeler and PLD puts more onus and responsibilities for Ehlers and Perfetti, they've responded very well

-the GM listened to his coach after the playoffs VS LV and got to work making the changes + not making certain moves the armchair, ticktok GM's demanded (fire Bowness, trade #55 and 37)

Winnipeg has shown so far they play big boy hockey that the playoffs ultimately demands. They look equipped to keep this up in the stretch run, this is a team no one in the West wants to face.

True, while I/most would of preferred Lindholm (short term & long term) one has to move on, that's water under the bridge need to look forward and not backward. So only focused on moving forward with Monahan, putting Lindholm out of mind. Makes no sense to focus on what you don't have, focus on what we do have.

Monahan will help with:

- Offence in general, especially on the PP (lord knows our PP needs help)
- Faceoffs
- Due to his faceoff skills, the 2nd line will play more TOI likely, bc in the past Mark/Lowry always had to be depended on for defensive FO wins
- He will push Names down the lineup, adding to our bottom 6 which is already a strength, Names just makes it better & smarter.
- Leadership/experience, the Jets don't lack leadership IMO but more is never bad, same goes for playoff experience.
- Monahan has produced at a pretty good rate in the playoffs in the past which is good.

Jets will help Monahan with:

- Jets are one of the best defensive teams in the NHL, everyone is defensively aware and works hard at it (KC isn't good defensively, but his offence makes up for it), so the Jets will help cover up Monahan defensive slight short comings. Most of us will be watching how he does here, we know can produce offensively, but some concerns defensively. Not huge concerns bc both his wingers & system will help cover this up. I don't want Bones to have Monahan & KC on the same line though. Cole & Ehlers both good defensively would be good line mates.
- Assuming he plays on the 2nd line, Ehlers speed and zone entry's are elite which will help Monahan average at best skating.
- Jets protect each other well, anyone targeting Monahan physically will have to deal with the entire team who will step up to protect him. Monahan isn't physical but the Jets are, they don't shy away from it. Jets don't have any big heavy weights, but Lowry & Dillon don't back down from anyone.
- Jets have strong wingers and that will help Monahan offence, which is one of his strengths already.
- Monahan will get easier match ups (Mark always draws the other teams best), Lowry checks often the other teams top offensive line or Mark goes head to head with them. Monahan line should get some favorable matchups which will help offensively & defensively.

My biggest concerns: Monahan health, the Western teams play more physically IMO then the Eastern teams and will target Monahan come the playoffs knowing his health issues. Nothing we can do about it, just hope and pray.

My one big wish: Chevy would save enough cap for Cole's bonus (fine), but otherwise he should use up that cap maximize the benefit of Monahan's tiny cap hit & upgrade the RHD. Tanev please, my concern is Chevy's loyalty to the players will stop him from putting Schmidt into the PB and add Tanev. Samberg/Tanev would be VERY good defensive shutdown 3rd pairing.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Jets are a high IQ team and Moneyhands should fit in nicely. I feel Perfetti and Ehlers would make perfect linemates. Perfetti thinks the game at a high level and Ehlers can carry the puck and gain zone entries. Namestnikov was solid in that role but he lacks finish. Monahan will finally give that line a shooting option in the middle of the ice, closer to what the Jets already have in Scheifele.

Are you sure thats the best line pairing? You'd have one excellent skater, one good skater, then one guy who skates like he has a wooden leg.

Or is it that Ehlers and Perfetti don't feast on transition?

 

[amnesiac]

 

[Flair Hay]

Are you sure thats the best line pairing? You'd have one excellent skater, one good skater, then one guy who skates like he has a wooden leg.

Or is it that Ehlers and Perfetti don't feast on transition?

If anything Perfetti and Ehlers live for time and space and can struggle without it.

Namestnikov has been a great glue guy there all year.

Obviously Chevy is hoping to get more offensively out of that line. Monahan probably hurts the transition game but helps in the offensive zone

 

[TT1]

i dont understand what the big fuss is here, has anyone actually watched Monahan play these 2 last seasons? he's been great

sure you're taking a gamble on his health but if he stays healthy and if WPG manages to resign him for ~2-3 years then giving up a late first for this type of player is nothing (and even if they don't resign him, that's the typical price for this caliber of rental player)

you're not gonna find too many sub 30 year old 2 way C's on the trade market, on top of being great on faceoffs + being able to play 2C minutes.. getting that package in a player for a 20-30 1st rounder isn't crazy at all

 

[Jee]

It's a huge L for them. Pushed the rebuild out past a decade now with no end in site. At some point the rebuild has to be over. But no it keeps going. And your going to be worse next year than this year.

Lmao how delusional is this guy

 

[kylbaz]

Another few positive observations about Monahan for you Jets fans. Even the weird ones .

If you watch him closely, you will see so many little things he does that make a difference. And you'll also see how freaking calm he is. His IQ is so high, and he sees the ice sooooo well, he gets to where he should be whether to accept a pass or to forecheck steps ahead of the play. And with the puck on his stick, he never panics. Always head up and making a play. He's so calm and is a calming influence on his teammates.

He makes those cliche'd "savvy, veteran" plays that really help his team and linemates. The little things that the sum of the parts are greater than the whole. I think he'll be a standout in the playoffs. I really like this player, as you all know by now. And that hasn't changed even though he's a Jet now.

Love reading these, thanks. Wish more people did, than just his stat line.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Love reading these, thanks. Wish more people did, than just his stat line.

My pleasure. Thank you. And yes, stats and analytics never tell the whole story, IMO. Cheers.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If anything Perfetti and Ehlers live for time and space and can struggle without it.

Namestnikov has been a great glue guy there all year.

Obviously Chevy is hoping to get more offensively out of that line. Monahan probably hurts the transition game but helps in the offensive zone

On a broadcast, I had heard that one of the team strengths was having 4 different but functional lines and the idea being that this diversity between the lines makes Winnipeg more difficult to play against. Thats why i was a little surprised when Winnipeg fans were pushing back so hard on Monahan and saying they didnt need him (in the Monahan first to go thread).

I didnt say anything because Jets fans know their team. But its hard to imagine him on a line with Ehlers or Connor without hindering their pace. Yes speed can be used in OZ sets to create time and space but it still seems less than ideal.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For Jets fans wondering what they are getting:

He's a smart player. Deceptively skilled. He's a hardworker and has really soft hands around the goal and behind the goal line.

He's good at protecting the puck and winning board battles. He's not fast, but I've never found his skating to be an issue/prevent him from being involved in the play. He has a lot of patience with the puck and knows how to slow down the play to his benefit.

He can slot anywhere in the lineup and is great in the bumper position on the PP.

I would take him back.

Here's other folks on our board:







I refrained from commenting on this board about Monahan because the comments/assessment from fans around the league this whole Monahan saga was just wrong. Like, stupidly wrong.

He's a great player. A great teammate. I loved his time on the habs. He was such a pleasure to watch, especially since he had to carry plugs as wingers for like 90% of the games he played with the habs. I'm not joking, his linemates sucked most of the time.

Thanks for this. I particularly like hearing about his smarts.

I didn't like this trade initially, but I'm coming around.

 

[Guardian17]

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

lol...exactly, it's just a high 2nd.

But that's OK because a high 2nd is actually a late 1st.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

On a broadcast, I had heard that one of the team strengths was having 4 different but functional lines and the idea being that this diversity between the lines makes Winnipeg more difficult to play against. Thats why i was a little surprised when Winnipeg fans were pushing back so hard on Monahan and saying they didnt need him (in the Monahan first to go thread).

I didnt say anything because Jets fans know their team. But its hard to imagine him on a line with Ehlers or Connor without hindering their pace. Yes speed can be used in OZ sets to create time and space but it still seems less than ideal.

Speed never held Monahan back on the Habs 5 on 5. It was lack of play driving talented wingers with the Habs (stuck with Pearson / Gallagher / Armia / Anderson). Speed and talent on the wings will improve Monahan's impact on a line. If you expect Monahan to cycle the puck to death, then he won't produce.

Where Chevy fell short was not putting a condition of number of games played to protect against injury.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Speed never held Monahan back on the Habs 5 on 5. It was lack of play driving talented wingers with the Habs (stuck with Pearson / Gallagher / Armia / Anderson). Speed and talent on the wings will improve Monahan's impact on a line. If you expect Monahan to cycle the puck to death, then he won't produce.

Where Chevy fell short was not putting a condition of number of games played to protect against injury.

Not sure its apples to apples. Does Montreal have speed/skill combinations like Ehlers or Connor? I know Anderson has speed but hes not exactly on the same level of skill.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Not sure its apples to apples. Does Montreal have speed/skill combinations like Ehlers or Connor? I know Anderson has speed but hes not exactly on the same level of skill.

Montreal does not have combinations like Ehlers or Connor. Dach is a play driver but occupies C and got injured in game 2. Newhook is hoped to be a play driving winger but got injured early. There was no room for Monahan on the top line (as a winger). There was nothing left to put on a line with him. He was potent on the PP because he had talent (Suzuki / Caufield) to play with.

Monahan did not have any suitable wingers. Josh Anderson is a grinding type of winger built for cycling the puck. Not an ideal fit for Monahan. Monahan did well with Gallagher / Pearson but it wasn't an ideal line.

Put Monahan with Ehlers / Connor and i think you have a scoring line.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Oh, so do I. They seem competent and professionnal in their approach. But I find new management selling off when they aren't trying to ice a competitive team is the easiest part, so we shouldn't be overly impressed.

The fact Monahan recovered enough to be worth renting off is just dumb luck for us, really.

Thing is that he didn't turn Monahan into 2 1sts. He turned $6mil (his actual salary remaining on the contract they bought) into 2 1st rd picks. 1 of them will be late but the other will probably be fairly early.

Lucky or not he put himself in the position to be able to get lucky. Credit where it is due.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Agreed re: Cheveldayoff did very well here. Most on here seem to forgotten some of the other recent deals/moves Cheveldayoff has made which has worked out:

-bought out a player who served the franchise well but past his best days and perhaps a distraction in the room...his reaction to Bowness' honesty after the L.V. playoff loss was telling

-brought in depth forwards who are solid pros with high give a shit meters in Niedereider and Namesnikov

-signed their two cornerstone players to long term, cap friendly deals signalling intent there was no blowup to rebuild

-turned a player who didn't want to resign and seems to dislike hockey at times into 3 forwards increasing their depth and from all accounts are solid pros

-moving out Wheeler and PLD puts more onus and responsibilities for Ehlers and Perfetti, they've responded very well

Most important... Cheveldayoff listened to his coach after the playoffs and got to work and fixed it. Guaranteed no one wants to face Winnipeg in the playoffs...this is a rugged team who has forward depth, a solid defence with a genuine minute munching #1 in Morrisey and a goalie who on most nights will only need you to score 3-4 goals to win.

All very good points. I would also add that the Jets have restocked for the most part their prospect cupboard by adding some Blue chip guys into the mix like McGroarty/Lambert/Barlow/Chibrikov/Salomonsson. I think it makes it far easier to trade a late 1st when you draft really well.

 

[RR44]

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