Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[Flair Hay]

On a broadcast, I had heard that one of the team strengths was having 4 different but functional lines and the idea being that this diversity between the lines makes Winnipeg more difficult to play against. Thats why i was a little surprised when Winnipeg fans were pushing back so hard on Monahan and saying they didnt need him (in the Monahan first to go thread).

I didnt say anything because Jets fans know their team. But its hard to imagine him on a line with Ehlers or Connor without hindering their pace. Yes speed can be used in OZ sets to create time and space but it still seems less than ideal.

No doubt. I didn't see him as a perfect fit here like Lindholm as he has always been more of a 200 ft player than Monahan.

Ehlers can be a bit of a one man breakout machine so he does help cover up weaknesses of slower guys.

Namestnikov is pretty quick so hopefully having two slow guys and not just one doesn't hold back the zone exit game too much to hurt us.

Monahan should help the most in the o-zone as a compliment to those guys. Both Perfetti and Ehlers are great passers so he will get his looks from the high slot.

 

[John Mandalorian]

No doubt. I didn't see him as a perfect fit here like Lindholm as he has always been more of a 200 ft player than Monahan.

Ehlers can be a bit of a one man breakout machine so he does help cover up weaknesses of slower guys.

Namestnikov is pretty quick so hopefully having two slow guys and not just one doesn't hold back the zone exit game too much to hurt us.

Monahan should help the most in the o-zone as a compliment to those guys. Both Perfetti and Ehlers are great passers so he will get his looks from the high slot.

You're more on board with this then?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You're more on board with this then?

Day 3 - they have reached somewhere between acceptance and optimism!

Frankly, the main boards painted a incorrect picture of Monahan. He will make plays in the O-zone and be competent in the D zone.

The only question is if he will get injured. That's is the primary concern.

 

[LesCanadiens]

If anything Perfetti and Ehlers live for time and space and can struggle without it.

Namestnikov has been a great glue guy there all year.

Obviously Chevy is hoping to get more offensively out of that line. Monahan probably hurts the transition game but helps in the offensive zone

I highly doubt that part. He'll likely help spring the transition game with his great anticipation, and nifty neutral-zone passes to guys flying through the neutral zone. People have to remember this guy was a blue-chip center entering his prime when his hips gave out and then he needed surgery for each over a two year period. He was a star. And for good reason. His IQ is his magic. And he'll improve any line you put him on.

It's not out of the question that you may be getting him at a time where he can continue where he left off, and finally enter his prime and get even better. Never a sure thing. But kinda seems like it's playing out that way in real time. Either way, injuries aside, you won't be disappointed with this player and this trade.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I highly doubt that part. He'll likely help spring the transition game with his great anticipation, and nifty neutral-zone passes to guys flying through the neutral zone. People have to remember this guy was a blue-chip center entering his prime when his hips gave out and then he needed surgery for each over a two year period. He was a star. And for good reason. His IQ is his magic. And he'll improve any line you put him on.

It's not out of the question that you may be getting him at a time where he can continue where he left off, and finally enter his prime and get even better. Never a sure thing. But kinda seems like it's playing out that way in real time. Either way, injuries aside, you won't be disappointed with this player and this trade.

Its astounding how people have such a terrible take on Monahan. Main boards seem to think he's a slothful slug with no vision.

Monahan is a playmaking C with vision, good passing and can shoot. He can skate the puck in the zone and he can create plays. What he struggles at is cycling the puck in the corners and winning battles down low. He's not physical. And injuries.

I am still not convinced he makes it through the playoffs without an injury.

 

[kylbaz]

Its astounding how people have such a terrible take on Monahan. Main boards seem to think he's a slothful slug with no vision.

Monahan is a playmaking C with vision, good passing and can shoot. He can skate the puck in the zone and he can create plays. What he struggles at is cycling the puck in the corners and winning battles down low. He's not physical. And injuries.

I am still not convinced he makes it through the playoffs without an injury.

The average fan isn't the best "scout". Majority of them commenting haven't even seen him play and just look at his stats. I've read nothing but praise from Montreal fans which has made me pumped since the trade happened. Monahan didn't have much to work with in Montreal and that's about to change.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Its astounding how people have such a terrible take on Monahan. Main boards seem to think he's a slothful slug with no vision.

Monahan is a playmaking C with vision, good passing and can shoot. He can skate the puck in the zone and he can create plays. What he struggles at is cycling the puck in the corners and winning battles down low. He's not physical. And injuries.

I am still not convinced he makes it through the playoffs without an injury.

It's only because he was a Hab player. Trust me, in less than a month he'll be great according to these boards. And truthfully, I never noticed the bolded parts. Cycling isn't his game, nor is corner-work, but I always thought he did just find along the boards (good stick) and definitely had no problem handling physical play around the net. Always seemed to gain position in the bumper area. And although not a physical player, he never took shit either. JMHO!

And as long as his hips are 100%, I don't see any sign at this point that he's about to go on IR any game now. He's taken the regular rigors of the NHL all year and hasn't blinked.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The average fan isn't the best "scout". Majority of them commenting haven't even seen him play and just look at his stats. I've read nothing but praise from Montreal fans which has made me pumped since the trade happened. Monahan didn't have much to work with in Montreal and that's about to change.

I've seen so many posters crap on his relatively low even strength points and surmise that he is only a PP specialist. They don't look at the revolving door of below average wingers (due to injuries and rebuild). They just assume he doesn't have skills anymore.

The only fans who actually know what he brings are Habs fans. He's going to do well in Wpg and will likely exceed his 60pt pace if paired with Ehlers / Perfetti and given PP time. Its an obvious outcome.

I sincernly doubt he finishes the season without an injury though.

It's only because he was a Hab player. Trust me, in less than a month he'll be great according to these boards. And truthfully, I never noticed the bolded parts. Cycling isn't his game, nor is corner-work, but I always thought he did just find along the boards (good stick) and definitely had no problem handling physical play around the net. Always seemed to gain position in the bumper area. And although not a physical player, he never took shit either. JMHO!

And as long as his hips are 100%, I don't see any sign at this point that he's about to go on IR any game now. He's taken the regular rigors of the NHL all year and hasn't blinked.

He will surprise Jets fans and that's unfortunate because there should be no surprise. Also, i don't get the take on him being poor defensively. I don't buy into the fancy stats that people show. I think he's good defensively - just at a disadvantage with the Habs inexperience D unable to clear the zone. On the Jets, he will be above average in his own zone IMO.

On the other hand i think Suzuki doesn't get enough credit for his defensive game and ability to disrupt the other team's offense the way Danault use to (but not to that high level).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Just saw the news and rushed to this thread. Don't have time to read through 30+ pages, but has anybody posted yet about how how everybody made fun of Habs fans for expecting a 1st??

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

So you believe the majority of Habs fans were expecting that when it was just one loon?

 

[Flair Hay]

I highly doubt that part. He'll likely help spring the transition game with his great anticipation, and nifty neutral-zone passes to guys flying through the neutral zone. People have to remember this guy was a blue-chip center entering his prime when his hips gave out and then he needed surgery for each over a two year period. He was a star. And for good reason. His IQ is his magic. And he'll improve any line you put him on.

It's not out of the question that you may be getting him at a time where he can continue where he left off, and finally enter his prime and get even better. Never a sure thing. But kinda seems like it's playing out that way in real time. Either way, injuries aside, you won't be disappointed with this player and this trade.

Happy to hear this, thanks for the encouraging words and for me and my assumptions based off his stats.

 

[Wayfarer13]

It's possible there's another stupid GM out there besides Chevy. Doesn't change the fact that Monahan isn't worth that kind of return.

At that time and place that was his value.

 

[Flair Hay]

You're more on board with this then?

I'm still a fan. So big part of this is now rationalizing and looking for the good, haha.

My assumptions off his stats was that he was a bad defensive guy that would help offensively but may hurt the all around team game.

But some Habs fans seem pretty adamant that's not the case at all which is encouraging.

 

[JustAHabFan]

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

I have a good laugh when I read this. Everyone were saying the Habs won't get a 1st for Monahan. Most of Habs' fan disagreed. Most of us insist that Monahan will return a first. Some more optimistic Habs fan think we get a B prospect together with the 1st. You are one of those poster who couldn't accept the fact that you have been wrong.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I have a good laugh when I read this. Everyone were saying the Habs won't get a 1st for Monahan. Most of Habs' fan disagreed. Most of us insist that Monahan will return a first. Some more optimistic Habs fan think we get a B prospect together with the 1st. You are one of those poster who couldn't accept the fact that you have been wrong.

I actually started believing the idiocy of the main board and lowered my expectations thinking GMs were just as stupid as certain mainboard posters. Turns out i was wrong. GMs clearly don't read these posts. Especially Chevy! lol

 

[Flair Hay]

I've seen so many posters crap on his relatively low even strength points and surmise that he is only a PP specialist. They don't look at the revolving door of below average wingers (due to injuries and rebuild). They just assume he doesn't have skills anymore.

The only fans who actually know what he brings are Habs fans. He's going to do well in Wpg and will likely exceed his 60pt pace if paired with Ehlers / Perfetti and given PP time. Its an obvious outcome.

I sincernly doubt he finishes the season without an injury though.


He will surprise Jets fans and that's unfortunate because there should be no surprise. Also, i don't get the take on him being poor defensively. I don't buy into the fancy stats that people show. I think he's good defensively - just at a disadvantage with the Habs inexperience D unable to clear the zone. On the Jets, he will be above average in his own zone IMO.

On the other hand i think Suzuki doesn't get enough credit for his defensive game and ability to disrupt the other team's offense the way Danault use to (but not to that high level).

Hoping you are right sir. If we are talking a 0.75 pts/gm pace and solid vet all around game then Jets fans are getting exactly what we were hoping for.

He is moving right into the top PP which is step one for that production coming to fruition. Just like Stastny did when he came in.

Ehlers now gets to QB the 2nd unit where he has had a lot of success in the past.

Day 3 - they have reached somewhere between acceptance and optimism!

Frankly, the main boards painted a incorrect picture of Monahan. He will make plays in the O-zone and be competent in the D zone.

The only question is if he will get injured. That's is the primary concern.

Guilty

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Hoping you are right sir. If we are talking a 0.75 pts/gm pace and solid vet all around game then Jets fans are getting exactly what we were hoping for.

He is moving right into the top PP which is step one for that production coming to fruition. Just like Stastny did when he came in.

Ehlers now gets to QB the 2nd unit where he has had a lot of success in the past.



Guilty

I am right. What you should be very very very afraid of is an injury to Sean Monahan. Like very afraid.

Chevy didn't do his due diligence and add a #games played condition on the 1st round pick. Or Hughes had him over a barrel. That's where the overpayment stems from.

 

[Flair Hay]

I am right. What you should be very very very afraid of is an injury to Sean Monahan. Like very afraid.

Chevy didn't do his due diligence and add a #games played condition on the 1st round pick. Or Hughes had him over a barrel. That's where the overpayment stems from.

Fair enough. I know I haven't watched him at all and do like to rely on the fancy stats. Usually there is some truth buried there but if Monahan can just get the job done positionally at C and isn't anything special that's all anyone is asking for from what is basically our 3rd line 5v5

 

[FrankMTL]

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

Who's "they"? You mean a few delusional fans?

Yes, every board has a few of those but most Habs fans said they would be ecstatic with a first round pick. Some even thought we would only a get 2nd.

Can't judge a whole fanbase on a few unreasonable posters (even if they're some of the most vocal).

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Fair enough. I know I haven't watched him at all and do like to rely on the fancy stats. Usually there is some truth buried there but if Monahan can just get the job done positionally at C and isn't anything special that's all anyone is asking for from what is basically our 3rd line 5v5

Fancy stats don't tell the whole story and can't be used for forecasting a players near-term or longterm potential when the environment has changed.

For example, give Monahan top-6 quality wingers and at even strength he will produce at a higher rate than the 3rd line / 4th line quality wingers he had with the Habs. Put Monahan on a team that has a strong D-corps and his defensive stats will improve dramatically.

Ironically, fancy stats don't show how injury prone he is or how adverse to contact he is. Those are the key knocks.

 

[Rob Sense]

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

Who is THEY? If you can bring up more than one fan i would be surprised and apologize. Many fans thought it would be a late first or perhaps a 2nd plus a prospect. What you mention is a fabrication in your own mind to take away the awful taste of cold stewed crow.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Jets needed a center. Wonder why he is worth a first though. Unless he returns to his form 5 years ago this isn't good.

Which better center would you have preferred for a late first? Not even considering Monahan's ridiculously low cap hit.

 

[winnipegger]

Which better center would you have preferred for a late first? Not even considering Monahan's ridiculously low cap hit.

Would have preferred none if it meant keeping the first. Jets are a top 5 team pre trade....

 

[ole ole]

They were expecting a 1st PLUS an A prospect, or A+ prospect. Some said McGroarty, so I am still laughing.

WRONG AGAIN. They were expecting a 1st with no retention and they got exactly what they were expecting....and Monahan was easily worth it.
Ya we are still laughing at that 3rd we would only get.

 

[ole ole]

Would have preferred none if it meant keeping the first. Jets are a top 5 team pre trade....

Monahan was easily worth a late 1st. Not saying you will win the cup with him but you won't be disappointed with the player you got.