Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[LesCanadiens]

The Habs have the 4th worst PK in the league. You don't have a point lol. Is Mike Matheson also a masterclass defensive defenseman because he's out there as a regular on the PK? Or are you going to actually look into the context that we have the greenest defense core in the league so he has to play the PK when he shouldn't.

Well, sure, it's Monahans fault we have the 4th worst PK, right? Ridiculous statement IMO. We have the very worst 6 dmen in the league as far as quality and experience, BY FAR, I'd say. I'd say the forwards did their job more than good enough as I don't recall all too many of those PPG's against, coming from a poorly covered point shooter. Our coverage down low/net front has been abysmal. And that is not the fault of the forwards. Make that 2 slices of pizza and call it a day.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The Habs have the 4th worst PK in the league. You don't have a point lol. Is Mike Matheson also a masterclass defensive defenseman because he's out there as a regular on the PK? Or are you going to actually look into the context that we have the greenest defense core in the league so he has to play the PK when he shouldn't.


Being good on faceoffs and being very good defensively are two different things

Winning a faceoff, only to have your D corps cough up the biscuit makes it difficult to be an above average defensive player.

 

[The Great Weal]

Well, sure, it's Monahans fault we have the 4th worst PK, right? Make that 2 slices of pizza and call it a day.

Yes that's exactly what I said.

Also weird that you left out my comment about Matheson. Have a whole box of pizza and call it a day.

 

[sr edler]

Is Monahan even that good. I've heard for such a long time now he's trash/washed up. Now all of a sudden a supposed contender is trading for him, why is that.

 

[The Great Weal]

Winning a faceoff, only to have your D corps cough up the biscuit makes it difficult to be an above average defensive player.

So how does Evans do it?

 

[LesCanadiens]

Yes that's exactly what I said.

Also weird that you left out my comment about Matheson. Have a whole box of pizza and call it a day.

Because the fact Methason (he plays like he's on pipe) is so horrible, as well as Savard and even Guhle this year has been very unreliable, that forces the forwards to run more cover for them. That's why I said you were proving my point. Our choices on D are limited on a PK. But MSL could pick from 12 forwards to play PK, and chooses Monahan as one of them. So that tells me that MSL thinks highly of Money''s defensive play. I don't think you'll get my point. I get yours, I just don't agree with it.

 

[JianYang]

Is Monahan even that good. I've heard for such a long time now he's trash/washed up. Now all of a sudden a supposed contender is trading for him, why is that.

I had the same questions when the Habs traded for him and were given a 1st rounder to take his contract.

To my surprise, he is still good. The question is if he can stay healthy. Last year he had to be shut down again, but he has surprisingly stayed healthy this year so far. You always have to be weary of a guy who has had multiple hip surgeries though (among other ailments).

 

[1909]

Monahan gonna help the Jets a lot until the end of this season. And as a teamate , he is 180 degrees away fom Dubois and Wheeler. Habs players will miss him.

 

[unicornpig]

1st and 3rd, had to believe there were better options out there....

 

[The Great Weal]

But MSL could pick from 12 forwards to play PK, and chooses Monahan as one of them. So that tells me that MSL thinks highly of Money''s defensive play. I don't think you'll get my point. I get yours, I just don't agree with it.

He can't though when it comes to centers on the PK, you're just flat out wrong. He's got to pick from Suzuki who's already playing way more than other forwards, Evans who like I said is 10th in shorthanded ice time in the entire league, Monahan, and a player from Laval. You're ignoring context when it comes to forwards but then use it when it comes to defensemen. You clearly don't get my point.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Is Monahan even that good. I've heard for such a long time now he's trash/washed up. Now all of a sudden a supposed contender is trading for him, why is that.

Like they say, pictures are worth a 1000 words.

1st and 3rd, had to believe there were better options out there....

Looking at my previous post above. Name one.

 

[Gillings]

You don’t but if you’re going to come out here and spew some crap that everyone know is not true you better have something to back it up.

The do your own research line is not only lazy but show your lack of knowledge on the situation


Which team are you referring to? Because if its Winnipeg then you’re just gaslighting for no reason as they were able to resign players like Helly, Scheifele, Ehlers and Connors to name a few.

No, it shows my laziness. It does not show my lack of knowledge.

Thanks for trying to get me to be not lazy; I appreciate it.

 

[unicornpig]

Like they say, pictures are worth a 1000 words.

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Looking at my previous post above. Name one.

what happens when you extrapolate 5 years haha.

 

[LesCanadiens]

what happens when you extrapolate 5 years haha.

Name one? Thought there was not only a single better option, but better options. You can't, dude. Because there aren't any. Especially if you pile on with the cheap, expiring contract part. In contrast to what the Canucks paid for Lindholm, this may be arguably a steal for the Jets. Don't know if you're a Jets fan, but if you are, you're lucky. He's an excellent player. And his performance pre-two hip surgeries isn't a true indicator. The guy was playing with severe pain and very limited mobility. The hips are totally fixed now, and he's playing to his potential.

 

[wpgallday1960]

He is worth what the market bears. The jets were not the only team looking at him, and it becomes a supply and demand question.

Besides, I think we need to put into perspective what a 30ish pick in the draft typically ends up becoming. Sure, the Habs may get something nice, but at the end of the day, it's more likely a player drafted in that range does not make it, or is a dime a dozen player in the NHL.

I didn’t like paying a 1st for him but thats the going price and the Jets lack of depth at centre necessitatEd that payment. Jets have a high second assuages that payment somewhat.

 

[Gaud]

Good. Maybe they tank harder into a better lottery pick position. This season was over when Dach was injured.

I get your point and it’s valid… i just prefer to keep nurturing a winning mentality no matter the circumstances. I think it’s as much a factor as talent . Interesting thought about dach though. Would his presence have been enough to push the habs in the playoffs this year?

 

[JianYang]

I didn’t like paying a 1st for him but thats the going price and the Jets lack of depth at centre necessitatEd that payment. Jets have a high second assuages that payment somewhat.

The way I see it, it is unlikely that the pick ends up being a better player than Monahan, and even if he does, then it could still be worth it depending on how the jets fare in this postseason (both on ice and financially).

From montreal's point of view, they get some value for a guy that likely didn't want to be part of a rebuild long term. I've always assumed that the Habs and Monahan had a handshake agreement that they will move him to a contender if the opportunity presented itself, and that montreal was his platform to re-build his value again.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

It would be cool if after all the injury history, Monahan ends up playing 84 regular season games this year

 

[Miller Time]

The way I see it, it is unlikely that the pick ends up being a better player than Monahan, and even if he does, then it could still be worth it depending on how the jets fare in this postseason (both on ice and financially).

From montreal's point of view, they get some value for a guy that likely didn't want to be part of a rebuild long term. I've always assumed that the Habs and Monahan had a handshake agreement that they will move him to a contender if the opportunity presented itself, and that montreal was his platform to re-build his value again.

It's very low odds that the 1st becomes a better player than Monahan... That's evident.

However draft picks, and if used well, players on ELC contracts & with waiver eligibility have value as assets. Value that can often supercede the eventual on ice impact of the player drafted.

Jets got the immediate value, Habs got the residual value. Imo the scales are pretty balanced now. Hindsight may tilt them either way, and back & forth, over time. Both fan bases can & I think should feel pretty good about the deal as it stands at the time it was made.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Did i say Winnipeg?

You did with the wink yes. And you’re still gaslighting.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You did with the wink yes. And you’re still gaslighting.

I did not say Winnipeg, thank you very much. Winnipeg is such a lovely city with lovely people. A wonderful place to play hockey.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

1st and 3rd, had to believe there were better options out there....

The 3rd is for 2027 and only if the Jets win the Cup this year. To say its a 1st and a 3rd is a massive stretch.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

The 3rd is for 2027 and only if the Jets win the Cup this year. To say its a 1st and a 3rd is a massive stretch.

Its a 1st and conditional 3rd!

 

[Frank Drebin]

The first round pick that was acquired in the Paul gaustad trade was used to select HF legend Mark Jankowski

 

[RR44]

this is another great point and important context that many failed to consider... there's still a lot of hockey left. Monahan is playing at a level where he will ease the pressure on the top jets forwards on many nights, and give Bowness a lot more flexibility in his ice time allocations.

Extra rest heading into the playoffs for your top guys so that they can better handle the massive minutes you need from them through a long playoff stretch is a net value that won't show up on any stat sheet.

It also shows the guys in the locker room that the Jets are serious about giving them the support to go out and win. that stuff matters inside a room and inside a players head.

Chevy did very well here.

Agreed re: Cheveldayoff did very well here. Most on here seem to forgotten some of the other recent deals/moves Cheveldayoff has made which has worked out:

-bought out a player who served the franchise well but past his best days and perhaps a distraction in the room...his reaction to Bowness' honesty after the L.V. playoff loss was telling

-brought in depth forwards who are solid pros with high give a shit meters in Niedereider and Namesnikov

-signed their two cornerstone players to long term, cap friendly deals signalling intent there was no blowup to rebuild

-turned a player who didn't want to resign and seems to dislike hockey at times into 3 forwards increasing their depth and from all accounts are solid pros

-moving out Wheeler and PLD puts more onus and responsibilities for Ehlers and Perfetti, they've responded very well

Most important... Cheveldayoff listened to his coach after the playoffs and got to work and fixed it. Guaranteed no one wants to face Winnipeg in the playoffs...this is a rugged team who has forward depth, a solid defence with a genuine minute munching #1 in Morrisey and a goalie who on most nights will only need you to score 3-4 goals to win.