Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[Junohockeyfan]

You don’t but if you’re going to come out here and spew some crap that everyone know is not true you better have something to back it up.

The do your own research line is not only lazy but show your lack of knowledge on the situation


Which team are you referring to? Because if its Winnipeg then you’re just gaslighting for no reason as they were able to resign players like Helly, Scheifele, Ehlers and Connors to name a few.

Did i say Winnipeg?

 

[The Great Weal]

He's been very good defensively. Maybe his role changed with us vs CGY, but he was usually PK1 and 5v5 could usually be found as deepest forward down low in our end. And his elite IQ made him good at blocking passing lanes over 200ft. Add to all that, he's awesome in the dot. You won't be disappointed.

He's not very good defensively, far from it. He's not someone you are going to play to protect a lead in the final few minutes of a game. That being said he's not a liability, he's just below average.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Brilliant series of moves by the Canadiens. As a Sens' fan, it's very annoying, but I have to give them their props.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Did i say Winnipeg?

Which team were you referring to if not Winnipeg?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Which team were you referring to if not Winnipeg?

I was referring to any team that has those challenges. And of course there are many. Not singling any team out as that would be mean.

 

[BLNY]

This place really needs to change it's name to "keyboardwarriors.com" lol

 

[Lshap]

Discuss the trade, not the cities and not the futures of the teams beyond this season.

Posts have been deleted. Posting privileges are next.

 

[LesCanadiens]

He's not very good defensively, far from it. He's not someone you are going to play to protect a lead in the final few minutes of a game. That being said he's not a liability, he's just below average.

Well, we're using subjective words here. I think he was solid defensively. Not below average, IMO. He was used in many key defensive situations by MSL for a reason. Especially after Dvorak went down. Sure, Dvorak is more defense-oriented, but I watched the games, Money held his own in that regard. And if you count his defensive-zone faceoff prowess, then I'd say he's been above average. But of course, he's no Bergeron or Daneault etc. So, I guess we agree, sorta

 

[The Great Weal]

Well, we're using subjective words here. I think he was solid defensively. Not below average, IMO. He was used in many key defensive situations by MSL for a reason. Especially after Dvorak went down. Sure, Dvorak is more defense-oriented, but I watched the games, Money held his own in that regard. And if you count his defensive-zone faceoff prowess, then I'd say he's been above average. But of course, he's no Bergeron or Daneault etc. So, I guess we agree, sorta

He's definitely been below average. I've watched nearly every game so far of the Habs this season (unfortunately) and MSL has nobody else to play since Evans can't play the whole 2 minutes every time and Suzuki is already playing too much everywhere else. Evans is 10th in the whole league for shorthanded ice time and that's including defensemen. It's like why Matheson has to play in key defensive situations at times too, that doesn't make him solid defensively.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

He's definitely been below average. I've watched nearly every game so far of the Habs this season (unfortunately) and MSL has nobody else to play since Evans can't play the whole 2 minutes every time and Suzuki is already playing too much everywhere else. Evans is 10th in the whole league for shorthanded ice time and that's including defensemen. It's like why Matheson has to play in key defensive situations at times too, that doesn't make him solid defensively.

He's never been a below average defensive C. His numbers took a hit with the Habs due to the inexperience of the defense. The only thing to read into is how good Suzuki is as a two-way C.

Dvorak and Evans get exposed due to the D-corps.

 

[LesCanadiens]

He's definitely been below average. I've watched nearly every game so far of the Habs this season (unfortunately) and MSL has nobody else to play since Evans can't play the whole 2 minutes every time and Suzuki is already playing too much everywhere else. Evans is 10th in the whole league for shorthanded ice time and that's including defensemen. It's like why Matheson has to play in key defensive situations at times too, that doesn't make him solid defensively.

You're proving my point. Vets like him have extra pressure on them defensively to prop-up and cover for what I believe to be one of the worst set of 6 defenseman ever for the Habs and certainly for the league this year. I don't ever remember Monahan standing out as bad defensively. So I guess, I strongly agree to disagree with your view.

 

[bbfan419]

The Jets are crazy, he was worth a 2nd at most.

 

[The Great Weal]

You're proving my point. Vets like him have extra pressure on them defensively to prop-up and cover for what I believe to be one of the worst set of 6 defenseman ever for the Habs and certainly for the league this year. I don't ever remember Monahan standing out as bad defensively. So I guess, I strongly agree to disagree with your view.

You called him very good defensively which is just flat out wrong

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You called him very good defensively which is just flat out wrong

You called him below-average defensively, which is also flat wrong.

 

[The Great Weal]

You called him below-average defensively, which is also flat wrong.

He is below average defensively. In addition to watching nearly every game this season, the stats also prove my point

 

[LesCanadiens]

You called him very good defensively which is just flat out wrong

It's not "flat out" wrong. I thought he was very good defensively and stated my reasons for why. That's called an opinion. The only thing here that is "flat out wrong", is that you think your "opinion" is a fact.

 

[The Great Weal]

It's not "flat out" wrong. I thought he was very good defensively and stated my reasons for why. That's called an opinion. The only thing here that is "flat out wrong", is that you think your "opinion" is a fact.

If he was very good defensively he'd be playing on the PK way more and not let poor Jake Evans essentially play the whole PK by himself.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

He is below average defensively. In addition to watching nearly every game this season, the stats also prove my point

The stats prove that the entire Canadiens roster are below average defensively.

I have watched every game too. The only issue with Monahan defensively is that he gets gassed pretty quickly and ends up laboring around in his own end. A better D-corps would transition the puck quicker to minimize the chasing.

 

[CaptainUgly]

This place really needs to change it's name to "keyboardwarriors.com" lol

100% lots of individuals didn’t get love and attention from mommy and daddy growing up in here lol

 

[The Great Weal]

The stats prove that the entire Canadiens roster are below average defensively.

I have watched every game too. The only issue with Monahan defensively is that he gets gassed pretty quickly and ends up laboring around in his own end. A better D-corps would transition the puck quicker to minimize the chasing.

With Monahan being way worse than the rest (which is exaggerated but true).

Every time he's out there when we want to protect a lead you've got tons of posters rightfully questioning why he's out in this situation. Not to mention that Marty had to move him to wing for a period to play Evans instead.

 

[LesCanadiens]

If he was very good defensively he'd be playing on the PK way more and not let poor Jake Evans essentially play the whole PK by himself.

Again, thanks for proving my point. The coach used him on the PK on the regular. So I assume that in his opinion, Monahan was very good defensively. Circular argument. Have a slice of pepperoni and cheese, and call it a day.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

With Monahan being way worse than the rest (which is exaggerated but true).

Every time he's out there when we want to protect a lead you've got tons of posters rightfully questioning why he's out in this situation.

He's out there because he can win a faceoff.

 

[JianYang]

Yeesh, the more I read this.....

This thread does not reflect well on either fanbase.

 

[The Great Weal]

Again, thanks for proving my point. The coach used him on the PK on the regular. So I assume that in his opinion, Monahan was very good defensively. Circular argument. Have a slice of pepperoni and cheese, and call it a day.

The Habs have the 4th worst PK in the league. You don't have a point lol. Is Mike Matheson also a masterclass defensive defenseman because he's out there as a regular on the PK? Or are you going to actually look into the context that we have the greenest defense core in the league so he has to play the PK when he shouldn't.

He's out there because he can win a faceoff.

Being good on faceoffs and being very good defensively are two different things

 

[JianYang]

The Jets are crazy, he was worth a 2nd at most.

He is worth what the market bears. The jets were not the only team looking at him, and it becomes a supply and demand question.

Besides, I think we need to put into perspective what a 30ish pick in the draft typically ends up becoming. Sure, the Habs may get something nice, but at the end of the day, it's more likely a player drafted in that range does not make it, or is a dime a dozen player in the NHL.