Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[tbcwpg]

You seemed to have read to many bogus posts from ignorant wannabes experts on here. This notion he sucks on D is simply not true. CReated by HF posters to attempt to lower his value when Hab fans were saying he is worth at least a 1st.
This seems to be a common thread about any Habs player on the trade block.

It's not just HF posters that say he has defensive issues.

 

[JackZap]

It's not just HF posters that say he has defensive issues.

To be fair he played two years for one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Unless the Jets free fall like the Kings, they won’t be missing the playoffs.

Kings free fall is over. McLellan is gone.

Unless the Jets free fall like the Kings, they won’t be missing the playoffs.

Kings free fall is over. McLellan is gone.

 

[Miller Time]

It's not just HF posters that say he has defensive issues.

"Reputation as a shutdown precense"

Lol wut?

Even his most ardent fans wouldn't call him a "shutdown precense " lol. Where do these people come up with this stuff.

That silly and clearly misguided comment aside, I think you skeptical Jets fans will be pleasantly surprised at how quickly and how well he adapts to your team approach... Lost in analytics stats like this are the team/coaching context. Habs under MSL are taking a very long term, young player development approach to everything they do. As many Habs fans lament, they approach often appears to lack structure and is a far cry from the tight defensive responsibilities a coach like Bowness demands... Opens the door to a lot of mistakes and far more goals against than the more rigid structures teams focused on winning now typically deploy.

Give it 10-15 games, then decide for yourself how well he's able to contribute at both ends.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's not just HF posters that say he has defensive issues.

His linemates for the most part were trash.

 

[Andy]

For Jets fans wondering what they are getting:

He's a smart player. Deceptively skilled. He's a hardworker and has really soft hands around the goal and behind the goal line.

He's good at protecting the puck and winning board battles. He's not fast, but I've never found his skating to be an issue/prevent him from being involved in the play. He has a lot of patience with the puck and knows how to slow down the play to his benefit.

He can slot anywhere in the lineup and is great in the bumper position on the PP.

I would take him back.

Here's other folks on our board:

He doesn't have a lot of speed, but he has a lot of smarts. Makes great short area passes and can score in and around the net. A cromulent player in the bumper spot on the powerplay.

He can play great defensive minutes as well by his positioning and ability to stick check.

Great on face offs
Great on the PP
can also PK
Has size to not get pushed around

You know what? Give him back actually

Lol but for real , he may be a tad on the slower side, but in the playoffs he will be invaluable

Just make sure you lose in round 1 (sorry )

You’re getting a great addition. Everything has been said by my fellow mates. Very high IQ player who was basically holding together any semblance of a second line Habs had. We’re in for an even more painful last 1/3 of season as teams will just tee off on Suzuki, caufield and slafkovsky. He’ll be very helpful to the jets

I refrained from commenting on this board about Monahan because the comments/assessment from fans around the league this whole Monahan saga was just wrong. Like, stupidly wrong.

He's a great player. A great teammate. I loved his time on the habs. He was such a pleasure to watch, especially since he had to carry plugs as wingers for like 90% of the games he played with the habs. I'm not joking, his linemates sucked most of the time.

 

[Tanknation]

It's not just HF posters that say he has defensive issues.

That is a far cry from the "he sucks on D" the experts claim on here. So that proves my point more so if anything.

 

[JUSTGIROUXIT]

I must admit I was wrong in anticipating Monahan's return. No way did I see him returning a 1st, regardless of the market.

When the trade broke, I figured it would involve MTL's 2nd rounder, acquired by WPG in the Dubois trade - which, in my estimation, would have been a fair return. Depending on how things play out, the picks might end up within a 10-slot range, which makes this deal seem a bit more reasonable from Winnipeg. At least it makes me feel a bit better about being firm on a 2nd round pick, haha.

Regardless, credit is due to Montreal for converting Monahan into two first-round picks - an accomplishment worth acknowledging. Quite impressive.

 

[Atoyot]

That is a far cry from the "he sucks on D" the experts claim on here. So that proves my point more so if anything.

Not to say anything about analytics, but that graph suggests he has been one of the worst players in the league this season defensively.

 

[Rubi]

Those that are saying Monahan is good defensively... well I just don't believe it. I watched him play 650 games for the Flames and defensively he was mediocre at best. Now to say in the last 74 games playing for the Habs he's done a 180..
well that's difficult to believe. Monahan has a few good qualities but being a good two way player isn't one of them.

 

[Andy]

Those that are saying Monahan is good defensively... well I just don't believe it. I watched him play 650 games for the Flames and defensively he was mediocre at best. Now to say in the last 74 games playing for the Habs he's done a 180..
well that's difficult to believe. Monahan has a few good qualities but being a good two way player isn't one of them.

At no point during the habs tenure did I watch Monahan and ever say, wow this guy sucks defensively. Not once did I ever watch his play and think he was holding the team back.

 

[MoneyManny]

Hughes is such a cutthroat, GM's must of hated him as an agent. Love his style.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Not sure why people are so surprised. He's a scoring center on the right side of 30 who is having a good year that makes less than 2 million per. Definitely the 2nd best UFA C on the market.

Monahan is a great slot finisher and quite a good off the cycle and PP playmaker. He's not fast or good defensively, but the Jets have Lowry to take the hard matchups and Scheifele will probably be the one to draw the other team's shutdown line. It's likely he'll be matched up against opponent's 3rd line and that's a position he can thrive in.

You can look at the xGF% charts and bitch about his HDCA or whatever but the guy scores goals. Ultimately goals win hockey games. The Jets just added goals to their NHL roster without subtracting anything. I think it's a move that could work out real well for them and it was some great asset management from Hughes to get two 1sts out of Monahan.

 

[Bishop7979]

Jets jump in early, over pay, and screw the prices up for any other gm looking to make a reasonable deal closer to the deadline...

Watch him get hurt again I'm like two weeks and be out long term

 

[calder candidate]

Jets are not missing the playoff but unless they win the division it will be a pretty big 1round match up (COL/DAL)… So even if a late first isn’t a very big deal with a first round exist and a few upset it could end up being a pretty good pick. If there were multiple offers that is likely why the jets won.

 

[Rubi]

At no point during the habs tenure did I watch Monahan and ever say, wow this guy sucks defensively. Not once did I ever watch his play and think he was holding the team back.

He doesn't suck. He's just mediocre which is a far cry from those touting his defensive abilities. His offense has usually made up for his so so defense.

 

[MoneyManny]

We paid a first round pick just 18 months ago to dump his player too.

Brad Tre can go f*** himself. Anyways, he's a decent 2nd line fwd. Not a player who will carry the puck a lot, but good in the dot and will provide timely goal scoring.

Man it's been so rough for the Flames. I hope you guys get a miracle rebuild done in no time.

 

[Andy]

He doesn't suck. He's just mediocre which is a far cry from those touting his defensive abilities. His offense has usually made up for his so so defense.

The Jets will be fine if they throw Monahan in the defensive zone. There should be no concern for any coach to use him that capacity.

 

[NoelVilla]

Montreal with good asset management. How we have missed that with all years of BargainBin.

 

[FrankMTL]

Today I learned from habs haters that a late first isn't a first round pick , the more you know

lol...exactly, it's just a high 2nd.

 

[Habssince89]

The thing about Monahan is that he's not necessarily a shutdown defender, its just that he almost always makes the smart play and retains possession really well. He reads the game at a high level (which is why his skating can be less than great) and he wins pucks back. So I think its just that having possession means you're not getting scored on. Monahan also wins faceoffs, which means possession as well. So in the context of the Jets adding him, he's an excellent player to have because you know when you put him out there he can play against anyone, and he likely won't hurt you in a small role because he does so well at controlling the play. Maybe he won't score at a crazy pace, but he lets you roll 4 lines with confidence.

 

[Hunter368]

He doesn't suck. He's just mediocre which is a far cry from those touting his defensive abilities. His offense has usually made up for his so so defense.

Jets are one of the best defensive teams in the NHL, so while no one will mistake Monahan as a defensive player, he should be fine. My big worry is his health, physical play in the playoffs.

 

[Bond]

To be fair he played two years for one of the worst teams in the league.

He had those issues when he was on the top line for the Flames. It is why he was never a true #1 C when he was putting up great counting stats

 

[fahad203]

Not really an overpayment considering where the jets are and what they need. They need depth scoring. He provides that

Good on the Habs to get good value

 

[pth2]

Montreal with good asset management. How we have missed that with all years of BargainBin.

Meh. Selling is fairly easy, and Bergevin made some astute moves to exploit the salary cap as well (think of getting Armia for free). The issue with Bergevin was having a coherent direction and a management group, rather than a 1-man show. (Bergevin had other faults - trying to win deals too much rather than building a winning team and organisation, and giving big money to his favorites but losing other players by being cheap)