Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[Favster]

Slow, brittle and poor defensively?

The pace they play at will suit his style more. I don't think a team like Colorado would've been a good fit.

 

[le_sean]

Henrique was 12 years ago, the player's history you brought up

That’s exactly my point. He’s been a good player on bad teams. Monahan has been a good player on good teams. Monahan has an actual track record of not just going to the playoffs, but not folding in the playoffs. Henrique is up in the air, you don’t know what you’re getting when the games get tougher. GMs will 100% consider that and to deny it is lying.

 

[Michoulicious]

If they have the picks why wait until the draft?

Because that is what Hughes does.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Brad Treliving is terrible!

 

[DeletedUser539]

Winnipeg will be very happy with him if he’s healthy. He’s still a good player.

That's his main problem if he ends up hurt but is able to come back for the playoffs it won't look good because he has a hard time it seems getting back to plying speed

 

[Hunter368]

I think it's a 2027 3d, likely chosen specifically to make it unlikely to be needed in a trade before the Cup finals, anyways, so it's technically tied up, but this has little material impact.

Agreed, the odds of any team winning the cup each year is tiny, even the favorites each year is poor. A conditional 3rd pick multi years in the future is FAR from a worry, far from handcuffing the Jets. But yes technically its tied up this season.

 

[thefutures]

This make treliving look the worst

Brad Treliving is terrible!

This is my main take away as well

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

That’s exactly my point. He’s been a good player on bad teams. Monahan has been a good player on good teams. Monahan has an actual track record of not folding in the playoffs. Henrique is up in the air, you don’t know what you’re getting when the games get tougher. GMs will 100% consider that and to deny it is lying.

Your inability to distinguish between the two is what is disagreeable.

You have now, twice, insinuated the GM would take Monahan over the 'underperforming' Henrique in the playoffs; this is not the case considering any playoff success 5-6+ years ago is no longer a valid or sensible point of entry into discussions.

Monahan's recent playoff success is fine to bring up - without mentioning Henrique. Therefore, a GM can just as sensibly choose Henrique as a better roster fit with no proven inability to perform in the playoffs; the same way they may favor Monahan's recent playoff performances over roster fit

This is all brought up without mentioning once that Henrique's one goal to send the Devils to the Finals over the Rangers is a bigger accomplishment than any Monahan has; which, again, does not matter to a GM but is funny to mention considering the brought-up past of Adam

 

[Junohockeyfan]

A 3rd pick isn't getting any significant piece, plus lots of other assets to trade, Jets need to add quality pieces not 4th line player. I'm not buying or selling, for me its a moot point bc I agree they aren't likely to win the cup, but a 3rd conditional pick isn't handcuffing them from winning the cup.

That 3rd round pick was what Jets fans felt Monahan's value was (with Logan crap-a-dap Stanley as the add).

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Once again HF shows how “smart” they are when it comes to the value of Habs players.

Don’t confuse value and how much the Jets paid for him.

 

[larmex99]

Good comparison:

 

[BLNY]

The CGY 1st though is not really a 1st unless both CGY and FLA are likely to fall into the bottom 10

Yah. I went back and read the ridiculous conditions.

"
2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]*

*Conditions: 1. If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead. Result: TBD

Scenario: In the event CGY receives FLA’s 2025 1st round pick:
1. If both CGY AND FLA’s picks are NOT top 10, MTL will receive the better of the CGY and FLA 2025 1st round picks. Result: TBD

2. If CGY’s pick is top 10, AND FLA’s pick is NOT top 10, MTL receives FLA’s pick. Result: TBD


Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick:

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10
1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and
2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick.
Result: TBD

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD
Sum: $6,375,000
Change: +$6,375,000"

There's still a few ways in which it would be a 2025 first, but not 1OA.

 

[sxvnert]

Outrageous overpayment by the jets.

 

[le_sean]

Your inability to distinguish between the two is what is disagreeable.

You have now, twice, insinuated the GM would take Monahan over the 'underperforming' Henrique in the playoffs; this is not the case considering any playoff success 5-6+ years ago is no longer a valid or sensible point of entry into discussions.

Monahan's recent playoff success is fine to bring up - without mentioning Henrique. Therefore, a GM can just as sensibly choose Henrique as a better roster fit with no proven inability to perform in the playoffs; the same way they may favor Monahan's recent playoff performances over roster fit

This is all brought up without mentioning once that Henrique's one goal to send the Devils to the Finals over the Rangers is a bigger accomplishment than any Monahan has; which, again, does not matter to a GM but is funny to mention considering the brought-up past of Adam

lol one f***ing goal. You’re clueless. I guess everyone should be lining up to sign Uwe Krupp or Stephane Matteau for their playoff runs.

“You can’t look at playoffs because it’s so long ago. But you need to remember Henrique scored a big playoff goal 12 years ago.”

 

[AmeriHab]

Happy for both teams. I wanted mtl to trade him last year but his injury woes. Good player when healthy. Just surprised mtl found a good return without using their last retention spot

 

[LesCanadiens]

Yah. I went back and read the ridiculous conditions.

"
2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]*

*Conditions: 1. If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead. Result: TBD

Scenario: In the event CGY receives FLA’s 2025 1st round pick:
1. If both CGY AND FLA’s picks are NOT top 10, MTL will receive the better of the CGY and FLA 2025 1st round picks. Result: TBD

2. If CGY’s pick is top 10, AND FLA’s pick is NOT top 10, MTL receives FLA’s pick. Result: TBD


Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick:

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10
1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and
2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick.
Result: TBD

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD
Sum: $6,375,000
Change: +$6,375,000"

There's still a few ways in which it would be a 2025 first, but not 1OA.

IT CAN be a 10A in 2026. However, the chances of it are extremely slim. But still possible.

 

[Jets92]

so for weeks we hear that Monahan sucks hes nothing more then a PP specialist will never receive a 1st hes only worth a 3rd and after we get one now its "oh its just a late pick in an average draft"

You are taking HF hot takes very seriously. I guess you need something to look forward to, so an extra draft pick seems great considering what your team has done this year. In the grand scheme of things, He might be all those things, but that happens to be exactly what Win needs. I don’t see an issue in paying a late pick in an average draft if it improves weaknesses on your team. Seems like a good price. Again, if Vancouver hadn’t set the price so high, all that stuff would still be accurate. In a normal year, he isn’t worth that. But, it is what it is, jets still add to their team, they make MTL worse and help their second round pick increase in value. I don’t really understand how MTL fans are so excited about it. Monahan has more points than Lindholm this year, yet, Vancouver got a way bigger haul. Lindholm is a better all around player, but the differences in salary and stuff, I would think the haul should have been more.

 

[Kimota]

Man seems like fans from other teams didn't think much of Monahan. lol Personally I thought the Habs would have gotten MORE.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

lol one f***ing goal. You’re clueless. I guess everyone should be lining up to sign Uwe Krupp or Stephane Matteau for their playoff runs.

“You can’t look at playoffs because it’s so long ago. But you need to remember Henrique scored a big playoff goal 12 years ago.”

I would be surprised that, from that entire message, you mistook that point made in obvious jest; but then id be ignoring the context of the rest of the conversation

You're in over your head on this one - best to leave it alone

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Habs have picked 3 players in the first round under Hughes.

One was the guy projected to go first overall, one was projected to be the first dman taken and went roughly where he should have, and the other was a high skill player taken at 26th overall.

All 3 of these of these players were drafted in the past 20 months. How in the F*** can you say Hughes is good or bad at drafting in the first round with that sample?

Yea sure
Slaf reminds me a lot of Virtanen
For Montreal’s sake hope I’m totally wrong

 

[Wisp]

this reeks of desperation of having your main trade target scooped from under you a couple days earlier. Habs hockey ops need to send a thank you basket to the Flames and Canucks front offices ASAP.

I don't like Monahan, his resurgence is powerplay driven and he gives a lot up defensively. when we were discussing trade targets over on the Vancouver board anyone mentioning 'Getting Monahan for cheaper' talk made me queasy.

that said, i'm unfamiliar with the Jets PP situation so maybe this is what they need.

 

[BLONG7]

At some point you have to start winning. Winning isn't an endless cycle of acquiring draft picks. We locked up guys who had a chance to runaway, because we win.

All I am saying is you have to take those assets and turn them into players soon. Or you end up in no man's land for years and years just ask Ottawa or Buffalo how is it going

Rebuild..............started two years ago.
TWO years ago.
What cycle are you talking about?

Picks for players, like Dach and Newhook? Is that what you want him to do?

 

[le_sean]

I would be shocked that, from that entire message, you mistook that point made in obvious jest; but then id be ignoring the context of the rest of the conversation

You're in over your head on this one - best to leave it alone

Okay guy that thinks that Henrique is a missing piece in 2024

 

[Guess]

Not sure if Newhook is close to returning, should be, but the Habs might need a centre.

What do you mean? Tank city here we come!

 

[Joe Hallenback]

win in the regular season because you guys havent done nothing in the playoffs i guess you can be like Toronto and obviously now we're rebuilding after the mess Bergevin did here but new management has been amazing so far so should be back to playoffs in 2/3years

It depends on what your ownership wants. Our ownership wants us to make the playoffs and be competitive and that is what our GM does for us. Right moves or wrong moves that is what they are trying to accomplish.

But good luck with the asset acquiring.