Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

[LesCanadiens]

Getting 2 firsts for Monahan (one for taking him on, the other in moving him) is f***ing wild.

I mean those picks are going to be Bobrov'd but in terms of asset management, can't really do a whole lot better than that.

I don't care (for obvious reasons) how Bobrov performed in NY. He's been excellent for us. And besides, it's a team effort, He's not emperor in Montreal.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

A late 1st in a weak draft is now a ‘shitload’?

According to HFBoards yesterday, any 1st to Montreal was a shitload and complete fleecing. Fastforward to today...

 

[Hunter368]

The conditional 3rd was a dumb add for the Jets. They won't win the cup regardless and they can't trade the 3rd until next year (after their playoff run is over). ergo. They handcuff'd the 3rd round pick and made it untradable this year.

Your point about a 3rd pick is accurate being tied up, but in fairness not sure any 3rd pick would help us getting the pieces we need/want so in that sense not big deal. Lots of other assets to give up to get players.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

It isn’t to a GM.

Between two players that produce equally, do I want one that actually produces in the playoffs or not for my team’s playoff run? Hmm tough one.

No, a GM is not taking into consideration how well two near-equal players did 5-6+ years ago; playoffs or not

 

[Colezuki]

It's already known the team wants to trade picks for ready players now,

I'm sure there is something around WPG 1st, CGY 1st, and a few thirds that could get us something of value

 

[General Fanager]

Age is a moot point considering both are UFA-bound this summer

This is irrelevant to how they are playing this season

curious you dont address the fact that Monahan makes less than half of the cap hit vs Henrique. Before you break out the injury risk, Henrique has not played a full season since 18-19.....

 

[le_sean]

No, a GM is not taking into consideration how well two near-equal players did 5-6+ years ago; playoffs or not

Monahan was 3 years ago, not 12. Yes absolutely they will take it into account. Plus the fact he has a lower cap hit and is younger and bigger.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Monahan was really worth a first? Like what most insiders alluded to and almost every other comparable rental C with his production and role over the last decade? That is truly shocking.

Its almost as if the insiders know the temperature of the market for players better that HFBoards.

Also, I mostly stayed out of the Monahan speculation boards, but my god there were some bad takes on Monahan, especially using stats without context.

I think it's obvious most GM's scroll through HF Boards on a regular basis.

There is no other way some things make sense.

Thank you GM's for taking our expert advice and suggestions.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I love seeing Montreal fans get so excited for a late pick in an average draft class. With them getting rid of one of their few decent offensive guys, it should help their second rounder we have get even better. At least we can use that second rounder to bring in another piece or keep the pick. Vancouver set the price high during a thin centre market, with a couple more centres available, he wouldn’t fetch a first. I don’t mind the trade though. Monahan will play with solid offensive guys in Ehlers and Perfetti, I think he’ll out perform expectations. Chevy has killed it in trades for the most part, I’ll trust his decision for now.

so for weeks we hear that Monahan sucks hes nothing more then a PP specialist will never receive a 1st hes only worth a 3rd and after we get one now its "oh its just a late pick in an average draft"

 

[CauZuki]

I think most have fans were expecting he’d get a first. So the conditional 3rd is just icing on the cake for them

I politely disagree , as a Habs fan , many were looking for a solid prospect and a minor pick or 1st + decent prospect.

1st with 2% chance at a 3rd , is meeting in the middle in terms of expectations on both sides of the spectrum.

That doesn't mean there aren't fans that had more releastic expectations. I'm just describing the sentiment I've seen on Reddit/HF.

 

[LesCanadiens]

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Your point about a 3rd pick is accurate being tied up, but in fairness not sure any 3rd pick would help us getting the pieces we need/want so in that sense not big deal. Lots of other assets to give up to get players.

Your whole premise was that Monahan alone is not enough to win a cup and that the Jets need to make more moves to better position themselves. One would think having the 3rd round pick available to trade would help with that endeavor, no?

Handcuffing that pick was stupid. Chevy should have said NO. Chances of the Jets winning the cup is slim to none. Hughes knows it. Chevy knows it. It was a silly conditional pick add-on.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Mmm with those kind of picks, Hughes already got Dach and Newhook.
I think they are all-in on Zegras at the draft.

Good luck with that god speed les Habitants might as well trade for Gaudreau while your at it.

 

[cc]

Hughes is a magician, holysh**.View attachment 813965

I can see them using the picks as part of a deal to try to get Zegras or Mittlestadt

 

[General Fanager]

It's already known the team wants to trade picks for ready players now,

I'm sure there is something around WPG 1st, CGY 1st, and a few thirds that could get us something of value

I agree

Seems like a Dach type move. Get more picks and deal them for a young forward....

Zegras maybe?

 

[Qward]

Impressive asset management!

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

curious you address the fact that Monahan makes less than half of the cap hit vs Henrique. Before you break out the injury risk, Henrique has not played a full season since 18-19.....

I didnt address it because it was a valid point; though it doesnt change that Henrique is an ever-so-slightly better player this season

As for the capspace, yes, Winnipeg would have been able to also afford Henrique but this would mean less space for callups (~700k vs ~250k)

 

[TheJadePipe]

Jets get C depth, which was desperately needed. SM is good on the dot and PP, also needed. Jets give up a late 1st rounder which will be 5-10 spots better than the Habs 2nd round pick , which we own, in a weaker draft. Big deal! Best thing is the cap hit allows us to make another splash at the TDL if needed .

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Monahan was 3 years ago, not 12. Yes absolutely they will take it into account. Plus the fact he has a lower cap hit and is younger and bigger.

Henrique was 12 years ago, the player's history you brought up

Also age means nothing in this trade for a UFA and bigger means nothing either, since Monahan hits and blocks 1/3rd as much as Henrique

 

[pth2]

Your point about a 3rd pick is accurate being tied up, but in fairness not sure any 3rd pick would help us getting the pieces we need/want so in that sense not big deal. Lots of other assets to give up to get players.

I think it's a 2027 3d, likely chosen specifically to make it unlikely to be needed in a trade before the Cup finals, anyways, so it's technically tied up, but this has little material impact.

 

[nhlfan9191]

It's not a bad deal as Jets were desperate for center depth but feel they could have gotten a better player adding more assets but he is cheap. Hopefully it works out for both teams

Winnipeg will be very happy with him if he’s healthy. He’s still a good player.

 

[General Fanager]

Mmm with those kind of picks, Hughes already got Dach and Newhook.
I think they are all-in on Zegras at the draft.

If they have the picks why wait until the draft?

 

[BLNY]

It's already known the team wants to trade picks for ready players now,

I'm sure there is something around WPG 1st, CGY 1st, and a few thirds that could get us something of value

I'd be hard pressed to part with CGY's 2025 first. It's not lottery protected, and it's conceivable they'll miss the playoffs next year.

 

[Colezuki]

I'd be hard pressed to part with CGY's 2025 first. It's not lottery protected, and it's conceivable they'll miss the playoffs next year.

The CGY 1st though is not really a 1st unless both CGY and FLA are likely to fall into the bottom 10

 

[Hunter368]

Your whole premise was that Monahan alone is not enough to win a cup and that the Jets need to make more moves to better position themselves. One would think having the 3rd round pick available to trade would help with that endeavor, no?

Handcuffing that pick was stupid. Chevy should have said NO. Chances of the Jets winning the cup is slim to none. Hughes knows it. Chevy knows it. It was a silly conditional pick add-on.

A 3rd pick isn't getting any significant piece, plus lots of other assets to trade, Jets need to add quality pieces not 4th line player. I'm not buying or selling, for me its a moot point bc I agree they aren't likely to win the cup, but a 3rd conditional pick isn't handcuffing them from winning the cup.