Value of: Would Any Team Take Huberdeau @ 5.25M Per Season?

[MOGlLNY]

The bonus structure makes the contract effectively buyout proof. If they were to buy him out after 2 more seasons - after this one. (summer 2016) The buy out cap hits are 10.3M,10.3M,7.8M,10.3M, 5.8M and then 5 years of 800K. In 3 of the 5 years you save 200K against his 10.5M cap hit. Plus he has a NMC. The only way out is LTIR.

Retention (doubt anyone touches it) is also problematic if the new team eventually LTIRs him as Cal would not get the benefit of the LTIR and be stuck with the retention anyway. It may be the worse contract in the league.

Woooof yeah when I read it on the site I thought it was an error on CapFriendly

 

[GAGLine]

The NHL needs to get away from fully guaranteed contracts.

I would love this personally. The Cap structure is needed, guaranteed contract are not.

How about both the player and the team have the option of unilaterally terminating the contract at the end of each season?

It should work both ways, right?

If players could guarantee the production they get paid for, maybe it could go both ways.

The NHL can't just change the rules. Everything must be collectively bargained. The NHLPA would never agree to it without massive compensation.

 

[DJJones]

The NHL can't just change the rules. Everything must be collectively bargained. The NHLPA would never agree to it without massive compensation.

That's just because the union massively favors mid tier veterans and throws young kids under the bus constantly.

The players would get paid the same amount either way. They shouldn't need massive compensation, the union just needs younger leaders

 

[AcerComputer]

Huberdeau @ $7.5m ($3m retained) for R. Reeves + Kampf

 

[sting101]

Most teams looking to acquire a player like Huberdeau at half off don’t realistically have 8 year windows. Most teams have a 3-5 year window realistically so once that passes having an overpaid guy around for a rebuild really doesn’t hurt. Plus if he has any game left you can retain 50% more and send him as a rental to a team for only 2.625M and if he LTIRetires no cap hit so no problem.

Ask Canuck fans if having Loui Eriksson around for 4 more years after the Sedins retired if that hurt?

All it takes is to get lucky and draft a couple stars and have few players in the system to exceed expectations and then you have an anchor tied around your neck. And if it was just 4yrs then sure as long as it's not compounded with other bad deals but Hubie has 7 more years and that's an eternity in pro sports

 

[mkatcherin00]

He is invisible in most games you see. So weird.

If you did not know anything about hockey and watched CGY, you would think he is a call up or some 3rd liner

Amazing that such a shitty GM (after he crippled CGY in spectacular fashion) gets a job in Canadas biggest market lol

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Sure they are, the contract isn't going anywhere and the other three lines are solid

Him and Lindholm just do not work and having our highest paid guy and our best center not work just ruins the whole offense.

Like a lesser overall player than Lindholm that likes to carry the puck into the zone might actually improve the team. Huberdeau needs to be on a second line with a center that carries the puck into the zone

Would be sick next to Mack.

 

[Ciao]

The NHL can't just change the rules. Everything must be collectively bargained. The NHLPA would never agree to it without massive compensation.

That's just because the union massively favors mid tier veterans and throws young kids under the bus constantly.

The players would get paid the same amount either way. They shouldn't need massive compensation, the union just needs younger leaders

@GAGLine is bang on. The NHLPA should not and would not agree to end guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed contracts protect marginal players even more than the vets. The vast majority of NHL players don't play as much as four full seasons. Those that do make it through are both very good (the best of the best) and lucky (to avoid injury and have the opportunity to play).

Signing a prospect to a massive non-guaranteed contract means nothing if the player is never able to establish himself in the NHL. At least with guaranteed contracts, those that do hang on for a few years make good money while they are there.

Otherwise, it's a race to the bottom in a very perilous profession,

 

[Nakawick]

Huberdeau would have to be at 8 mil or less to attract any interest.

 

[Breakers]

Friedman laid out how contracts work in regards Signing Bonuses and salaries of a contract.

Revenue from TV deals start paying the organization once the season starts in installments so they structure NHL contracts as such with no or very little SB's

so a good majority of teams simply can't do, or wont do Signing bonuses,
it's too capital intensive when zero revenue is coming in
Huberdeau still has like $55 million in signing bonuses due

even at 50% those SB's limit a good majority of NHL franchises simply because that's how they do business

 

[Haatley]

Every team would.

 

[AmabileCassarole]

He is invisible in most games you see. So weird.

If you did not know anything about hockey and watched CGY, you would think he is a call up or some 3rd liner

Amazing that such a shitty GM (after he crippled CGY in spectacular fashion) gets a job in Canadas biggest market lol

Yet people still wonder why Canada cannot win the Cup. Go figure.

 

[DJJones]

@GAGLine is bang on. The NHLPA should not and would not agree to end guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed contracts protect marginal players even more than the vets. The vast majority of NHL players don't play as much as four full seasons. Those that do make it through are both very good (the best of the best) and lucky (to avoid injury and have the opportunity to play).

Signing a prospect to a massive non-guaranteed contract means nothing if the player is never able to establish himself in the NHL. At least with guaranteed contracts, those that do hang on for a few years make good money while they are there.

Otherwise, it's a race to the bottom in a very perilous profession,

Again, the union protecting marginal players that would be otherwise out of the league shouldn't be their main goal. Drop the pension requirements if they want to protect the tweeners.

The players get the same amount of money regardless. Dropping guaranteed contracts just means less anchors stealing the cash from their teammates

 

[Ciao]

Again, the union protecting marginal players that would be otherwise out of the league shouldn't be their main goal. Drop the pension requirements if they want to protect the tweeners.

The players get the same amount of money regardless. Dropping guaranteed contracts just means less anchors stealing the cash from their teammates

I think athletes who devote their prime educational and career-building years to a violent, injury-prone sport deserve to get paid well if they actually do make it even for a few years. Chances are they won't, and the risk is all on the player.

When the minimum salary was workingman wages players took the summer off and came to camp unfit, using training camp to get into shape. The level of play and fitness was much lower throughout the year, and pro hockey has never been as good as it is now.

Ever since the minimum salary moved up to $450,000+ guaranteed, almost every single player is a year-round pro, coming to camp in top shape and ready to compete. The few that don't have no hope of sticking around.

Knock the bottom out of the pay floor, and that won't happen.

 

[DJJones]

I think athletes who devote their prime educational and career-building years to a violent, injury-prone sport deserve to get paid well if they actually do make it even for a few years. Chances are they won't, and the risk is all on the player.

When the minimum salary was workingman wages players took the summer off and came to camp unfit, using training camp to get into shape. The level of play and fitness was much lower throughout the year, and pro hockey has never been as good as it is now.

Ever since the minimum salary moved up to $450,000+ guaranteed, almost every single player is a year-round pro, coming to camp in top shape and ready to compete. The few that don't have no hope of sticking around.

Knock the bottom out of the pay floor, and that won't happen.

You can still have minimums. That wouldn't effect it

 

[Ciao]

You can still have minimums. That wouldn't effect it

It would actually affect it, because once a contract is terminated the pay is zero.

 

[DJJones]

It would actually affect it, because once a contract is terminated the pay is zero.

You can't just cut a guy mid season. More about you can have summer negotiations

 

[Ciao]

You can't just cut a guy mid season. More about you can have summer negotiations

You can't terminate contracts without eliminating salary.

That's what you're looking for -- non-guaranteed contracts.

We just happen to disagree. I think that would be a bad thing, and you think it would be good.

Fine, no troubles, but it's just not happening anyway.

 

[DJJones]

You can't terminate contracts without eliminating salary.

That's what you're looking for -- non-guaranteed contracts.

We just happen to disagree. I think that would be a bad thing, and you think it would be good.

Fine, no troubles, but it's just not happening anyway.

Yes non guaranteed contracts was what I was talking about.

This whole let's screw ourselves in five years when this player will probably suck for a slim advantage now is stupid. I see no benefit to it for entertaining hockey

Just a meaningless lucky side game that can have huge effects on teams for no benefit besides old guys getting more money

 

[HuGort]

Huberdeau was just the wrong fit in Calgary. For whatever reason. It's like Karlsson in Pittsburgh, he just doesn't seem like the right piece they needed.

I still think he has a few 70 point seasons in him. On the right team. The problem is he's paid like a 100 point player. For way too long on top of that. If Calgary could retain like 3 million? Still more than he's worth but manageable. Then take a semi bad contract back. Like an Armia. Montreal probably take Huberdeau

 

[AintLifeGrand]

Tyson Barrie, cody glass for Huberdeau ($2M retained)

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Why is this thread still a thing. Flames ownership will never let the GM retain a penny on that deal. Can we stop bumping it?

 

[ole ole]

Habs may take whole contract for Gallagher and Price?

Only if the Flames retain 3 mil.

 

[HuGort]

Only if the Flames retain 3 mil.

Not giving nothing up though. Huberdeau still a 60 point player. Makes his salary 4 million next 3 years.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Why is this thread still a thing. Flames ownership will never let the GM retain a penny on that deal. Can we stop bumping it?

Then he will never move unless he does LTIR